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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (basirico)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>basirico</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are bi-xenon headlights worth the extra expense? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>YES!
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (basirico)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>basirico</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are bi-xenon headlights worth the extra expense? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>See if you can take a test drive after dark and then decide for yourself.<p>NO, in my opinion.<br>They are better, but the stock head lights are good enough.<br>You can test drive different models, if C70 is in a short supply. All Volvos have similar bi-xenons.
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (basirico)

I asked myself the same question prior to ordering our OSD V50 T5 AWD. To answer the question, I suggest you drive two Volvos at night back to back; one with and one without bi-xenons. I hadn't driven 200ft in the bi-xenon equipped Volvo before I made up my mind.<p>Tell your salesperson that's what you need to do to make up your mind on that $700 option....<p>
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (Volvo6850)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Volvo6850</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>All Volvos have similar bi-xenons.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>MY07 Volvos do. MY06 and earlier, do not. MY04-MY06 S40/V50s and MY06 C70s have totally different bi-xenons than the other Volvos.<p>Yannis
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (GrecianVolvo)

Hey Yannis, how are they different? I've been trying to figure out why my my bi-xenons also have a 9005 halogen high beam bulb.
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (Stuvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Stuvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey Yannis, how are they different? I've been trying to figure out why my my bi-xenons also have a 9005 halogen high beam bulb.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What do you mean how are they different? They are different from the P2x cars' bi-xenons in their entire construction.<p>Your car's bi-xenons have the halogen high beam to aod the projector light bulb, the way it should be with the bi-xenons of the P2x car. But some "genius" decided that should not be the case with those cars. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yannis
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (GrecianVolvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>MY07 Volvos do. MY06 and earlier, do not. MY04-MY06 S40/V50s and MY06 C70s have totally different bi-xenons than the other Volvos.<p>Yannis</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The word similar does not mean the same, and the difference in construction is pretty much irrelevant, as far as the additional light intensity is concerned; you still can test ANY Volvo bi-xenons to decide whether the difference in lighting conditions is worth of your money.
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (Volvo6850)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Volvo6850</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>The word similar does not mean the same, and the difference in construction is pretty much irrelevant, as far as the additional light intensity is concerned; you still can test ANY Volvo bi-xenons to decide whether the difference in lighting conditions is worth of your money.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No you cannot. Drive , for example, a MY04-MY06 S60 R and drive a MY07 S60 2.5T with bi-xenons...drive them one after the other on a dark road...BIG difference (in the favor of the MY07 S60, of course).<p>Yannis
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (GrecianVolvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>No you cannot. Drive , for example, a MY04-MY06 S60 R and drive a MY07 S60 2.5T with bi-xenons...drive them one after the other on a dark road...BIG difference (in the favor of the MY07 S60, of course).<p>Yannis</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I am sorry, but that contradicts your own theory, because both cars are P2 based...<p>And I even did not find the difference between the bi-xenons and regular halogen significant enough and opted out of bi-xenons on both of my Volvos. The stock head lights are definitely good enough for me. I found even less significant difference between the newer and older bi-xenons, except the "active" option, where head lights are pivoting.
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (Volvo6850)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Volvo6850</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I am sorry, but that contradicts your own theory, because both cars are P2 based...</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>-> <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>MY07 Volvos do. MY06 and earlier, do not.</TD></TR></TABLE>
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (Volvo6850)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Volvo6850</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I am sorry, but that contradicts your own theory, because both cars are P2 based...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>P2x cars have had bi-xenon lights from MY05 and on. From MY05 until MY06, they had a CERTAIN type of bi-xenon lights available. They were not very effective and (IMO) a complete waste of money. Starting with MY07, the P2x cars got the same type of bi-xenon lights as those in the MY04-present P1x cars (S40/V50/C70) models. These are among the BEST bi-xenon lights in the business. And the MY07 XC90s have gotten an improved variation of these lights called "adaptive bi-xenons" where the light assembly turns up to 15 degrees in the direction of the steeing wheel turns. Is this more clear?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And I even did not find the difference between the bi-xenons and regular halogen significant enough and opted out of bi-xenons on both of my Volvos.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You did not spend enough time to test them. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The stock head lights are definitely good enough for me.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I agree with you. Volvo's regular halogen headlights are VERY good.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I found even less significant difference between the newer and older bi-xenons, except the "active" option, where head lights are pivoting.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am sorry but you will have to take my word for that. You only tried them for a few minutes. I have tried them FOR YEARS. I know, for sure, that the projector-style bi-xenons (MY04-present S40/V50/C70 and MY07 P2x cars) are WAY better than the very good Volvo halogen head lights.<p>Yannis
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (Volvo6850)

Sorry to join late-<p>Yes the xenon lights are worth it...<p>It has always been easy for me to tell the difference between the halogens and xenons....<p>The difference is like...... hmmmmmmmm....... let me see..... night and day!!<p>No, Volvo's aren't the best, but they do offer a big upgrade from the halogens.... Definitely worth it!!!
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (dugums)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>dugums</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry to join late-<p>Yes the xenon lights are worth it...<p>It has always been easy for me to tell the difference between the halogens and xenons....<p>The difference is like...... hmmmmmmmm....... let me see..... night and day!!<p>No, Volvo's aren't the best, but they do offer a big upgrade from the halogens.... Definitely worth it!!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Let's not start all over with this. The previous bi-xenons (and still current even in MY07 R models) are not very good. The rest of the cars, have KICK-A$$ bi-xenons. These lights are among he BEST in their class.<p>Yannis
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (GrecianVolvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The previous bi-xenons (and still current even in MY07 R models) are not very good</TD></TR></TABLE><p>This is only for US cars valid though...
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (GrecianVolvo)

I was not trying to get anything 'started' again....<p>Despite how BAD the US lights are/were, IMO they are still a BIG improvement over the halogens.... I was just trying to anser the original posters question...
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (BenES)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BenES</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>This is only for US cars valid though... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Absolutely. You guys always go the best headlights. But, you should since your Volvos cost at least 65% more than ours...<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yannis
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (GrecianVolvo)

Basirico,<br>I think we have gone far away from tje original question.<br>There is no doubt, that bi-xenon are brighter than the halogen, but I hold my ground - take a test drive, and see if the stock headlights are GOOD ENOUGH for you.<p>They are - to me, and therefore, there is no reason to pay extra $700 for something that you are not going to utilize much.<p>I drive 99% in LA, and no matter how good or how bad my headlights are it makes absolutely no difference. <br>The only practical side of bi-xenons here is to infuriate some drivers going toward you on opposite side of a street.<p>I can not tell you how many drivers of "lesser" cars are really upset with those "ambitious" owners of BMWs. Audis, MBs, Volvos, etc. with bi-xenons.<p>For real, my cousin who is driving "regular" Nissan Maxima, has promised to get his rifle out and start hunting those bastards with theirs "blue" (bi-xenon) head lights. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (Volvo6850)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Volvo6850</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Basirico,<br>I think we have gone far away from tje original question.<br>There is no doubt, that bi-xenon are brighter than the halogen, but I hold my ground - take a test drive, and see if the stock headlights are GOOD ENOUGH for you.<p>They are - to me, and therefore, there is no reason to pay extra $700 for something that you are not going to utilize much.<p>I drive 99% in LA, and no matter how good or how bad my headlights are it makes absolutely no difference. <br>The only practical side of bi-xenons here is to infuriate some drivers going toward you on opposite side of a street.<p>I can not tell you how many drivers of "lesser" cars are really upset with those "ambitious" owners of BMWs. Audis, MBs, Volvos, etc. with bi-xenons.<p>For real, my cousin who is driving "regular" Nissan Maxima, has promised to get his rifle out and start hunting those bastards with theirs "blue" (bi-xenon) head lights. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I was going to drop this but I will have to step in, AGAIN, to correct some of your <i>misconceptions</i>.<p>First of all, yes, the halogen lights are very good but the bi-xenons for the C70s BY FAR superior to the halogens. Especially on high beam.<p>Second, the bi-xenons (on low beam) of the C70 will NOT blind nor infuriate drivers coming from the opposite direction. I have faced MANY S40/V50 and some C70 cars with bi-xenons and their low beams were not blinding at all. There is also certain technology (the lighted ring around the projector bulb) to ensure that the drivers from the opposite direction will focus on that rather than the actual light, should they not avert their eyes.<p>As far as your cousin is concerned, I suggest an increased dose of Valium or get started on Paxil... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yannis
 

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Re: bi-xenons worth the extra money? (GrecianVolvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I was going to drop this but I will have to step in, AGAIN, to correct some of your <i>misconceptions</i>.<p>First of all, yes, the halogen lights are very good but the bi-xenons for the C70s BY FAR superior to the halogens. Especially on high beam.<p>Second, the bi-xenons (on low beam) of the C70 will NOT blind nor infuriate drivers coming from the opposite direction. I have faced MANY S40/V50 and some C70 cars with bi-xenons and their low beams were not blinding at all. There is also certain technology (the lighted ring around the projector bulb) to ensure that the drivers from the opposite direction will focus on that rather than the actual light, should they not avert their eyes.<p>As far as your cousin is concerned, I suggest an increased dose of Valium or get started on Paxil... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yannis</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yannis,<br>We are talking apples and oranges here. I could not remember when I have driven with the high beams, and you keep telling me how GOOD the bi-xenon high beams are. I AGREE, bi-xenons ARE better. But, once again, the point is - WHY do I need them? WHAT do I pay $700 for?<p>For me - for NOTHING, I have no use for them, going through the typical LA driving. That is the point of view (I admit, different from yours, but still - a point of view) that I am trying to present.<p>Please, get off your high "Techno-expert" horse, and listen to the average Volvo drivers. I have no misconceptions, I just face those bi-xenons every day on a freeway, or even worse, on a two lane surface street, and wish I could legally switch to the high beam.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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