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My wife just destroyed 2 PS2's with a giant invisible pothole. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> My tires have about 12000 miles on them so there's a fair amount of wear. I'm thinking I should replace all 4 tires instead of just the 2. What's the general consensus about replacing individual tires? A $500 mistake is one thing, but when it turns into a $1K mistake, it hurts.
 

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Re: Blew 2 PS2's, replace all 4? (ohmyearache)

12,000 miles is about all the life I expect to get out of my PS2's. I'd be thankful they didn't have 5k on them or something.
 

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Re: Blew 2 PS2's, replace all 4? (llabahn)

Well my PZeros lasted 11k, so I was hoping that the PS2's would last at least 15k. There's still plenty of tread left.
 

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Re: Blew 2 PS2's, replace all 4? (ohmyearache)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ohmyearache</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My wife just destroyed 2 PS2's with a giant invisible pothole. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> My tires have about 12000 miles on them so there's a fair amount of wear. I'm thinking I should replace all 4 tires instead of just the 2. What's the general consensus about replacing individual tires? A $500 mistake is one thing, but when it turns into a $1K mistake, it hurts.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, that hurts. <p>Call Michelin, see what they say. When I asked about the PS1's on my T5 they said it was fine to replace just two but was important to keep them paired by axle. They also said that the new ones should be put on the front (or was it the back? I can't remember, sorry) but they were specific on this point. Might be different recommendation for AWD any way so best bet is to call and ask.<p>LTA<br>
 

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Re: Blew 2 PS2's, replace all 4? (ohmyearache)

Depending on how many miles you have on the R overall, you should see if you can get the extended road hazard warantee from your dealer and buy the tires through them. If you can then replace all 4.<p>I don't have all the details (I'm sure that one of the Volvo reps can comment) but when I replaced my Rossos with PS2s it basically cost an extra tire and if I get a blow out it is covered, any rim damage from a blow out is covered, etc. <p>It does NOT cover curb rash, but it still seemed like a good option to me. I think the plan is good for 4 yrs or 48K miles as long as the dealer installs the tires and replacements in that time period.<p>I'll have to dig up the brochure, but it seemed like a good deal with the way that potholes can eat tires and pegs.<p>-Ben
 

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Re: Blew 2 PS2's, replace all 4? (bcantana)

I wouldn't have THAT much disparity between the front and the rear on an AWD even if it is a Haldex, that's playing with fire. You MUST replace two anyway and being that worn, buying new 4 tires is a no brainer here<br>GET A WHEEL AND TIRE WARRANTY this time, worth every penny
 

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Re: Blew 2 PS2's, replace all 4? (JRL)

I've had this happen to me two times now with two different sets of PS2's - I'll get 5-8k on a new set of tires, then I'll get a screw in one. Every time I've called the tire rack on this they say that they wouldn't recommend more than a 2mm tread depth variance, so my road hazard warranty would cover one tire, and I'd buy the second.<p>both times the tires were within 2mm with 5k, but there is no way you would be with 12k on the tires. I would definitely get a set of four.
 

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Haldex told me that for the R and most recent Volvos with the newer setup it's not as critical as you might think. Either the system will shut down or it won't (and there's no permanent damage if it does - you're just driving a FWD car at that point.)<p>Essentially I learned that as long as you're within 5/32" for tire depths you should be just fine (and one option to consider if you are close but slightly over is to get your newer tires shaved a bit by a tire shop.)
 

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Re: Blew 2 PS2's, replace all 4? (ohmyearache)

IMO, 4 new tires and save the remaining two for possible future mishaps.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Token</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would just replace the two that are blown if they are on the same axle. If not, move the unblown one to the rear axle and make sure two new ones are on the front. Because it is mostly a FWD car, your front tires are more important I think.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>That goes without saying, however if he leaves the two almost <B>worn out</B> pair on the rear (or <B>anywhere</B> for that matter) his R will handle like S**t, the grip on both ends will be very different.<br>Please bite the bullet and buy all four, it's the wise choice<br><B>And rotate every 5 K miles</B>
 

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Since I only get 10,000 miles out of a set of PS2's, I would be getting 4 tires at 11,000 miles anyway. If your wife hit the pot hole hard enough to blow 2 tires, you should also plan on having an all wheel drive car alignment, preferably at the dealership. <br> On a side note, I did the same thing a couple months ago. two tires, two wheels, and an alignment. I sent a copy of my invoices to the terrific state of Nevada, and they paid every penny. In less than 30 days!! Try that in California. oclv
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>That goes without saying, however if he leaves the two almost <B>worn out</B> pair on the rear (or <B>anywhere</B> for that matter) his R will handle like S**t, the grip on both ends will be very different.<br>Please bite the bullet and buy all four, it's the wise choice<br><B>And rotate every 5 K miles</B></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree. As a more extreme example it would be like putting snow tires on the front and leaving summers on the rear. You WILL spin out, guranteed! (did that on the old 850T wagon once, BIG mistake)<p>I should have also said in my earlier posting that I went on the cheap and replaced only two tires because I knew I would not be keeping my T5 long. By the way: PS1's look WAY different when new compared with the ones that had 50,000Km on them. I think PS2's will be the same considering how the sipes on the outside tread blocks are very shallow.<p>LTA
 

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Re: Blew 2 PS2's, replace all 4? (ohmyearache)

Eric, I did the exact same thing a couple years ago and lost two tires to two potholes in a span of a minute. The City of SF paid for my two tires. You may want to ask the town of Windsor if you have any recourse for pothole damage. Eventually I changed all four when the remaining two tires wore out.
 

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Re: Blew 2 PS2's, replace all 4? (llabahn)

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Token</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would just replace the two that are blown if they are on the same axle. If not, move the unblown one to the rear axle and make sure two new ones are on the front. Because it is mostly a FWD car, your front tires are more important I think.</TD></TR></TABLE><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> the BEST tires should always be at the rear!!!!<br>With poor rear tires the back will break loose too sudden and if that happens the car will be part of the landscape (with poor rear tires you will NEVER be able to counterreact when it goes!).<p>READ AS:<br>It's safer to have understeer and go wide THAN to make a 180° spin and have NO control at all!!!
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JARMO</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> the BEST tires should always be at the rear!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>And you'll wear the "already worn" front tires out even quicker causing a greater tread depth mismatch? It may be AWD but as we all know, the fronts wear a lot faster than the rears due to the FWD bias.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JARMO</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> the BEST tires should always be at the rear!!!!<br>With poor rear tires the back will break loose too sudden and if that happens the car will be part of the landscape (with poor rear tires you will NEVER be able to counterreact when it goes!).<p>READ AS:<br>It's safer to have understeer and go wide THAN to make a 180° spin and have NO control at all!!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> Couldn't have said it better. This is exactly what Michelin posts as proper tire care on their website. <p>At this point though, all four should just be replaced. Perhaps PS2's are just not the way to go with 18" Pegs considering how many blow-outs they have had recently.
 
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