SwedeSpeed - Volvo Performance Forum banner

1 - 20 of 90 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,341 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Yep the worst of the worst has happen. On sunday I was driving the car cause I picked it up from batlground cause the people working on the manifold for the 35R were out of town till this week. Well I was getting on the highway boosted it to about 18psi ya know no big deal drive down a mile or so get off at my exit then the low coolant light comes on when I stop at a light. I go to pull over when the light goes green, then the light goes off, so the place i was going was only about a mile from there so i drove it almost the whole way there, then the car starts spitting and sputtering, I pull over and turn the car off, the coolant running back into the res was boiling so I let it cool off for about 5 min or so. I then go to restart the car thing it just go thot cause there were no leaks at all or anything, and then this huge cloud of smoke comes out the exhaust. Ok so signs are a blown head gasket which sucks but is not terrible, so i call volvo on call get the car towed to the dealer no big deal. I order head studs and a new headgasket. My buddy takes the head apart and all to fix the headgasket and looks down into the cyl and sees a hairline crack in cyl 3, 4 , and 5 in the cyl walls. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> so the cyl expanded from too much cyl pressure sucks. Now i am taking the motor out and hopefully the block can be resleeved and I will just do the motor build earlier then I wanted to. But if the block is not saveable then I will have to buy a new motor which will suck because volvo doesnt sell just the block or just the short block, they only sell a full ready to go motor for a retail of 7,000. so we will know whats up in the next day or so. A month before Nopi and the week before our volvo meet THIS SUCKS!! For all the people coming to the meet I will still be there the whole weekend. and maybe we will all take a field trip over to see her.<p>Still on the stock turbo. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
14,831 Posts
sorry to hear that man. i have been down that road myself and its NOT fun. i know you had a lot of work into it but hopefully the block will be salvaged.<p>good luck <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
747 Posts
Re: BLOWN MOTOR! (BOOSTED S60R)

I feel sick to my stomach. Very sorry this happened to you Boosted. Best of luck with the repairs.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
3,978 Posts
Re: BLOWN MOTOR! (BOOSTED S60R)

Wow makes me want to sleeve as a prevention<p>Are you going to put a stainless head gasket now or was that what you<br>already had?<p>Of course sorry to hear
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,341 Posts
Discussion Starter · #5 ·
Re: BLOWN MOTOR! (Helmut Ranff)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Helmut Ranff</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow makes me want to sleeve as a prevention<p>Are you going to put a stainless head gasket now or was that what you<br>already had?<p>Of course sorry to hear</TD></TR></TABLE>Well volvo uses a metal headgasket on the R so All I am planning on doing with that is the headstuds, which will not allow the head to raise on high boost levels. Thanks Guys!
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
3,978 Posts
Re: BLOWN MOTOR! (BOOSTED S60R)

What I mean is a thicker stainless head gasket. You may consider it in combination with an ARP head stud kit<p>Again bad news
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,052 Posts
Re: BLOWN MOTOR! (BOOSTED S60R)

Sorry to hear that. How many miles were on your car at this point? And how many of those miles were done after the ecu mod?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
10,097 Posts
Re: BLOWN MOTOR! (Helmut Ranff)

Headgasket is pretty good. The open deck design is what makes the walls crack.<p>Sorry to hear Boosted.. On the other hand is was bound to happen but I guess you know that.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,846 Posts
Re: BLOWN MOTOR! (BOOSTED S60R)

Who had the block? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I had the #2 connecting rod and head gasket squares in the pool. I don't think anyone had the block. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Seriously though that's a bummer Boosted.<p>You may as well take Volvo out of the picture. As I see it your two best options are a salvage block that you rebuild or a short block from VMS @ $5500.<p><IMG SRC="http://www.vmsperformance.com/ProductImage/ProdlargerP0016-1343.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://www.vmsperformance.com/850-Series-P0016.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vmsperformance.com/....html</A><p><I>"Stronger, faster. We can rebuild him."</I>
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
148 Posts
Re: BLOWN MOTOR! (BOOSTED S60R)

Sorry to hear what happened <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"><p>But I do have a MY05 complete engine lying around. I could have it shipped to the us pronto if you are interested in it. It only has about 3000 miles on it before I switched it out for a built MY04 engine <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p> <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=54533" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=54533</A> <p>If you are interested in purchasing it, PM me. Blot has seen the engine and it is in perfect working condition.<p>All you need is a new timing belt.<p>Let me know.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
14,831 Posts
Re: BLOWN MOTOR! (DisCom)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DisCom</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry to hear what happened <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"><p>But I do have a MY05 complete engine lying around. I could have it shipped to the us pronto if you are interested in it. It only has about 3000 miles on it before I switched it out for a built MY04 engine <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p> <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=54533" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=54533</A> <p>If you are interested in purchasing it, PM me. Blot has seen the engine and it is in perfect working condition.<p>All you need is a new timing belt.<p>Let me know.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>and a light shines down on boosted!!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,846 Posts
Re: BLOWN MOTOR! (phuz)

Hate to see what SAL air freight would run. Get that puppy crated and on a ship pronto if the price is right Boosted! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,814 Posts
Did you try taking the car to the dealer and see if they will fix it under warranty? Lol.<p>You should bring the car to the meet as is. That would be a good education for people to see the engine the way it is.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,052 Posts
Re: BLOWN MOTOR! (BOOSTED S60R)

My sympathies! You are a pioneer, with all the glory and pain that goes along with that.<p>As usual, I am inclined to play the armchair quarterback. I suspect detonation as the root cause of this catastrophic failure. The repeated hammering and vibrating of the cylinder can cause the walls to fail. Combustion gas would then force it's way out to the coolant, over-pressuring the coolant system and cause the symptoms you describe. The loss of coolant would then cause overheating with it's own consequences. <p>Look for telltale signs of detonation; aluminum specks on the sparkplug electrode, pitting on the piston crown, etc.<p>OK, this is really bad for you (or more specifically, your checkbook), but there is much that can be learned here. As the forensic work continues, try to reveal the root cause...<p>Was the root cause detonation? If so, the best ARP studs and a new gasket will not prevent a recurrence. Your "tune" may have been just too aggressive for the octane, temps, etc.<p>Did the head gasket fail first? If so, perhaps the bores were secondary failures. Study the gasket to see if it got "torched" by gasses escaping the combustion chamber. If so, studs may help. If the bores failed due to loss of coolant, you would expect to see a lot of scuffing and scoring of the bores and piston skirts. <p>The increased cylinder pressure from extra boost and N2O is tough on the power cylinder, but usually tolerable as long as normal combustion is maintained. If knock is thrown into the mix, ain't nothin' gonna survive long.<p>Again, sorry to hear about this. I do think, however, that the Swedespeed community can benefit from your experiences. Please keep us informed.<br>
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
3,121 Posts
Re: BLOWN MOTOR! (Dyno)

Here's my theory:<p>Your thermostat stuck, which caused your engine to overheat, thereby warping the cylinder head (which caused blow over into the coolant, blah blah blah). Your coolant temp sensor also went out, which is why you thought it wasn't overheating. Overheating could also be the culprit for the cracked cylinder walls. <p>ANYTIME your vehicle starts to overheat, I would recommend IMMEDIATELY shutting down and pulling over, and have the vehicle towed. Better safe than sorry.<p>Nevertheless, sorry for your loss Boosted. But here's a <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> for your soon-to-be built engine!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,052 Posts
Re: BLOWN MOTOR! (R Salesman)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R Salesman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here's my theory:<p>Your thermostat stuck!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That would make it a warrantable failure wouldn't it? <p>Food for thought.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,052 Posts
Re: BLOWN MOTOR! (R Salesman)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R Salesman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Your coolant temp sensor also went out, which is why you thought it wasn't overheating. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Actually, what typically happens in cases like this is that when the coolant gets blown out, the sensor is now reading AIR, which is less than the 250 degrees or so that trips the overheat light, so the light goes out.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
3,121 Posts
Re: BLOWN MOTOR! (Dyno)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dyno</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That would make it a warrantable failure wouldn't it? <p>Food for thought.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Exactly. Which, of course, will be denied.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
14,831 Posts
Re: BLOWN MOTOR! (Dyno)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dyno</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, what typically happens in cases like this is that when the coolant gets blown out, the sensor is now reading AIR, which is less than the 250 degrees or so that trips the overheat light, so the light goes out.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i thought the air got hotter...<br>when i had my blazer, i had a coolant leak and it started pushing air, and it caused the temp. gauge to SPIKE and throw a code.<p>
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,052 Posts
Re: BLOWN MOTOR! (phuz)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i thought the air got hotter...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Perhaps you are right initially, but eventually, since air cannot carry the heat away from the engine, the metal bits get hotter and the air in the empty cooling system gets cooler.<p>I suppose the location of the sensor would have an impact.
 
1 - 20 of 90 Posts
Top