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So I just test drove the C70. I really love the car and the way it handles. Great visibility, great seats, great hard top. Even a decent amount of trunk space. Wife loved it too. <p>BUT since I want a manual transmission and they didn't have one, I also test drove the C30 in stick -- which I believe has the same engine and transmission -- just to see how it shifted. <p>I have to say, it was truly awful. <B>The stick shift moved like a straw in a slushee.</B> And the clutch pedal has zero tension. <p>Is this typical in your experiences? Or did I just get a lemon?<p>If it is typical, does anyone happen to know if these are capable of being remedied in any way by Volvo? That is, does Volvo sell an add on short throw shifter? Do Volvo's allow for tightening of the clutch pedal? <p>I would really like to get the C70, but not with that awful clutch/shifter.<p>Thanks.
 

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Re: C70 or C30 Manual Transmission: Straw in a slushee?? (Zosia)

I guess you could have posted this in the C70 forum, but since I stumbled upon it here I will reply here...<p>I really like the MT in our C70. Changes the whole character of the car and my wife will never go back to AT again.<p>I've never noticed the straw in slushee feeling of the stick. Compared to my Civic Si and BMW 328, the shifter is about average. I guess if I get a C30, then I might toy with urethane bushings for a more positive feel, but I don't think I want the throw any shorter. My goodness it is a short throw already!<p>I absolutely love the clutch. The engagement point was different than my other MT cars, but that is to be expected. Clutch fatigue was a big concern for both of us and I must say you probably have the legs of a linebacker; because I was quite releived the clutch was so light. I prefer a light clutch because it is so much easier to drive and shift quickly (and heavy traffic doesn't kill your left leg). It was a big shock (pleasent) compared to the resistance in our BMW or MB-AMG clutches.<p>I'm not trying to bash your opinions about the car, but I've learned that everyone has their own personal tastes. Volvo is just like many other car makers and has a very good product, but just like BMW or MB it isn't always a great product.<p>Good Luck on your car search. I highly recommend the C70 with MT. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: C70 or C30 Manual Transmission: Straw in a slushee?? (oilspot)

I concur with oil spot. Unfortunately I don't currently drive a stick, but have driven many Volvo sticks in the past. Current FWD Volvo sticks will not be as precised feeling as a RWD stick found in an BMW or Infinity simply because of the cable shifter necessitated by the transverse arrangement. That being said, I have found it to be very good. I have driven both C70 and C30 sticks and they are wonderful cars. Volvo clutches have traditionally required very light pedal pressure. While take up is light, it is normally very consistent in terms of placement.
 

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Re: C70 or C30 Manual Transmission: Straw in a slushee?? (cdauerer)

Thanks for your replies. I posted here b/c the C70 forum had not had any activity in a few days (or longer) when I posted.<p>I don't have the legs of a linebacker, but I do have very long legs, and that may be part of the problem<p>The car I now drive -- and have driven for 15 years -- is a front wheel drive Nissan Maxima (1992). Compared to that car, the tension of the clutch pedal on the C30 was like pushing on a string. And the gear shifter on the C30 compared to my Maxima was very, very loose.<p>I guess that I am surprised that anyone could enjoy driving the C30 that I test drove -- assuming that it is in fact similar to the C70. <p>But I am starting to feel that maybe I just tested an outlier that was not representative of the brand. <p>I will test it again with another C30. If anyone has a C70 in MT and lives in SoCal, let me know, as I'd love to take your car for a quick spin <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Token</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Ford Focus based Volvos all have the crappy clutch and slushy gear stick.<p>You didn't get a lemon, they're just like that. Its the same in the S40/V50. <p>Check out an S60 with manual, it feels so much better.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hmm, I had an S60R and the shift quality was about the same.<br>Clutch takeup is wayyyy better on the P1 cars.
 

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Just saw this thread and I must say that I loved the shift feel of the S40 T5 AWD I owned. It was crisp, not rubbery at all and the throws were plenty short.<br>The clutch pedal I always found to be a bit light and caught really low but once I got used to it, it was ok. I greatly prefer the clutch feel of my V70 AWD w/ 850 R clutch, but the shifter is nowhere near as precise as the M66. I have also driven manual C30s and never found the shifter to feel like "a straw in a slushy," great analogy though that is!
 
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