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First of all... Hello everyone... First time to this message board.<p>Ok, here is the deal. My Explorer is due to be turned in August 6th. I was Looking at Sport Wagon's, New Explorer's, Envoy's, Volvo's and just about anything that would be just as roomy as my Explorer but w/ better gas millage. Unfortunately, leases on practical fuel efficient cars really started to look very very unattractive. I'm suppose to pickup an Envoy tomorrow for $306 for 24 month lease. Just as nice as my explorer however I really don't want an SUV.<p>Today, I Talked to my Volvo Saleslady today and She can get me a GREAT DEAL on a V50 for $325/month for 3 years. Brilliant Blue, Black T-Tec seats, i5 Engine and Weather Package. <p>We have a 15 month old child and we are looking for something slightly bigger seeing my wife drives a Jetta. First off, we wanted a V70 but the payments were just too high. Second of all, I haven't driven a V50 yet but the S60 seemed a little cramped in the back seat. Thirst of all, with a baby seat will two smaller woman be able to sit back there somewhat comfortable? Also, my wife is about 5' 1" and she didn't really like the headrest on the seat. Is this adjustable? Is there a way for her to be comfortable in these seats?<p>This is more of what I want. However, I'm a little concerned w/ size. I also need to make a quick decision if I want this. Another concern is that even though I lease though ford motor credit which is the same as Volvo Credit. However, they are saying that I will need a security deposit. Another concern, is that they are giving me so many rebates I have about $450 in taxes...<p>Does anyone have photos of their brilliant blue v50?<p>I'm very close to canceling my deal on my Envoy. I just really don't want another gas hog but I need some room. Like I said, is the V50 roomy enough? Would the V50 be a better replacement for my wife's jetta next year? Other options is for me to order a Ford Edge or Wait for a good deal on a Pacifica, Freestyle or possible a Minivan and just extend my lease.<p>Oh, and no AUX input huh?<p>How fast is the inline 5 cylinder without the turbo?<p>Thanks for the input... I defiantly need some quick feedback.<p>Bill
 

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Re: Can Get a Great Deal on a V50... However, might get a GMC Envoy... (audiomidiman)

You can't adjust the headrests.<p>Aux input is coming for 2007 models- so if you could raise some stink, maybe you can lower the payment.<p>But I don't think the V50 is right for you- I think it's too small from what it sounds like. You've seen the car already and if you're doubting the size then it's probably not right for you. And the Envoy doesn't sound like it's for you since you don't want a SUV. <p>Don't rush to buy a car. Think about it and get something you're really happy with. <p>How about a Subaru Legacy or Outback? They're slightly larger and cheaper (including service), if you want a wagon.
 

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Re: Can Get a Great Deal on a V50... However, might get a GMC Envoy... (audiomidiman)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>audiomidiman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Would the V50 be a better replacement for my wife's jetta next year?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>IMO....yes.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>audiomidiman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Other options is for me to order a Ford Edge or wait for a good deal on a Pacifica, Freestyle or possible a Minivan and just extend my lease.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Probably a good trade off since you don't seem to want an SUV.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>audiomidiman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How fast is the inline 5 cylinder without the turbo?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not very...especially with an automatic.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>eurotrash</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't rush to buy a car. Think about it and get something you're really happy with. <p>How about a Subaru Legacy or Outback? They're slightly larger and cheaper (including service), if you want a wagon.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree.<p>
 

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Re: Can Get a Great Deal on a V50... However, might get a GMC Envoy... (MagoonR)

Take the GM 0% financing on a new 2.0T 9-3 SportCombi instead.....think that might be up your alley more ($$$ wise).
 

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Re: Can Get a Great Deal on a V50... However, might get a GMC Envoy... (5Pillars)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>5Pillars</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Take the GM 0% financing on a new 2.0T 9-3 SportCombi instead.....think that might be up your alley more ($$$ wise).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Looks like he is a leasing person. Besides, Saab resale is even worse than Volvo. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Can Get a Great Deal on a V50... However, might get a GMC Envoy... (MagoonR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Looks like he is a leasing person. Besides, Saab resale is even worse than Volvo. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Yes I know he is a PAYMENT shopper............saab is cheaper (after dealer discounts) and with 0% for 60 months he may get a great deal. Here in Austin they are giving away the Saab's (especially the 2.0T's).<p>Hey a Saab is an upgrade over an Envoy. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Can Get a Great Deal on a V50... However, might get a GMC Envoy... (audiomidiman)

Often you can keep a leased vehicle for a couple extra months. Talk to the lessor. New car deals typically start to improve about this time of year, and the worst deals are often made in haste.<p>We have an XC70 and a V50 T5 AWD...well the V50 is on the boat off the west coast, but we will have it soon. The 70's are a better size for a primary family car with kids. The V50 might be tight as a family's main car. The V50 (T5) is more engaging to drive than the XC70, but I'd prefer my XC70 over a SUV or Passat. The Subaru slots between the 50 and 70 size-wise and was one of my top 3 when I shopped for the XC70. The turbo Subie will cost about as much as a base XC70 though.<p>We liked our SAAB's -- a 9-5 wagon and an older 900 hatch. Drove some 9-3's when the 9-5 was in for service. Seemed like a fun car but only available in fwd. Maybe not a problem for you but awd is nice here. That famous SAAB depreciation isn't a problem on a lease either if they inflate the residual. Consumer Reports slams the 9-3 for reliablility so don't lease for longer than the warranty coverage. They slam the V50 for the same too. Funny but this forum doesn't seem to reflect a reliability problem for the V50 so one has to take the CR report with a grain of salt ... so to speak. <p>[edit] Remembered too that when the Trailblazer/Envoy was new CR showed them to be off the chart with dismal reliability ratings. Looks like they have improved some lately. If you must go with that platform you should at least price the 9-7x since it's the same basic vehicle. I remember that last year you could buy a 9-2x Aero for MUCH less than its Subaru WRX equivelant.<p>You might also take a look at the new Mazda CX-7. It looks like an interesting package, though its very new and I don't really know anything about it. FWIW my parents (mid-70's!) just bought a new RAV4. Much bigger than the previous version, good mileage, reasonably fast, and Toyota reliability. Downside is that once you are a Volvo (or SAAB) driver other brands seem to lack a certain personality.<p>Just my $0.02
 

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Thanks for the input. The problem is that the GMC dealer is giving me SUCH a great deal that the SAAB dealer was about $70 more a month on the same vehicle. But, obviously SAAB has more features.<p>I'm about to call GMC this morning and probably piss him off. From day one I told him I wasn't too crazy to get another 16-18 MPG City Gas hog. However, the prices kept me reconcidering this decission.<p>Really, I would practiaclly get a damn MINI VAN if the price was right. And that's coming from someone that said "WE WILL NEVER OWN A MINIVAN".<p>I'm definatly thinking the V50 is a choice for us right now (too bad because they are giving a below A-Plan price just to clear it out of the lot).<p>Other cars we are concidering are Explorers (SUV again), Freestyle, V70, Pacifica or the Passat Wagon. We might even order a Ford Edge and hope the payment is good.<p>It's killing me that I may be turning down a very sweet deal. However, if you aren't sure, maybe it's best to sit back and hope for a better deal on somthing we really want.<p>Well thanks again.<p>Oh, and I'm starting to think that a Pontiac Torrent might be a pretty good choice @ 19 CITY and 24 HIGHWAY (AWD models get 18 city and 23 highway). Really, this seats as much as the Envoy or Explorer (and Edge that is coming out) and get's a little better gas millage.<p>Bill<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by audiomidiman at 6:09 AM 7-21-2006</i>
 

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I recently did this song and dance with the decision to replace my wife's S40 ('01). Since we are expecting our first, I knew that we would have to have more space. <p>I did not want another SUV (already have a Pathfinder). <p>Really liked the V50 when it came out, but as the primary family car it is too small, IMO. As a secondary family car I'm sure it's great, but it's just not that big. <p>Looked at pretty much everything out there that wasn't an body on frame SUV or a minivan.<p>Ended up with a pre-owned V70R. Great combo of room and sportiness. <p>Would have been happy with an XC70 too. Would have been really happy with an XC90, but couldn't afford a V8 and would have wanted one all along.<p>Subaru Legacy's are really, really nice for the $$.<p>Why don't you consider pre-owned?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why don't you consider pre-owned? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Because he can't lease it easily.
 

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I own a V50. The back seats are not huge but there is a lot more room in them then the S60's. I have a daughter and have no issues with the size of the V50.<p>That said, have you considered the Mazda6 wagon? It's a little larger than the V50 and less expensive as well.
 

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I drove the Mazda CX-7 and it was AWESOME....I came away very impressed with the steering, ride, and handling. The 2.3 Turbo from the MS6 is a great motor for that vehicle imo....great power.<p><A HREF="http://www.autospies.com/news/Mazda-CX-7-Video-6912" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autospies.com/news/...-6912</A>/<p><br>If your looking at the Pontiac Torrent then go check out the Suzuki version....looks SSSOOOO much better!<p>I am telling you though.....the 2.0T 9-3 SportCombi's are being given away here in Austin, and with the new just released GM financing deals with discounts how could you go wrong.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by 5Pillars at 9:19 AM 7-21-2006</i>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>5Pillars</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If your looking at the Pontiac Torrent then go check out the Suzuki version....looks SSSOOOO much better!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The Torrent is a rebadged Chevy Equinox. No Suzuki equivalent.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>The Torrent is a rebadged Chevy Equinox. No Suzuki equivalent.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Equinox" TARGET="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Equinox</A><p><br>I forgive you "R" man! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>5Pillars</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Equinox" TARGET="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Equinox</A><p><br>I forgive you "R" man! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Why forgive me? You said "Suzuki"....not "Saturn". The XL-7 may have commonalities but is not the same vehicle.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Why forgive me? You said "Suzuki"....not "Saturn". The XL-7 may have commonalities but is not the same vehicle.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Dude are you OK............<p>"The Equinox uses the GM Theta platform and is produced at the CAMI Automotive GM/Suzuki joint venture plant in Ingersoll, Ontario, Canada. The 3.4 L LNJ V6 engine is made in China.<p>The Equinox is larger than the VUE, riding on a 112.5 in (2857 mm) wheelbase, 5.9 in (149.9 mm) longer than the Saturn. It has much in common with the Pontiac Torrent and 2007 Suzuki XL-7, however."<p>*****************************************************************************<p><br>No need for ANY REPLY....LOL! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> If you have a NEED to argue then go find a big mirror and fight with yourself.....you may get somewhere. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emcocktl.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>
 

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Well, we backed out of the Envoy... Drove a Pontiac Torrent... However, the Torrent's seat fabric sucked... So, we asked him to find one w/ the same features but w/ leather (and we don't care if we have leather but that material was kind of crappie). But, as of Monday the price goes up.<p>So, we might just extend our lease.<p>We are heading to the Volvo Dealer today with our baby seat to see "IF" we think a V50 is suited for our family of 3 with the occasional cramming of 2 extra people.<p>At that time, I will be asking about 2-3 year old V70's w/ Turbo's and to keep me in the loop. I will also be hoping that Pacifica's, Freestyle's and other slightly larger vehicles w/ better gas millage than Envoy's and Explorer's will come my way w/ a good price.<p>Thanks for everyone's input.<p>Bill
 

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All I have to say is WOW. Even w/o the turbo, the 2.4i is pretty peppy for a car that size. It wasn't loaded but ALL Volvo's are nicely equipped. It did have the Weather package.<p>From going from a Truck it seemed small but not too small. much sportier than the V70 even though the V70 is a little more practical in size. Also, the back seat seemed pretty decent sized. Why is the S60 so small in the back seats compared to the V50?<p>Decisions, decisions, decisions... This is going to be a tough one...<p>Bill
 
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