What's wrong with the 40's?? They don't come in manual transmission (yet) and they look like a Honda, not a european car. The 40's are boring. Some modern Hyundai's are more visually appealing to me than a 40. <p>Also, they're overpriced in my opinion. For that price I can pick up a VERY NICE used S70 T5 that is much faster, more luxurious and has more curb appeal than a 40.
You can buy MANY USED cars over a NEW S40...that is not a fair comparison.<p>So, what does a Camry have over an S40 other than more space? Safety? HAHAHA! Have you seen the latest crash results of the new Camry? A JOKE! Handling? Hahahaha! Acceleration? Hahahaha! Ergonomics? Hahahaha! Looks? Hahahahahah! Warranty coverage? Hahahahaha! I am tired of laughing so I will stop now.<p><br>Yannis
congrats yannis that was a point for you!<p>all you guys spreading negaive thoughts around volvos... be prepared to see nothing else then a big fat "R" overtaking YOU <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>c <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emexclaim.gif" BORDER="0">
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>What's wrong with the 40's?? They don't come in manual transmission (yet) and they look like a Honda, not a european car. The 40's are boring. Some modern Hyundai's are more visually appealing to me than a 40. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>No T4 in the states, either. If they offered a T4M at a price close to the current 40 series offereings, it might draw some interest.
My brother has an S40. While it doesn't have quite the snob appeal of the S60, or a hot performance model (in the U.S. anyway), it is still quite a good car. It is definitely NOT slow - the LPT 1.9 has about 0.001sec of lag before the torque rolls on. And the quality feel and atmosphere of the cockpit is a cut above the Camry/Accord group. <p>I think the lack of a performance model is what really hurts its image. People fall in love with the hot R/S/GTI editions of many cars, but most end up buying the lesser models for economic/insurance/reliability/family issues. Without that S40R to aspire to, a lot of people view the S40 as another Accord wannabe.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> the LPT 1.9 has about 0.001sec of lag before the torque rolls on.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>I am <U>very interested</U> in how you were able to measure this...very precise!<p><BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Without that S40R to aspire to, a lot of people view the S40 as another Accord wannabe. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>You may have missed an important point, here; the S40 <U>never</U> aspired to be an Accord. I do think though that the Honda folks are aspiring to be as safe as a Volvo, not that they have accomplished that...<p>Yannis
My sister just bought a 02 S40 this week. Its a cool little car. It stickered for 27k the dealer GAVE it to her for $21525. It is fully loaded. I drove it. While its not as refined as my C70. Its way better than alot of other cars in that catagory. You get more for the money with the S40. These days what does 20k buy you in a new car?? Not much and thats sad, but thats reality. My family couldnt believe you can buy a Volvo for 20k. They were shocked to say the least. Thats my .02 cents worth. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Too bad that's not advertised more. I think that's a more realistic price for the car as it places it squarely against it's closest rival here in the states, the Jetta GLS 1.8T.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>'03s also have $3,000 cash-back.<p>Yannis
I may be considering a new car next year, an S40 because that would be the only new car in my range that I wouldn't hate. I also want nothing other than a Volvo. If I don't get that than the 850R 5 speed will be on the finders list for me. If the '03 S40 came in a stick, likely the desision would be final. For the "offordable" Volvo it's really strange there is no 5-speed manual feature, my only gripe about the car. I've driven the S40 (demo car) and I've driven the S80T-6 so I think can guage the difference in top to bottom Volvo range at least in first driving impressions. The S40 seems pretty good. I'd definately also want to drop a new exhaust and know that there is more I can do over the long haul, but I get attached to my vehicles and generally keep them a long time. No complaints about the interior either, seems ergonomic for someone like me. The stock radio seems to be the worst thing Volvo has ever sold, but who keeps those anyway?