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Today I cancelled my order,the reason too costly for a first year model that might be full of bugs. Second it would be a 2006 i would receive in April, the 2007 will be out in a few months after that. The deprecation at MSRP would be more then I should have to lose. <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: C70 Cancelled Today (doc170)

I haven't followed the new C70 developments that closely but I believe it's based on the S40...a design that will be two or three years old by the the time the C70 hits dealerships. I would think most of the bugs would be worked out and the "first year" issues shouldn't worry you too much. That being said, if you check out the S40 forum you'll find some complaints. I'm pretty lucky that my S40 has been solid...except for a radio issue or two but that was an easy fix. <p>However, I'm sure you are right about the depreciation.<p>Good luck.<br>
 

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Re: C70 Cancelled Today (CINCYFAN)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CINCYFAN</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I haven't followed the new C70 developments that closely but I believe it's based on the S40...a design that will be two or three years old by the the time the C70 hits dealerships. <br>Good luck.<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Noooooooooo, you have that top....
 

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Re: C70 Cancelled Today (JRL)(doc170)

Very correct on both counts. Not a very sound business deal getting a 2006 this late in the 2006 game season even if you were to get it today. Let alone whenever it shows at the dealer, before July/aug MYC . And very much so on the first ever VOLVO clam shell top. Whom knows what great and wonderful fun awaits one on these tops. Not saying that teh 2007 top will be worse or better. But at least the car will not be worth much less then you paid before you even drive it off the lot. The only person that makes out well on a first year car, is the guy that gets the FIRST CAR off the line. That will never be long term worth less then the day it was new.
 

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Re: C70 Cancelled Today (JRL)

Hi CincyFan<p> The C70 is part S40 and part V50,but not either one,so it is a pieced together car with a very new hard top retractable roof, all of these parts can have bugs. This is a new model no matter what proven piecesit uses. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by doc170 at 9:47 AM 3-18-2006</i>
 

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Re: C70 Cancelled Today (doc170)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>doc170</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hi CincyFan<p> The C70 is part S40 and part S50,but not either one,so it is a pieced together car with a very new hard top retractable roof, all of these parts can have bugs. This is a new model no matter what proven piecesit uses. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>S50? Do you know something that I don't? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yannis
 

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Re: C70 Cancelled Today (Nato740)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nato740</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Very correct on both counts. Not a very sound business deal getting a 2006 this late in the 2006 game season even if you were to get it today. Let alone whenever it shows at the dealer, before July/aug MYC . </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am sorry but you are "out there" with off the wall comments like that.<p>So, let's not introduce this car until the 2007s come out. YOU tell that to all those who have been waiting for almost a year that they cannot get their car until later.<p>Furthermore, the car will not show "whenever"...and not in mid- to late summer. First regular arrivals are penned for early April.<p>Yannis
 

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Re: C70 Cancelled Today (GrecianVolvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So, let's not introduce this car until the 2007s come out. YOU tell that to all those who have been waiting for almost a year that they cannot get their car until later.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think what he is trying to say is that Volvo would have been better advised to introduce the C70 as an early MY07 (similar to the early introduction of the 2004 R). This way, the initial buyer would not be a year behind within a few months.<p>IMO, this would have been a better plan.
 

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Re: C70 Cancelled Today (GrecianVolvo)

Below is text from [email protected]`s article Driven 2007 C70<p>Within the Volvo lexicon, the car is a little bit of everything as well. It retains the ‘C70’ name as the successor to the original C70 launched in 1998 and followed by a convertible in 1999. It also retains much of the C70’s size, yet is a showpiece for the flexibility and scalability of the company’s P1 chassis architecture that is also used on the smaller S40 and V50 models. The C70 is 4.5” longer than the S40 and 2” wider. It is 5.6” shorter in length than the outgoing C70, but it’s actually .2” wider”.<p>
 

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Re: C70 Cancelled Today (doc170)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>doc170</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hi CincyFan<p> The C70 is part S40 and part V50,but not either one,so it is a pieced together car with a very new hard top retractable roof, all of these parts can have bugs. This is a new model no matter what proven pieces it uses. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good point - I didn't consider the retractable top. I still think the rest of the car should be pretty solid...maybe a couple of electrical bugs and if they occur, they are well documented.<p>The only wrong decision in this process is doing something you don't want to do. <p>Good luck.
 

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Re: C70 Cancelled Today (CINCYFAN)

doc170..............<p>I'm sure you have solid reasons for your decision..and it IS your $$ after all. Magoon may be right about discounts coming later on...and it may work better for you to wait.... foe the reasons you sighted.....but getting or not getting a discount should not be a reason for purchasing or not purchasing any product. Discounts have always... "in my mind"....been a way to make the buyer feel better "emotionally" about making that FINAL decision to make the commitment to close the deal on a big ticket item......Fact is..cars are just like every other commodity...when demand is high and supply is low..prices remain constant. When supply is high and demand is low...here come the price cuts!!!!<br>The car itself?? A definite winner! I think Volvo has done a great job with the C70 design and I think we will find few..if ANY..."hiccups" with the new model....Should they have called it a 2007? well maybe they should have....but 2006 or 2007...it is the same car...<br>Consider this to.........What if they have a price increase on the 2007 models to adjust for the $$ vs Euro vs Krona exchange rates? and the price increase absorbs what discount you might get by waiting? Then you have waited a year and spent the same amount of $$ for the same car.......Not trying to be argumentative...just stating that you should feel good about the purchase and about the car....obviously somewhere in that equation you were not pleased. If you were my customer...I would want you happy first...Volvo owner second! At least that way...when you ARE ready for a new car...I have left the door open for us to talk again....just my opinion!
 

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Re: C70 Cancelled Today (universityvolvoOSD)

Good points.<p>I don't quite understand the depreciation argument, although I agree it would have been smarter for Volvo to introduce it as an early 2007 model. Far as you know, are there going to be any substantive changes to the 2007? Yannis a while back mentioned there might be a different color or two.<p>Other than that, if you keep your car at least 5 years, I would think that mileage, not model year as such, would count for a lot more. In other words, five years down the road, if you have a MY 2006 with 50,000 on it, vs. a 2007 with 65,000, wouldn't the 2006 maybe still get more in a trade-in?<p>If you trade in more often, then I guess the MY would have more meaning.
 

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Re: C70 Cancelled Today (Beach girl)

Beach Girl.....<p>Good analogy <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> Fact is ....with any premium brand pre-owned vehicle...mileage/condition/ and service records are THE KEYS to high resale...the year model in and of itself has very little to do with value....but like I told doc170...I am very respectful of "whose" $$ we are talking about here...not mine...his <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: C70 Cancelled Today (MagoonR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I think what he is trying to say is that Volvo would have been better advised to introduce the C70 as an early MY07 (similar to the early introduction of the 2004 R). This way, the initial buyer would not be a year behind within a few months.<p>IMO, this would have been a better plan.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I understand the "logic" of the argument but it is not based on facts.<p>FOr example. The XC90 came out as an '03 model. Four months later, the 2004s came out. Right now, if someone brought to me a 2003 XC90 2.5T and someone else a 2004 XC90 2.5T with just about the same miles on their odometers, the difference (in trade-in value) would be less than $500.<p>Much so in a limited car like the C70...<p>Yannis
 

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Re: C70 Cancelled Today (GrecianVolvo)

<I>FOr example. The XC90 came out as an '03 model. Four months later, the 2004s came out. Right now, if someone brought to me a 2003 XC90 2.5T and someone else a 2004 XC90 2.5T with just about the same miles on their odometers, the difference (in trade-in value) would be less than $500.<p>Much so in a limited car like the C70...<p>Yannis<p></I> <p>Furthermore.....if that 03 X90 had the climate pkg and perfect service records vs an 04 with incomplete service records and no climate pkg....the value might be THE SAME! (fyi..I am using the climate pkg as an example....not saying that with or without it a vehicle has any more value....but that is one example of how a geographic region can influence the value of certain vehicles....common sense would dictate that a vehicle with heated seats would be of more value in the north vs having heated seats in say..Orlando Fla)...<p>Another example of factors other than the year model having an impact of pre-owned values!<p><br>BUT ...doc...it's still YOUR $$...you do with it what you want! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> We're just talking in the hallway..outside the classroom...you know ..just shootin the breeze....Nothing personal to you ..so don't think we are trying to stir somethin up! Okay? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Bob<br> I see all the volvo owners stick together. I bought my first new car in 1961 a Pontiac Bonniville convert I was 19 at that time, I keep a car between 2 and 3 years,and to this date I`ve always lost money on my cars. In 2002 I purchased a Brand new Ford Thunderbird and was lucky to get it at MSRP. In 2004 with 1280 miles on it I had to beg to get $25,000 for it on a trade for a 2005 Cadillac CTS-V. The Thunderbird was a bomb for Ford and part of the reason was Dealers puting a premium on the price of between $5,000 & $10,000 on it. The Thunderbird was the first car I ever paid MSRP for,and only because my cousin was the saleperson. Bob you may be an honest guy,but all the dealers I`ve ever met were trying to get as close to MSRP as possible. My occupation for 32 years was a N .Y. City Firefighter who risked my life and limb for my nimble pay check,so I don`t give away my money to a guy sitting at a desk getting paper cuts telling me how great his car is and the cost of it is fair.<br> Nothing personal Bob I still think you are a gentleman, and if I lived in N.C I buy a car from you. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> Jim
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>doc170</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I keep a car between 2 and 3 years,and to this date I`ve always lost money on my cars.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Were you expecting to make money...or even break even on a vehicle?<p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>doc170</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In 2002 I purchased a Brand new Ford Thunderbird and was lucky to get it at MSRP. In 2004 with 1280 miles on it I had to beg to get $25,000 for it on a trade for a 2005 Cadillac CTS-V.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I hate to tell you about the hit you're about to experience on that CTS-V if you bought it anywhere close to sticker. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>doc170</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I keep a car between 2 and 3 years,and to this date I`ve always lost money on my cars.<p>My occupation for 32 years was a N .Y. City Firefighter who risked my life and limb for my nimble pay check,so I don`t give away my money to a guy sitting at a desk getting paper cuts telling me how great his car is and the cost of it is fair.<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>With all due respect...you have been! Getting a new car every 2 or 3 years, other than leasing, is (financially) disastrous!<p>Yannis
 

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Suggest you research more before buying your next car. You saw that with the Thunderbird, same with the CTS-V. Biggest question any car buyer should ask when buying American Makes is why or how can Dealers offer such big discounts. Ive seen as high as $18k on some GM SUV's and believe me the Dealer still makes money! European vehicles could never even come close, their margins are much less.<p>My 96 Volvo 850T was bought new for $37k-1k discount, leased for 7yrs paid off remaining balance Total cost $41k Just sold for $8500 with 59k mi.<p>My 97 Dodge Dakota V8 (new model out only a few weeks) was bought for $25k- $5000, paid off in 4yrs worth $3500 with 86k mi.<p>My 04 Audi S4 Ordered new cost $57800 now 28mo later with 26k mi has a value of $30-33k<p>And finally my 05 Volvo V50T5 new stickered for $32555 paid $26863 through OSD (THANKS BOB <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) and included a trip for 2, one night stay and free car rental for 4wks in Europe (since you drive your own car), an additional $6k savings. Car now has 4300 flawless miles.
 

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Who can pay that kind of money for a new Volvo these days?<p>1994 850 Turbo (my 4th Volvo) - purchased 1998 with 58,000 miles for $20,000 - sold 2005 with 278,000 for $750 (to the teenage son of a fellow BMW motorcyclist) - engine never apart but did replace the turbocharger at 75,000 because original owner didn't change the oil at the proper intervals. My turbo is still going strong at over 200,000 miles. Maintenance, baybee!<p>2000 S80 T6 (my 6th Volvo) - purchased 2005 with 86,000 miles for $10,500 - running strong at 111,000 miles.<p>I average 40-50,000 miles a year in my Volvos. I cannot afford to buy new. With my S80 T6, I'm driving a $43,000 luxury sedan for 1/4 of the cost of a new one. Looks, feels, drives the same and I can put several thousand dollars worth of upgrades and fixes into it (which I have) without hurting myself.<p>I plan to upgrade in a few years to a 2004 XC90 which should be comfortably affordable by then.<p>As always, YMMV. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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