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well i finaly bit the bullet and put a grand down on an 06 R. i should be getting it around the middle to the end of this month. i have a few things i want to ask of you all because i know everyone on this board knows more about these cars than most salespeople at the dealerships, i knew more about the R than the "new" salesman that was helping me today. anyway, i settled for an auto, even though i wanted to try the manual, they didnt have any on hand and the only ones on the lot was a 04 auto and an 06 auto in the showroom. i test drove the 04 and liked it a lot, lot more power in the auto than what i imagined. i heard on here that the 06 doesnt suffer as much in terms of power like the 04's did with the 5 speed auto. i just want someone to confirm me on this one. another reason i went for the auto was because i will be using the R all the time and i live in the city so changing gears all the time may not be for me although ive never driven a manual so i dunno for sure. the last reason i went with the auto was because i think they gave me a good deal on the car as well, heres the list and the price of the car:<p>06 R<br>titanium grey paint with nordkap interior<br>6 speed auto<br>IAQS<br>sun roof and upgraded radio package<br>rainsensor and heated seat package<br>18" wheels<p>price for all that including taxes is 40 thousand and something (forgot the hundreds part)<p>so i was wondering if this is a good deal for that. they will have to deliver the car to my location in NC from NY, which is included in the price also.<p>i also made it clear to them i want the car with the lowest milage on it as possible. he said 10-15 miles is typical but i find it hard to believe that much miles needs to be put on the car but i want to confrim this with you guys also. im not going to accept a car with 30+ miles on it no way. i was going to order the car from the factory but they acted like they wouldnt cut me as big of a deal as they are with this one. i actualy wanted the sport body kit and 17" wheels instead and no sunroof but finding one with the options i wanted wasnt coming up today. they said it wasnt possible to order the car without a sunroof but with the upgraded radio.<p>the last thing i want your guys thoughts on is about my trade in. i was going to trade in my 01 s80 t6 and they are only offering me 10,300 for it. its been in a front end collision before so that knocked off 3 grand or so. i feel the car is worth more than this because its in excellent condition so i wanted to check and see on here whether that sounds like a ripoff or not to anyone whos done a tradein.<p>well thats about it i guess. ive read up on the car on here pretty well and ive browsed through the R forums off and on since the car was released since ive been dieing to get one and now the moment is upon me so i just want the car to be as perfect as possible. <p>im aware of the plate underneath the car where the exhast is and that will be the first thing i check when i get the car. i looked under the one they had in the showroom, an 06 R, and it was hanging down some below the exhast just like the pictures ive seen on here.<p>thanks very much for the help guys.
 

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Re: Buying an 06 S60 R, need some advice and input please! (sk11vengeance)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sk11vengeance</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I test drove the 04 and liked it a lot, lot more power in the auto than what i imagined. i heard on here that the 06 doesnt suffer as much in terms of power like the 04's did with the 5 speed auto. i just want someone to confirm me on this one.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>This is a correct statement. The 04/05 GT was downgraded to 258lb-ft of torque (versus 295 in the MT) and further limited in 1st (and maybe 2nd) gear(s) to approx 236. This is why the published 0-60 times were about 1.8 seconds slower than the MT. The 06 GT is stated to produce 295 but the published 0-60 times are about a second slower which leads some (including me) to believe that there is still a bit of detuning in the early gears. Of course, you could always get a BSR and exhaust and "destroy" M3's but that's another subject altogether. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sk11vengeance</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I actualy wanted the sport body kit and 17" wheels instead and no sunroof but finding one with the options i wanted wasnt coming up today. they said it wasnt possible to order the car without a sunroof but with the upgraded radio.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If you ever have thoughts of reselling the R, the moonroof is a must and depending on location, the climate package is too. Without these, resale will be much more difficult and at a worse price.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sk11vengeance</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The last thing i want your guys thoughts on is about my trade in. i was going to trade in my 01 s80 t6 and they are only offering me 10,300 for it. its been in a front end collision before so that knocked off 3 grand or so. i feel the car is worth more than this because its in excellent condition so i wanted to check and see on here whether that sounds like a ripoff or not to anyone whos done a tradein.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well.....without any specific with regard to mileage, options, etc, it's tough to say. Any noticeable remains from a collision will hurt resale to say the least. If you feel that it deserves a better price, you still have time to try to sell it yourself before the R arrives.
 

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Re: Buying an 06 S60 R, need some advice and input please! (sk11vengeance)

sorry i forgot to mention my s80 has about 58k miles. the 04 R i test drove had 14k something. they were asking 35 something for it i think.<p>my car is loaded for an 01, everything except the nav.
 

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Re: Buying an 06 S60 R, need some advice and input please! (sk11vengeance)

All 04's now are about 30K or under, waaaaay too much!<br>As for your T6, they're being generous, it's worth less so I would look here (on the classifieds) and at other dealers, as yours is not giving you a break. That being said, I would like to know<B> exactly</B> what they're giving you for your T6, is it 10,500 or 7500, I wasn't clear, neither were you.<br>Re read your post. 10,500 is MORE than fair for your car that was wrecked, they're actually selling you the R for less so it may be a decent deal.<br>Your car in PERFECT condition (with your miles) is worth about 10,500 on a trade in, they're only doing 11,000 at the auctions<br>(I buy them for much less)
 

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Re: Buying an 06 S60 R, need some advice and input please! (JRL)

sorry for the confusion, i meant when the 3 grand was knocked off it was from 13,300 to 10,300 for the s80. i still dont understand how it could be at that price, its such a good car but i guess thats only in my eyes.<p>im going to carmax tomorrow if they are open and get a price from them on how much the cars worth for tradein. <p>im going to try and get them to 10,500 or 10,600, something along there, because i just bought 2 new 17" pirelli p zeros for the front and the back still has half the tread on them at least. <p>my car also has a 10 disk cd changer, does anyone know if i can take this and put it in the 06 R? it should work with a software download right?
 

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Re: Buying an 06 S60 R, need some advice and input please! (sk11vengeance)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sk11vengeance</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sorry i forgot to mention my s80 has about 58k miles. the 04 R i test drove had 14k something. they were asking 35 something for it i think.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Perhaps they should take another hit on the illegal substance? The R is not a strong resale to begin with and a 04/05 GT is not a plus. As JRL said, decent 04's fetch around $30K retail. I was recently offered $27K wholesale for my 04 (14K miles, MT, premium, climate, touring, 18's) from a Volvo dealer on a straight sale.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sk11vengeance</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sorry for the confusion, i meant when the 3 grand was knocked off it was from 13,300 to 10,300 for the s80. i still dont understand how it could be at that price, its such a good car but i guess thats only in my eyes.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Because it's a 5 (almost 6) year old Volvo....that's why. Depreciation is a biatch you know.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sk11vengeance</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im going to carmax tomorrow if they are open and get a price from them on how much the cars worth for tradein. <p>im going to try and get them to 10,500 or 10,600, something along there, because i just bought 2 new 17" pirelli p zeros for the front and the back still has half the tread on them at least. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>So you're nickeling and diming for $200-300? I am not familiar with NC sales tax but if you get tax credit for the trade, this makes much better sense than taking a bit of extra cash at Carmax. Much easier too.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sk11vengeance</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my car also has a 10 disk cd changer, does anyone know if i can take this and put it in the 06 R? it should work with a software download right?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Doubt it but not positive.
 

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Re: Buying an 06 S60 R, need some advice and input please! (MagoonR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>So you're nickeling and diming for $200-300? I am not familiar with NC sales tax but if you get tax credit for the trade, this makes much better sense than taking a bit of extra cash at Carmax. Much easier too.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>can you please explain about the tax credit? i dont understand about that.
 

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sorry for the confusion, i meant when the 3 grand was knocked off it was from 13,300 to 10,300 for the s80. QUOTE]<br>Your car was never worth 13,300 even in 100% condition. (Well, maybe 2 years ago) I was paying 11-12 grand for 01's nearly<B> 2 years ago</B><br>Again, they're being very generous at 10,500 or so with a prior damaged car
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sk11vengeance</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">can you please explain about the tax credit? i dont understand about that.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Here in PA, there is a 6% sales tax on the net transaction. So, if the dealer offered you $10,300, that would save $618 of sales tax by trading the S80 in. Therefore, you would need $10,918 from a straight sale to break even and pay cash for the R. If your timing is good, you can retail the car for a higher price and ask the dealer to "courtesy" trade the S80 thus passing it through his books as a trade. This will net the higher price and gain a sales tax credit.
 

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Re: Buying an 06 S60 R, need some advice and input please! (JRL)

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sorry for the confusion, i meant when the 3 grand was knocked off it was from 13,300 to 10,300 for the s80. QUOTE]<br>Your car was never worth 13,300 even in 100% condition. (Well, maybe 2 years ago) I was paying 11-12 grand for 01's nearly<B> 2 years ago</B><br>Again, they're being very generous at 10,500 or so with a prior damaged car</TD></TR></TABLE><p>well thanks for your honesty and input. i guess when he did the quote or whatever that he looked things up on the service computer maybe and saw all the money ive spent on that car and felt like he should give me a bit better deal on it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Buying an 06 S60 R, need some advice and input please! (MagoonR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Here in PA, there is a 6% sales tax on the net transaction. So, if the dealer offered you $10,300, that would save $618 of sales tax by trading the S80 in. Therefore, you would need $10,918 from a straight sale to break even and pay cash for the R. If your timing is good, you can retail the car for a higher price and ask the dealer to "courtesy" trade the S80 thus passing it through his books as a trade. This will net the higher price and gain a sales tax credit.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>ok i get the sales tax part up until you mention break even. then im lost again, lol. sorry this is my first tradein. <br>the guy didnt mention anyting about tax on the s80. also i wont be putting that money in on the R, im just going to take a check from them. does that make any difference in what you were telling me?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sk11vengeance</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok i get the sales tax part up until you mention break even. then im lost again, lol. sorry this is my first tradein. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>My point was that a $10,300 trade in is worth $10,918 ($10,300*1.06) when you factor in the PA tax issue. Therefore, if you sell it privately and use the cash proceeds as a down payment, you would need $10,918 to have the same impact as the trade (ie. break even).<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sk11vengeance</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the guy didnt mention anyting about tax on the s80. also i wont be putting that money in on the R, im just going to take a check from them. does that make any difference in what you were telling me?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If you're already selling the S80 to a different dealer than you're buying the R from, the point is moot. Regardless, make sure you understand the financial aspects of the transaction.
 

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Re: Buying an 06 S60 R, need some advice and input please! (sk11vengeance)

I would echo what everyone has said. In my car buying transactions, the dealers call the net amount after factoring in your trade the "taxable difference", ie, the amount that has to have tax paid on it. I learned in OH that this only applies to new car purchases.<p>That '04 price you were quoted is crazy high. If you really want to test drive a manual, you should be able to find one by looking at some other dealers, although I would probably practice on a junker before driving the R if you have never driven a manual before.<p>If you test drove the '04 GT and liked it, you will like the '06 GT even more. Good luck. The R is a great ride.
 

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Re: Buying an 06 S60 R, need some advice and input please! (Wayne T5)

You guys aren't reading what he said. He's taking a check for the S80<br> (probably leasing the R).<br>NOT using the trade as a down payment. Tax is NA here
 

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Re: Buying an 06 S60 R, need some advice and input please! (sk11vengeance)

I'm going to try to address all your concerns at once, so here we go.<p>First and foremost, this is a GREAT place to have your questions answered about the R. So kudos on that.<p>As you can see from my signature, I work at a dealership in Charlotte, so I'm just a phone call away for you. Don't hesitate to give me a call if you have any questions. It is GUARANTEED that you're not going to find anyone else in this area, salesperson or technician, that's going to know more about the R than me.<p>Concerning the purchase price of your new car, I'll have to check to see what kind of a deal you're getting once I get into work tomorrow. The reason why they were discouraging you to order a new vehicle is because they want a sale THIS month . . . not two or three months from now. Besides, when the 07's do come out, they won't have as much incentives on them, so you're still going to get a better deal on a 06 anyways. <p>I've got two 2005 S60 R manuals (pre-owned) on my lot right now, so if you want to test drive one, feel free to drive on down. However, it seems like you've already made the right decision in going with the auto since you've never driven a manual before. Personally, I think the R is a pretty easy manual to drive in the city, but that's just my opinion.<p>Trade-in value: I think JRL already addressed this well enough.<p>Tax: sales tax for car purchases in NC is 3%. If there is no trade in, it is 3% of the purchase price. If there is a trade-in, then the taxable amount is the difference between the purchase price of the vehicle you're buying, and the trade-in value of the vehicle you're trading. <p>To make it easy, let's say the car you're buying is 10 grand, and your trade in is 5 grand. 10-5 = 5. So you'll be paying 3% tax on 5 grand.<p><br>Concerning miles on the vehicle you're getting: when we (we as in retailers) receive new vehicles off the truck, they typically have anywhere from a minimum of 3 miles on them, to about 6 miles. That's on average. Volvo will periodically grab a vehicle for random testing, and I've had a brand new vehicle come in off the truck with 50 miles on it. Nevertheless, once we receive the vehicle, we have to 1) do a pre-delivery inspection (part of which involves a test drive to ensure the vehicle is fully operational), 2) do a state inspection, and 3) fill your car up with gas for you. So 10 to 15 miles is most definitely normal.<p>Now here's the kicker: I can pretty much guarantee that the vehicle you're getting will have more than 15 miles on it. Here's why. They are doing what's called a dealer trade. So this car you're buying has been on some other dealer's lot . . . and while there, it's most likely been test driven by potential customers a time or two . . . or three . . . or four. So they (your dealer) is going to take one of their cars up to wherever this vehicle is, drop off their car, and then pick up your vehicle and bring it back. So, hate to break it to you, but the chances of your vehicle having under 15 miles on it is pretty slim. Not impossible . . . but VERY rare, especially when doing a dealer trade.<p>Now, your dealership claims to flatbed every car for every reason under the sun. So they should be flatbedding your car here . . . so if you've got over 100 miles on the odometer, THEN I'd throw a hissy. But neither you nor your dealer has any control over how many times your vehicle has been test driven prior to you putting a deposit on it.<p>One thing you can do, however, is ask how many miles the vehicle currently has on it (at the dealer it's at right now). Your dealer can call that dealer and get that information for you. That way you'll know for sure if your car was driven to your store or flatbedded there.<p>I hope this information helps. Let me know if you have any questions.
 

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Re: Buying an 06 S60 R, need some advice and input please! (R Salesman)

You forgot to mention his S80 and the price he's been offered on a prior damaged car
 

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Re: Buying an 06 S60 R, need some advice and input please! (sk11vengeance)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sk11vengeance</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyway, i settled for an auto, even though i wanted to try the manual, they didnt have any on hand and the only ones on the lot was a 04 auto and an 06 auto in the showroom. another reason i went for the auto was because i will be using the R all the time and i live in the city so changing gears all the time may not be for me although ive never driven a manual so i dunno for sure. the last reason i went with the auto was because i think they gave me a good deal on the car as well, heres the list and the price of the car:<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, I think $40k out the door is a great deal on that 06 GT. If you have never driven a MT, stick with the GT, as I honestly don't think there is a big preformance difference in the 06, the MT is just a lot more fun for some people (me included) to drive.<p>BTW: Don't stress over the miles on the car. If it had 100 from sitting on a lot for the last 5 months and a few test drives, I would not even blink at it.<p>Enjoy, <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Jim
 

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Re: Buying an 06 S60 R, need some advice and input please! (R Salesman)

wow thanks for your very informative post R Salesman. and thanks to everyone else on here so far whos helped me out. i feel a bit better about the miles now.<p>i have a question for you R Salesman, and to clarify on payment and tradein for the cars, i'll be paying for the R in cash or check and the s80 i want them to write me a check for it because im going to use that money for something else.<p>i know this may seem like a weird thing to do to some of you i dunno. but heres my question, you said, <br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R Salesman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Tax: sales tax for car purchases in NC is 3%. If there is no trade in, it is 3% of the purchase price. If there is a trade-in, then the taxable amount is the difference between the purchase price of the vehicle you're buying, and the trade-in value of the vehicle you're trading. <p>To make it easy, let's say the car you're buying is 10 grand, and your trade in is 5 grand. 10-5 = 5. So you'll be paying 3% tax on 5 grand.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>so if i end up buying this car if its got the right low number of miles on it for me, for say $40,500 for the R and the s80 tradein is 10,591(i hope i can get them to this because i just spent 291 dollars on 2 new front tires so 10,300 + 291.)<br>will the price of the R minus the amount they give me for the s80 still apply for that 3% tax if i take a check from them for the s80 and not put that money in on the R or will i have to put it in in order to get that 3% on the difference?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R Salesman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>One thing you can do, however, is ask how many miles the vehicle currently has on it (at the dealer it's at right now). Your dealer can call that dealer and get that information for you. That way you'll know for sure if your car was driven to your store or flatbedded there.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>the guy that was helping me locate a car that i wanted said he would call me on monday after 12:00 to let me know how many miles are on the car because i requested him to do so. when he does i'll ask him for the phone number to that dealership in NY so i can call and ask them about the history of that R on their lot.<p>thanks again for everyones help. i may seem a little crazy on this but i just want to get a good car. im trying to avoid all the unfortunate problems ive read about people having on here by me getting a brand new 06.<p>
 

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Re: Buying an 06 S60 R, need some advice and input please! (sk11vengeance)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sk11vengeance</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>so if i end up buying this car if its got the right low number of miles on it for me, for say $40,500 for the R and the s80 tradein is 10,591(i hope i can get them to this because i just spent 291 dollars on 2 new front tires so 10,300 + 291.)<br>will the price of the R minus the amount they give me for the s80 still apply for that 3% tax if i take a check from them for the s80 and not put that money in on the R or will i have to put it in in order to get that 3% on the difference?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>You pay tax on the purchase price of the car. If you do not trade in, you won't get the tax credit, as the trade discounts the price of the car. Cash back will not. <p>Either way, it's only $300 or so at 3%, so if the money is more valuable to you as cash, do it your way.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sk11vengeance</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and the s80 tradein is 10,591(i hope i can get them to this because i just spent 291 dollars on 2 new front tires so 10,300 + 291.)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Doubtful that you will get value for the tires. My guess is that it is already included in the appraisal. And why are you putting PZeros on an S80? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sk11vengeance</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im going to try and get them to 10,500 or 10,600, something along there, because i just bought 2 new 17" pirelli p zeros for the front and the back still has half the tread on them at least.</TD></TR></TABLE>
 
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