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I recently bought an S60R second hand on a lease return and noticed that shifting into 2nd, 4th and 6th did not feel 'solid'. Any attempt to shift into gear quickly was followed by a lag (up to .5 sec) before the gear felt like it had locked in. I took the car into local Volvo dealer and they had indicated that I had bent the gear shift. They sounded totally amazed that this had even happened and indicated to me that the car must have been raced and speed-shifted for this large piece of metal to have bent. They fixed it and I got the car back though it was not covered under warranty. Once returned the shifting felt pretty solid though there was still a bit of a feeling that something was catching occasionally during my shifts. I noticed this happening getting into 1st and going from 3rd to 4th. There could have been other gears involved but I don't recall which were causing me problems.<p>I took the car out 3 days after getting it back and pushed it fairly hard in third gear. When I shifted into 4th (with the clutch) I applied more force than usual when shifting but not what I would consider particularly hard. It had felt like something again was catching but before I had a chance to back off I had already let out the clutch. The 4th gear engaged but not before I heard a noticable cracking sound. Now, it is shifting exactly the same was as it was prior to getting it fixed with 2nd, 4th and 6th feeling like there is a lag getting them into gear (actually it has a hard time engaging reverse as well). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I will obviously need to take the car back to Volvo but I'm afraid that this does not seem normal (and being the 2nd owner I don't really have a strong sense for what normal is with the vehicle). Has this happened to other folks? What could cause the gear shift to bend so easily?<p>I'm getting quite frustrated as while I really love the car, I fear it may not be up to being driven hard. Equally frustrating is that I didn't even think I was shifting that hard.<p>Help! I need to know if this is normal or not and whether or not applying more force than usual on shifts is likely to cause problems. If it is just a problem with the R then I might look at selling it and getting something else. If it's just a problem with my R then I want to get to the root of the problem as this is not sustainable from a $$ perspective!<p>Any thoughts you can offer are much appreciated!<br>
 

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Re: Bent Gear Selector Arm...Again? (blundy)

Sounds more like that something that holds the cables, at the trans. end, moved... I really doubt any bending occurred. However, that may have caused something within the transmission to be damaged due to partial engagement<p>
 

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Re: Bent Gear Selector Arm...Again? (blundy)

Are you JACKED?? hehe. Sounds goofy... I wonder if the former owner messed with the tranny at all, sounds like something might not be lining up. Or, maybe you are an ogre! J/K.
 

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Re: Bent Gear Selector Arm...Again? (JimLill)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JimLill</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sounds more like that something that holds the cables, at the trans. end, moved... I really doubt any bending occurred. However, that may have caused something within the transmission to be damaged due to partial engagement<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I would agree with Jim, I can't see how anything would be bent unless you're really forcing it in. Sounds more like the TNN for the difficult to engage transmission.
 

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Re: Bent Gear Selector Arm...Again? (needsdecaf)

Thanks for the posts folks.<p>I will call my dealer tomorrow and see what they say...with any luck they can find the root issue to my problem.<p>By the way, you mention a TNN regarding the difficult to engage transmission. I actually had this serviced about a month or so ago as I was having a great deal of difficulty getting into 1st and reverse when the vehicle was left over night. The dealer mentioned that it was a known problem and promptly had it fixed. I didn't know if I was dealing with related or unrelated issues and while it improved how smooth it felt shifting into 1st & reverse it did not resolve the problem of feeling 'soft' getting into 2nd, 4th & 6th.<p>Anyhow, thanks again for the feedback...much appreciated.
 

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Re: Bent Gear Selector Arm...Again? (blundy)

What exactly did they replace the first time? Is there a part number on your invoice?<p>A slushy 2-4-6 sounds to me like a loose or sticky cable. There are two in a kind of X-Y grid, that connect to a rather amazing actuator that reaches down into the transmission. There are little arms on top of it that the cables yank on. In other words, the shift feel could be a different problem, with the same root cause however.<p>Tom.
 

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Re: Bent Gear Selector Arm...Again? (tmtalpey)

The part that was replaced was the Gear Shift Lever...Part #30651390. When describing the labor performed it said 'replaced gear selector arm as diagnosed. Now shifting correctly'. And it was...though no longer.<br>When looking at the gear shift, it does almost appear bent. When in 3rd gear, there is approximately 3/4 inches from the gear shift lever to the top of the spaceball (where the it looks like the ball ends). When in 4th, there is only maybe 1/4 inch. For the brief 2 day period that this was working I tend to think that the gear shift felt more 'centered'.<p>Again, thanks for the help.
 

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Re: Bent Gear Selector Arm...Again? (blundy)

that part is indeed the shift lever your hand goes on. It is pretty stout, and I find it difficult to believe you could bend it.
 

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Re: Bent Gear Selector Arm...Again? (JimLill)

Much less, bend it and not rip the console out of the car. I have to say it sounds like these guys might be fixing the wrong thing. Can you describe (or take a pic)? Bent high or low, left or right, generally cockeyed, etc?<p>And, are you saying the Spaceball floats on the shaft, and it drops down farther in 1-3-5 than in 2-4-6? You'd have to check that against another R but it certainly sounds as if the mechanism isn't properly aligned.<p>Tom.
 

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Re: Bent Gear Selector Arm...Again? (tmtalpey)

#2 is the part<p><IMG SRC="http://www.r-series.org/shifter2.jpg" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Bent Gear Selector Arm...Again? (blundy)

I am a little confused here. You said on your first visit they replaced the interior shift shaft? So have they done the classic difficult to engage when cold, or not? That work is an all day job and does require transmission removal, and lubrication of the input shaft.<p>Perhaps the interior shift shaft was bent by a frustrated driver that could not get a gear engaged when cold?<p>If the transmission has been removed to do the TNN related to cold engagement, there is a good chance that the cables were not properly attached and/or an adjustment not done properly. I would have them continue to try to get it right.<p>When the adjustment is right, the shifting is very smooth and direct, in spite of being a cable linkage. Don't let the dealer go down a path of "they all do that".
 

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Re: Bent Gear Selector Arm...Again? (rogersampson)

Thanks to everyone for the posts...I really do appreciate it.<p>Yes, they did do the classic 'difficult to engage when cold' problem a few months back. This problem has certainly decreased significantly (hard to engage 1st & reverse when first starting in morning).<p>I finally got my R into volvo to have a look and they said they needed to order a 'bunch of new parts' to fix the problem. All work and parts were completed under warranty so I'm much relieved that this didn't turn into a $1k+ job.<p>The invoice listing was as follows:<p>**********************<br>43203-2 Gear /Selector cable assembly replacing<p> 17 WV40 0.50<br> 28 WV40 1.21<br> 1.71<br> 1 30651385 Housing<br> 1 30735283 Gear Shift Cable<br> 1 30759078 Lock Ring<br>43214-2 Gear Selector Replace<br> 28 WV40 1.00<br>88238-2 Tunnel Compartment Replace<br> 28 WV40 0.70<p>Desc: 33149 Removed centre console and inspected gearshift cables. Shifter cable fell out of place again. Ordered new shifter housing and cables. Found shifter cable support broken causing cables to come loose. Replace shifter cables and retest. Normal shift after repair.<br>**********************<p>Now, the shifter 'feels' like it is in the right position and the shifting feels far more solid. Still, I feel like it is occasionally 'catching' something when changing gears. Shifting between 3rd and 4th gears (both ways) is particularly troublesome though it is intermittent and difficult to reproduce. Anyhow, this is a difficult symptom to describe without an appreciation for how the shifting felt originally (2nd owner). I think I will bring it back to Volvo and let them take it for a spin and tell me. I don't want to leave it the way it is for fear of doing damage in a hard shift because something catches and I release the clutch before being fully in gear...which I think is what happened this past time.<p>Anyhow, thanks again folks, this forum is an extremely valuable source of information...keep up the good work!
 

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Re: Bent Gear Selector Arm...Again? (blundy)

If it catches hard, then I'd take it in for a readjustment. If it's slight, I'd drive it for a while and see how things behave. The new parts will settle in over time, might get better in fact.<p>The 3-4 shift is an odd one to be troublesome. That's right in the middle of the mechanism and generally one of the smoothest engagements.<p>Tom.
 

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Thanks to everyone for the posts...I really do appreciate it.<p>Yes, they did do the classic 'difficult to engage when cold' problem a few months back. This problem has certainly decreased significantly (hard to engage 1st & reverse when first starting in morning).<p>I finally got my R into volvo to have a look and they said they needed to order a 'bunch of new parts' to fix the problem. All work and parts were completed under warranty so I'm much relieved that this didn't turn into a $1k+ job.<p>The invoice listing was as follows:<p>**********************<br>43203-2 Gear /Selector cable assembly replacing<p> 17 WV40 0.50<br> 28 WV40 1.21<br> 1.71<br> 1 30651385 Housing<br> 1 30735283 Gear Shift Cable<br> 1 30759078 Lock Ring<br>43214-2 Gear Selector Replace<br> 28 WV40 1.00<br>88238-2 Tunnel Compartment Replace<br> 28 WV40 0.70<p>Desc: 33149 Removed centre console and inspected gearshift cables. Shifter cable fell out of place again. Ordered new shifter housing and cables. Found shifter cable support broken causing cables to come loose. Replace shifter cables and retest. Normal shift after repair.<br>**********************<p>Now, the shifter 'feels' like it is in the right position and the shifting feels far more solid. Still, I feel like it is occasionally 'catching' something when changing gears. Shifting between 3rd and 4th gears (both ways) is particularly troublesome though it is intermittent and difficult to reproduce. Anyhow, this is a difficult symptom to describe without an appreciation for how the shifting felt originally (2nd owner). I think I will bring it back to Volvo and let them take it for a spin and tell me. I don't want to leave it the way it is for fear of doing damage in a hard shift because something catches and I release the clutch before being fully in gear...which I think is what happened this past time.<p>Anyhow, thanks again folks, this forum is an extremely valuable source of information...keep up the good work!
That looks like a lot of parts that they replaced and mine is not under any kind of warranty. Did they say how much that would've cost if it wasn't under warranty?

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