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335i<p>AWD<br>300hp<br>300tq<br>13.7 ventilated disc brakes<br>3500lbs<br>0-60 in 5.3 seconds<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: BMW has another 3 series R killer... (R_Rated)

<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>You should be the least concerned about this out of all of us. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: BMW has another 3 series R killer... (R_Rated)

A better more refined and balanced car? Sure. A R killer - hardly. I've seen the pricing on the 335 - you can't duplicate BMW steering feel with any aftermarket mods but in most every other respect a R plus mods for the price will keep a 335 in your rear view (or course this takes into account the pile of discounts that come with the R.)<p>If the real world street price of the base R and base 335 were the same well I'm afraid the 335 would be the better choice in most respects in my opinion.
 

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Re: BMW has another 3 series R killer... (R_Rated)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R_Rated</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">335i<p>AWD<br>300hp<br>300tq<br>13.7 ventilated disc brakes<br>3500lbs<br>0-60 in 5.3 seconds<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>there are tons of R killers out there. Sell your R and buy a real car.
 

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Re: BMW has another 3 series R killer... (gdogg16)

Looks like M3 envy downgraded to regular 3 series envy. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: BMW has another 3 series R killer... (gdogg16)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>gdogg16</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>there are tons of R killers out there. Sell your R and buy a real car.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Wouldn't trade the '04- AWD for all the tuned T5 FWD wheel-slip or viscous-coupling AWD cars in the world.<p>In the AWD world, lb. for lb or $ for $, the S60/V70R's still look like the right car for me.
 

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Nice post..... I am concluding my deal on a Euro delivery 335 on Monday.... It was between that and a 2006 Sonic Blue GT..... I had to go w/ the 335 due to the deal I got.... I will report back once I get the car but it will be a while <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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The 335 will come in sedan form and it will have AWD and a 6spd manual. Looks like an apple to me.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PhilUp</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 335 will come in sedan form and it will have AWD and a 6spd manual. Looks like an apple to me. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Dig in! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> I've never had any desire to own any BMW other than a 2002tii. And the current crop does nothing to change that perception (but then again that M6 I saw in Australia didn't look half bad at all) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by StaggRLee at 11:53 PM 7-25-2006</i>
 

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Altho those are really excellent performance numbers (I really expect no less from BMW), the 3 series are still just plain old BORING to me. Not unique at all nor is the interior all that "yay". <p>I dont see myself owning a BMW in the future but for performance they are <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> ..... style they are <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>EDIT: Well I just checked out the website and the exterior of the new 3 series coupe due in September is pretty darn good lookin. Interior probably still sux tho
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>TG850T5R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I had to go w/ the 335 due to the deal I got.... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>In a Max Hoffman tradition dating to the 1960s, BMW offers very aggressive pricing on ED with all BMWs <i>except</i> the M-cars. The ED cars also don't come out of a dealer's allotment, so they're much more willing to wheel and deal. There is also a $500 rebate to BMWCCA members if you've belonged for a year.<p><IMG SRC="http://cwimg.us.publicus.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Avis=CW&Dato=20060421&Kategori=PHOTOS01&Lopenr=421001&Ref=PH&Item=5&Maxw=600" BORDER="0"><p>I think I might be able to put up with driving one of these for the next 10 years.
 

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we dont have to forget, bmw awd sucks!!! they will never have good cars with awd systems on the earth for a few gen. Maybe the car is fast but i dont want to think on how heavy is the car. Also 13.7??? i really need to see a video of that.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PhilUp</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 335 will come in sedan form and it will have AWD and a 6spd manual. Looks like an apple to me. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not scheduled for production until March/April 2007 though. Expected price range in the mid to upper $40's decently equipped.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>gdogg16</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there are tons of R killers out there. Sell your R and buy a real car.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Amen. I am sure that all the insecure R owners out there care but for me....so what.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PhilUp</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like M3 envy downgraded to regular 3 series envy. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Here we go again. Yippeee.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>volvos60t5x</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">we dont have to forget, bmw awd sucks!!! they will never have good cars with awd systems on the earth for a few gen. Maybe the car is fast but i dont want to think on how heavy is the car. Also 13.7??? i really need to see a video of that.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>first of all... the volvo awd system is average at best. The 13.7 is the brake size. The brakes are one of the things that made me want an R.
 

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Re: BMW has another 3 series R killer... (I Roll)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>I Roll</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>You should be the least concerned about this out of all of us. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>This thing will start with 300 hp and <B>TWIN TURBOS</B>... The aftermarket for this car is going to be out of this world. The tunning potential on a turbo car? simply astounding! I bet I could take this car and tune it and walk the E46 M3 all day long.<p>An example of TT tuning.... B5 S4 starts with 240hp range; add 4,000K gets you injectors, turbos, intake, tune, exhaust. results = 450awhp and for another 1K in goodies 525awhp... folks a bi-turbo car is stupid easy to tune with TONS of potential.<p>Another example is the Supra. Stock for stock the R can easily outrun it. (for this conversation the years made, technology etc, etc, etc. just for argument sake it is irrelivant) I have one of the more heavily modded R's as does boosted but neither one of our car can remotely begin to compete with a mildly modded Supra much less a heavily modded one.
 

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Re: BMW has another 3 series R killer... (R_Rated)

Yes, I know it has a leg up on the R, but this is a newer model that has not even hit the ground yet. Hopefully, Volvo steps up to the task with the next generation S60. This no shock at all. The first Rs hit the ground in 2003. BMW has had plenty of time to develope something to top it.<p>Also, aren't the twin turbos some sort of sequential setup like the RX7? If so, I'm sure they with be able to get a nice ECU boost, but it won't be as easy as just slapping on a bigger turbo. Plus, they have not worked with turbos for a while, this car could have some major issues.
 

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Re: BMW has another 3 series R killer... (I Roll)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>I Roll</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hopefully, Volvo steps up to the task with the next generation S60. This no shock at all. The first Rs hit the ground in 2003. BMW has had plenty of time to develope something to top it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>IMO (and many others), Volvo won't play in this game. It takes too much $$$ for too little (if any) profit. Remember, Big Daddy Ford has the purse strings.
 

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Re: BMW has another 3 series R killer... (I Roll)

remeber too that I am not comparing the R to the new M. <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>I Roll</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, I know it has a leg up on the R, but this is a newer model that has not even hit the ground yet. Hopefully, Volvo steps up to the task with the next generation S60. This no shock at all. The first Rs hit the ground in 2003. BMW has had plenty of time to develope something to top it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>BMW's new middle of the road car aka t5 competition will walk the dog with the T5... The R being volvo's "flagship" car should at least have some hype.
 

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Re: BMW has another 3 series R killer... (MagoonR)

Took 'em four years after the R came out and, at least around here, there are too many look-alike 3-Series BMW's running around the streets. <p>- Polartek
 

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Re: BMW has another 3 series R killer... (R_Rated)

I hear ya, but remember when the S60T5 came out you had the 330 putting out something like 230hp and the T5 had 247. The since then BMW has come out with the E90 3 series, and Volvo hasn't changed anything. So shame on Volvo for not updating the platform, but I'm not going to think less of my R just because BWM has just as much hp in a new model. I pretty much expected it.<p>Just as a C5 Z06 owner should not be ashamed that a base C6 can run with it. That is just the trend these days.
 
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