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hi all, been a long time since I posted. But still got the bug for a Volvo wagon after all these years, and I'm looking at them again.<p>It's a big bummer that the V70 doesn't come in AWD or with the T6 engine, so I'm looking at the XC70 as a choice for now. I'm worring though that the suspension on it would be too soft.<p>I think I read somewhere that you can get the XC70 with the four c suspension though. Is that true? (the search doesn't help at all, as it doesn't like the word "four"!)<p>If it does, would setting it to Sport or Advanced make it feel more like a wagon/V70, and less like an SUV/crossover?<p>The mushy driving feel is one reason I'm staying away from SUV's and wanted a wagon, so the driving feel is going to be an important decision for me.<p>Thanks for any advice!
 

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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (Amiro)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Amiro</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I think I read somewhere that you can get the XC70 with the four c suspension though. Is that true? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, at least not for the US. I'm sure its available elsewhere. You may want to check the Canadian OSD price sheets (I'm sure they're online somewhere) and check out the vehicle details on those.<p>Your best bet would be a V70R.
 

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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (njb8199)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>njb8199</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>No, at least not for the US. I'm sure its available elsewhere. You may want to check the Canadian OSD price sheets (I'm sure they're online somewhere) and check out the vehicle details on those.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>European XC70s have 4C. Canadian XC70s have 4C as part of the Luxury II package.<p>Yannis
 

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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (GrecianVolvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>European XC70s have 4C. Canadian XC70s have 4C as part of the Luxury II package.<p>Yannis</TD></TR></TABLE><p>More VCNA product planning idiocy! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (GrecianVolvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>European XC70s have 4C. Canadian XC70s have 4C as part of the Luxury II package.<p>Yannis</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sweet! Thanks Yannis. It's not often we get better options up here. Just checked, and the 2009 configurator is up already on the Cdn site. Both 3.2 and the T6 in fact come with Four C as an option, under either the Luxury I or II package.<p>Gotta get down there and see if there's any chance they have one in I can take for a spin. Hoping they'll have a T6 with Four C in stock.<p>Couple more questions for you please:<p>1 - Four C on the XC-70 wouldn't drop the height of the suspension too in Advanced or Sport, would it?<p>2 - How do you think the driving feel would be in terms of would it be more like a wagon or an SUV in Sport or Advanced mode?<p>Depending on how it feels, I might take a 535Xi wagon and an A6 Avant (if they still make them) into consideration as alternatives, or even the Passat 3.6L 4 Motion... It must be AWD.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><i>Modified by Amiro at 8:28 AM 9-8-2008</i><BR><BR>
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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (Amiro)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Amiro</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>1 - Four C on the XC-70 wouldn't drop the height of the suspension too in Advanced or Sport, would it?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, it would not.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2 - How do you think the driving feel would be in terms of would it be more like a wagon or an SUV in Sport or Advanced mode?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have never driven a new XC70 with 4C. But if I judge from the S80, the Sport would make a little bit f a difference in the body roll and handling of the car whereas the Advanced would make a much more pronounced difference especially over a bumpy road.<p>Yannis
 

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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (GrecianVolvo)

Sounds like I have to get out there and see if I can drive one. Thanks for the info. It'll come down to driving feel I'm thinking mainly.<p>I want a wagon and not an SUV or minivan so I can maintain at least <I>some</I> driving feel, must have AWD, and decent cargo space, as we now have a 1 and 3 year old.<p>Ok, so how about some unbiased advice... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> What are the pros and cons of the following 3 I'm considering?<p>I'm considering:<p>* Passat 4 Motion 3.6L<br>* Volvo XC70 T6 - comes with 3 settings for suspension!<br>* Subaru Outback or Forester (know very little about them, and they're at the lower end of my preferences)<p>Out of question are the:<p>* A6 avant - more than I'd like to spend, but I don't mind used, if there is a clean low mileage one I suppose, but they're really hard to find<br>* BMW 535Xi - too expensive<br>* Merc. E whatever wagon - too expensive<br>* Saab 9-5 wagon - don't know anything about Saab's and not sure about their quality<p>There's also a very good chance given how the current Mazda 3 Sport has been so banged up that the wife will do the same to this car, which is one other reason the first 3 above are not being considered. They're too nice and I would just wince every time there's a scratch and a ding... which happens on avg. once a month!<p>Thanks for the tips!<br>
 

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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (GrecianVolvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have never driven a new XC70 with 4C. But if I judge from the S80, the Sport would make a little bit f a difference in the body roll and handling of the car whereas the Advanced would make a much more pronounced difference especially over a bumpy road.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I've driven all the new models on a track, to compare. The XC70 with 4C makes the ride more comfortable, but not sporty. Actully, the XC90 V8 Sport was more fun to drive around the track than the XC70 D5 with 4C in advanced. <p>But, If you compare an XC70 with out 4C and an XC70 with 4C, the one with 4C (in sport and advanced) is the most fun to drive. AND a lot more comfortable. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (T5_awd)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>T5_awd</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I've driven all the new models on a track, to compare. The XC70 with 4C makes the ride more comfortable, but not sporty. Actully, the XC90 V8 Sport was more fun to drive around the track than the XC70 D5 with 4C in advanced. <p>But, If you compare an XC70 with out 4C and an XC70 with 4C, the one with 4C (in sport and advanced) is the most fun to drive. AND a lot more comfortable. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nice to hear from someone who's driven it, and on track too. And how would you say the XC70 would feel compared to a V70 (which I'm guessing drives a lot more like a sedan)? Does it feel more like an SUV ride b/c of its ground clearance or a wagon/sedan?
 

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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (Amiro)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Amiro</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice to hear from someone who's driven it, and on track too. And how would you say the XC70 would feel compared to a V70 (which I'm guessing drives a lot more like a sedan)? Does it feel more like an SUV ride b/c of its ground clearance or a wagon/sedan?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, the V70 feels more lika a sedan, XC70 more like an SUV, but not like the XC90 (sport/r-design not included). XC70 T6 with 4C is a great choice! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (Amiro)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Amiro</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sounds like I have to get out there and see if I can drive one. Thanks for the info. It'll come down to driving feel I'm thinking mainly.<p>I want a wagon and not an SUV or minivan so I can maintain at least <I>some</I> driving feel, must have AWD, and decent cargo space, as we now have a 1 and 3 year old.<p>Ok, so how about some unbiased advice... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> What are the pros and cons of the following 3 I'm considering?<p>I'm considering:<p>* Passat 4 Motion 3.6L<br>* Volvo XC70 T6 - comes with 3 settings for suspension!<br>* Subaru Outback or Forester (know very little about them, and they're at the lower end of my preferences)<p>Out of question are the:<p>* A6 avant - more than I'd like to spend, but I don't mind used, if there is a clean low mileage one I suppose, but they're really hard to find<br>* BMW 535Xi - too expensive<br>* Merc. E whatever wagon - too expensive<br>* Saab 9-5 wagon - don't know anything about Saab's and not sure about their quality</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have pretty much the same needs as you do: Wagon with AWD and enough space to shuttle around a 4 year old with gear, including a tandem bicycle and trailer. I had decided on the V50 T5 AWD, but then VCNA foisted the R-Design upon us, so that's no longer an option.<p>Here's what I can add:<p>- The Subaru Outback is dull, but capable. It's a great car in the winter. Reliability is mostly good, but my 97 Legacy has had some problems with minor oil leaks and rust (both common problems). A redesigned version should be available next summer. Since you're in Canada, you have the option of the Legacy wagon, which sits a bit lower to the ground, weighs slightly less, and has better fuel economy.<p>- The Forester has been redesigned for this year and has gotten good if not stellar reviews. I'm not a fan of SUVs, so it's not an option for me. I've driven the previous version. It was nice...for a SUV. Why not look at the Volvo XC60 in that case?<p>- Why not look at the new Audi A4 Avant? Also, I share your skepticism about Saab's reliability, but the Saab 9-3 should be available with the fourth generation Haldex AWD next year (XWD models). May be worth a test drive in any case. The 9-5 is an ancient design, but I've never driven it.<p>I briefly looked at the VW Tiguan, but the cargo space is almost unusable.<p>JK
 

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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (n64jok)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>n64jok</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Here's what I can add:<p>- The Subaru Outback is dull, but capable. It's a great car in the winter. Reliability is mostly good, but my 97 Legacy has had some problems with minor oil leaks and rust (both common problems). A redesigned version should be available next summer. Since you're in Canada, you have the option of the Legacy wagon, which sits a bit lower to the ground, weighs slightly less, and has better fuel economy.<p>- The Forester has been redesigned for this year and has gotten good if not stellar reviews. I'm not a fan of SUVs, so it's not an option for me. I've driven the previous version. It was nice...for a SUV. Why not look at the Volvo XC60 in that case?<p>- Why not look at the new Audi A4 Avant? Also, I share your skepticism about Saab's reliability, but the Saab 9-3 should be available with the fourth generation Haldex AWD next year (XWD models). May be worth a test drive in any case. The 9-5 is an ancient design, but I've never driven it.<p>I briefly looked at the VW Tiguan, but the cargo space is almost unusable.<p>JK</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks for your comments N64. I just had an Audi A4 sedan for 8 years, and loved it and it would be great to stick with one, but the 09 A4 Avant (which looks great BTW) seems to have quite a bit less cargo space. I don't know, maybe their specs are wrong, but they list it as having only 17 cu. ft. compared to 33 for the XC70 and most other wagons. I hope they're both with rear seats up.<p>I've not seen it yet in person, and it's about 5 inches longer than the 08 model, but the specs still show it to be about half a foot shorter in length compared to most of these wagons (which are about 190 inches), so I think that might be why it's got less space. Nonetheless, I should see it in person. It's so hard to get consistent specs from the various websites... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Subarus were lowest on the list in fact b/c they just don't look exciting, you're right. And with everything nowadays being almost 300 HP and lots of torque, it's tempting to pass up those big motors, and the Subaru's aren't quite up there.<p>The Passat seems to have good specs, a nice engine, and a sport suspension too, so I'll have to check it out, but it seems a bit boring in the looks dept.
 

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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (Amiro)

Don't count on me to support anything from VAG.<p>However; what about a CPO 535xi? You say they're expensive; but what about buying one here in the States and importing it to Canada?
 

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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (njb8199)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>njb8199</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't count on me to support anything from VAG.<p>However; what about a CPO 535xi? You say they're expensive; but what about buying one here in the States and importing it to Canada? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL! Bad experience with VW or Audi?<p>I hadn't considered it, but that's a good point. It's a really rare car though as it's just 2007 and 2008 years at the moment. I just did a search in all of ebay motors and one came up. It'd be a lot easier to pick one up from a border city close to me and be able to see it, but if it's a really good deal, maybe there's a way to get my broker here to do a thorough check on it and buy it sight unseen. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>
 

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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (njb8199)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>njb8199</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't count on me to support anything from VAG.<p>However; what about a CPO 535xi? You say they're expensive; but what about buying one here in the States and importing it to Canada? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>They're expensive here too. <p>About 5-6 months ago, I looked at a CPO 530 (not 535) xi wagon with most of the toys. I found it:<p>1) To be slow compared to the R. <br>2) To have less leg room in the rear!<br>3) To have less cargo room. <p>Oh, and the price? $41,999 with 35,000 miles. <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (Needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>530 (not 535) </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Makes a BIG difference.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I found it:<p>1) To be slow compared to the R. <br>2) To have less leg room in the rear!<br>3) To have less cargo room. <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not surprised at all. My local BMW dealer (VOB BMW) has a leftover <B>BRAND NEW </B> silver/black '07 530xit with sport, premium, navi, etc. Its been a lot rock while the 535xit's have been flying off the lots........ wonder why? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>
 

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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (njb8199)

I agree completely. I tried a 530 XiT demo and it was a sluuuug. It was $23k more than the R too. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> Now a price cut and a 535 would be a different story.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (ktm_525)

The Subaru is a lot smaller than the XC70. <p>Having driven both the XC70 and the V70 (both with standard suspensions), honestly I don't find the ride considerably different. I would not label the XC ride as more SUV-like than sedan-like. The 4C (on my S80) is great. If it translates to the XC70/V70 the same way, you're bound to like it. On the highway I keep it in Comfort mode. When the road gets small and twisty I go for Sport. And when I'm in a hurry on that twisty I go for Advanced. What is very interesting is that even on smooth blacktop highway if you go from Advanced to Comfort the car just gets smoother, quieter, and more serene. Like someone turned off the vibration machine.
 

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Re: Can you get four C suspension on the 09 XC70 T6? (Freeworld)

I would have ordered 4C if it was a bit cheaper...<p>Over here in Australia, it is a standalone option but AU$3950 extra on a car that starts at AU$58,950 so not great value...<p>
 
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