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I'm ready to replace the Rosso's and have heard plenty of mixed reviews on the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S tires - ranging from extremely good to extremely bad. After a little online research I came across the <B>Toyo Proxes 4</B> tire, which appear to be widely accepted as a very good all-season tire. They are pretty inexpensive, which makes me wonder how good they could be...<p>Has anyone installed these on their R? If so, can you comment on:<p>Performance and traction, dry and wet (I live in Seattle, so wet weather is the norm)? <br>Ride quality?<br>Noise?<br>Longevity?<br>Durability?<p>If they are as good as the reviews would suggest, I can splurge on new wheels without spending the next six months sleeping on the couch! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Thanks - Tryg
 

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Re: Can anyone comment on Toyo brand tires? - Proxes 4 (RainyS60R)

Dunno about those Toyos. Never heard about them, but kinda low treadwear (300) for an all-season<p>You've read bad reviews about the P/S A/S? <p>The only thing I've read that's bad is the price.<p>Of course, you're always going to get some people on the tire rack who don't like a tire, or have had problems. <p>Check in with Jim (JRL) on his new Pilot Exaltos. I am seriously considering them for the next tire on the R. Seems a little more comfy than the P/S A/S and a little less expensive. <p>Of course, I do have an auto, so according to some people, I shouldn't have an R at all and the thought of putting H rated tires on an R must send a shudder through their very core. <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Can anyone comment on Toyo brand tires? - Proxes 4 (RainyS60R)

This is the only all-season tire I have found that comes in 235/35/19. I may go with these when my F1's wear out.
 

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Re: Can anyone comment on Toyo brand tires? - Proxes 4 (needsdecaf)

I thought Jim was running PS all seasons. <p>I have yet to hear or read anything bad about PS a/s Michelins. They had better be good - I just ordered a set of 18s for my new R. I just wish the price wasn't so stiff.
 

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Re: Can anyone comment on Toyo brand tires? - Proxes 4 (sgmlaw)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sgmlaw</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought Jim was running PS all seasons. <p>I have yet to hear or read anything bad about PS a/s Michelins. They had better be good - I just ordered a set of 18s for my new R. I just wish the price wasn't so stiff.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Why didn't you ask me first <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> before you paid RETAIL?
 

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Re: Can anyone comment on Toyo brand tires? - Proxes 4 (sgmlaw)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sgmlaw</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought Jim was running PS all seasons. <p>I have yet to hear or read anything bad about PS a/s Michelins. They had better be good - I just ordered a set of 18s for my new R. I just wish the price wasn't so stiff.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Jim is, these were tires he just bought for his wife's car.<p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=56126" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=56126</A>
 

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Re: Can anyone comment on Toyo brand tires? - Proxes 4 (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why didn't you ask me first <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> before you paid RETAIL?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks for the reminder. It's been resolved. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Remember, I did <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> when that lady hit me.
 

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Re: Can anyone comment on Toyo brand tires? - Proxes 4 (RainyS60R)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RainyS60R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm ready to replace the Rosso's and have heard plenty of mixed reviews on the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S tires - ranging from extremely good to extremely bad. After a little online research I came across the <B>Toyo Proxes 4</B> tire, which appear to be widely accepted as a very good all-season tire. They are pretty inexpensive, which makes me wonder how good they could be...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have them on my T5 (235-45/17). I have had them for about a year now. I like them very much. They are not noisy at all, VERY GOOD in the rain (highway speeds and braking) but not excellent when I start (from standstill) going up a hill. But remember, my car is FWD. Overall, very good for what you will pay. Wear has been slightly better than average and I am a stickler with my tire pressures (I check and adjust just about every 10 or 14 days) and rotate them religiously. I have not tried them on snow since I use snow tires in the winter.<p>Durability? It all depends on how you drive, where you drive and how careful you are with your tire pressures. So far, no bubbles, etc. But I also never got any of that woith my OEM tires (Pirelli P6s) when so many others were complaining. I got 43K miles out of those and no incidents.<p>Would I get them again? If I wanted to get a rather inexpensive high performance all season tire, yes. But my next tire will be a dedicated summer tire.<p>Yannis
 

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Re: Can anyone comment on Toyo brand tires? - Proxes 4 (RainyS60R)

With the wet climate, another A/S tire to consider is the Conti Extreme Contact. I had these on my '05 as a winter tire, and they were absolutely terrific performers in wet and snowy weather. And they're very reasonably priced.
 

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I use Proxes 4 in the winter months. As long as you don't compare it to summer tires, the Toyo is a good tire. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/redface.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I have them and have been very happy with them, they are mounted on evolve 19" rims, 235/30-19's.<p>Low road noise<br>Good ride quality<br>Good wear qualities<br>Slightly less grip, dry, than the P-zeros<br>Very good in snow, and wet<br>I felt that the P-zeros were great dry, good wet, sucked in snow.<p>I like them enough to go with the same when required.<br>Hope this helps.
 

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That's good enough for me - plus, they are a good $350 less for a set than the Pilot Sport A/S. That price point may provide me with sufficient wiggle room for a wife-friendly wheel upgrade (yes, I admit it, I have no backbone). <p>Hmmmm... now I have to decide on a wheel (deciding on the tires took a good two weeks). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Thanks for the input - I'm glad to hear that at least a couple of Volvo/R owners have used them on their cars with successful results. I'm pretty sure that there isn't an all-season tire on the market that will be as sticky as the Rosso's while meeting all of the other criteria (treadwear, noise, comfort, etc.).<p>- Tryg
 

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I run the Proxes 4 on my Monte, 245/50/16s. The car never sees the rain or snow, but when I did run it in the rain once it was very loose when I was on the throttle. I wonder why? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Like mentioned, they are fairly quiet and rides well. I am considering them for my R also when these Rosso's are finished.
 

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I have proxie 4s on my car. They give you pretty good dry and wet traction. Snow is ok, my car is front wheel drive tough not all wheel. I was thinking about putting them on my wife's R unless I can get a really good deal on the PS a/s<p>I should ad that depending on how you drive your looking at about 14-20k miles on the toyos before they have to be replaced.
 

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I have Proxes4's on my 18" Pegs and Toyo T1-R's on ny Evolve 19" H5's. I have to say the Proxes4 were better in the wet than the Rosso's.
 

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the only toyo I ran was the proxes T1-S. i rant hose after the rossos went bad. the toyo was good, but the PS2s are much better.<p>the toyo handled well, but I think the PS2 handles AS well or better and it much more comfortble...the PS2 made the car ride much more smoothly when cruising....but it still grips hard in turns.<p>the PS2 is awesome.
 
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