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Well I'm currently searching for an R to purchase and I'd really like to get the manual but it seems MUCH harder to find that I originally thought. Out of the handful of dealerships I have called, none of them have a MT in stock (nor do they expect one). I drove the auto and it still felt pretty peppy but probably not as peppy as the MT. <p>So Im just wondering, if I do end up getting an auto tranny, are there any available upgrades that will firm up the shifts and not make it so spongy? It seems like if the slow shift (an automatic tranny downfall) was taken out the 6.4s 0-60 time would be nicely improved.<p>I did a little bit of searchin but to no avail so I figured I'd just ask. Thanks for any info!
 

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Re: Auto vs MT (Tekk)

If you are really looking for a manual and you settle for an auto, then you would probably end up regretting it, just because it wasn't what you really wanted. I'm sure that R Salesman, Yannis or others could probably help you out in your search if there are any to be had at this point. <p>As for the auto, to improve the engine there are always ecu upgrades. It'll add hp and torque and greatly improve shifts, but do this at your own risk to your warranty.
 

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Manual V70R up in Seattle in Sonic Blue ready to be bought at Ravena Volvo.
 

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Re: Auto vs MT (Tekk)

You have to search a little, but manuals are out there. I found mine on autotrader, and I did a quick search within 50 miles of your zip code and saw three of them, all used, but at least you could try the manual, and if you like it, save some money over a new one. If you really want a manual, I would not settle for anything else.
 

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I would agree, if you're after a manual, get a manual. I have a GT (auto) and while it's ok, I'd rather have a manual. However, it's my wife's car hence the compromise. As much as ECU's will improve the torque limiting or help tighten up the shifts, it's not a manual. I like the GT for the most part, but it's not a manual. Are you sensing a theme here? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>It sounds like you're looking to get a new car? If so, just order one! If what has been said is true and the R's are continuing in '07, order one custom. Do an Overseas Delivery (OSD). Great program and saves $. <p>Or, if you're looking for stock, get one of our sales guys on here to help...I'm sure they would be happy to.<p>Good luck! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I test drove both. An auto ( the 5spd) and I have the MT. The difference is night and day. Don't settle. From personal experience, I would've hated it if I had an auto (but only on days when I'm not stuck in bumper to bumper traffic).
 

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The reply just above says it all -"when NOT in traffic..."<br>I drove both and had loved manual shifting. In the '04's the clutch engage point was high off the floor and had a very narrow sensitive point, so in frequent rush hour traffic, the clutch is a killer. Got the auto, and even in an '04 never missed the clutch. The auto can still get you tickets plenty fast enough. <p>You live in LA, I am near SF, the traffic is always bad, realllly think this through, the 06 auto is very nice, even without mods. Unless you plan on tracking the car a LOT why put up with a clutch???? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FireR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">. Unless you plan on tracking the car a LOT why put up with a clutch???? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well lets see, why get a stick-<br>1 - faster <br>2 - more control & driver interaction<br>3 - suites car better<br>4 - better MPG<p>If you want an auto, I'd probably wouldn't get an R. Get something else (esp. if you are looking at an '04 - '05).<p>BTW, there <B>will</B> be an '07 R.<br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>flybynight</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>If you want an auto, I'd probably wouldn't get an R. Get something else (esp. if you are looking at an '04 - '05).<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I completely disagree with this statement. While I will certainly admit that the GT equipped R is not 100% the car it is with the manual transmission, it certainly does not kill the car or make it equivilant to, say, a normal S60. And yes, that even includes the '04 and '05 AW55 equipped cars. <p>My buddy has an S60 2.5t and S60T5, and I have driven both. He would trade his right nut to be in an R. <p>I do not say this simply to defend my purchase. There are cars that just should not be equipped with an automatic transmission (Boxster) or who's transmission is so bad that it ruins the experience. The R is not one of them.
 

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Re: Auto vs MT (Tekk)

Yes, if you are set on a manual...that is all you will be pleased with.<br>I went into the process knowing I wanted a manual. I almost did NOT lease the car because I test drove an auto. I relaxed, took a pill, placed my order for the mt...and have never slowed down to look back! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I completely disagree with this statement. While I will certainly admit that the GT equipped R is not 100% the car it is with the manual transmission, it certainly does not kill the car or make it equivilant to, say, a normal S60. And yes, that even includes the '04 and '05 AW55 equipped cars. <p>My buddy has an S60 2.5t and S60T5, and I have driven both. He would trade his right nut to be in an R. <p>I do not say this simply to defend my purchase. There are cars that just should not be equipped with an automatic transmission (Boxster) or who's transmission is so bad that it ruins the experience. The R is not one of them. </TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Well, going from a 0-60 time of just under 6 seconds (about 5.7) to 7.2 is a huge difference. Several people who bought auto R's feel they got shafted since they didn't know about the torque limitations in 1st and 2nd gear. The R is definitely one of those cars that should be experienced with a stick. If you can't drive a stick or really, really don't want one, I'd say get another car.<br>Get an Audi A6 2.7 turbo if you are looking at used cars, or maybe the IS350 if looking at new. That car is better match with an auto than the R.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by flybynight at 10:52 AM 4-4-2006</i>
 

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If getting an auto was my consideration...I would be driving a new IS350. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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If your getting a 06 ,then an auto is fine. it has the new 6 speed auto and the torque limiter in first 2 gears is gone. it is very peppy. i like a MT though, because its fun to shift thru the gears.
 

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I love my GT. I can't be bothered with a stick in Los Angeles anymore. And there is no evidence that the 06 GT is torque limited like the 04 & 05... Plus turbos work better with auto <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Auto vs MT (Tekk)

I just got a manual V70 (sonic). I posted some pics of it on here yesterday. I love the manual and that's the main reason why I wanted a new car. It's hard to find a manual Volvo used (especially turbo or R). I have an 850 auto and it drives great but it's nice to have control over the gears.<p>I test drove the auto and didn't like it. To me, the tranny didn't seem to be a good match for the powerful engine. And I'm not a fan of the geartronic BS. The manual is so easy to shift and the clutch feels great. Not as good as a BMW clutch, but close.<p>The gearshift is cool too <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I test drove the 06 GT and it was very very nice. It still had great pickup and altho I didn't play too much with the manumatic mode, that still seemed like a lot of fun when used properly. <p>At this point if Im going to get an auto it sounds like I should get nothing less than an 06. Otherwise I can choose from the gamut of manuals seeing as though nothing has really changed for them. <p>I just found out the other day that my company is a member of the Ford Partnership program which allows us employees to purchase Ford vehicles at INVOICE from dealerships. So this might be a good reason to just order exactly what I want <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> Or find what I want from current inventory around the area. <p>Im just so up in the air. I guess I need to be able to drive the manual and then the GT back to back and really see what I like. Like Ive mentioned, I do have to commute ALOT (120 miles a day at the moment) which ini Los Angeles equates to lots o traffic in the afternoon. <p>Arggh <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> Tough decision!
 

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If you really want a manual transmission, you can find one. Smythe Volvo in San Jose has at least 2, if you don't mind making a road trip.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jdog</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you really want a manual transmission, you can find one. Smythe Volvo in San Jose has at least 2, if you don't mind making a road trip.</TD></TR></TABLE><br> <br> We dont have any V70R manuals. Do have a few S60R Manuals, 1 with the sport kit,and a couple without. I just took the only Ti ,body kit ,manual we had.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>flybynight</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Well, going from a 0-60 time of just under 6 seconds (about 5.7) to 7.2 is a huge difference. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, it is. You're 100% right. And if that's important to you, I agree get a manual or get an '06 that's not torque limited or remove the limiter. However, in the real world when you're on the highway and shift down from 5th to 4th, or 4th to 3rd at the push of your right foot and find, all of a sudden you're doing 95 without thinking about it, then hey, that's pretty good to me. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>flybynight</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Several people who bought auto R's feel they got shafted since they didn't know about the torque limitations in 1st and 2nd gear. The R is definitely one of those cars that should be experienced with a stick. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>What you are saying relates to people who bought uninformed and were dissapointed or had unrealistic expectations. And not having been there shopping at the beginning, I can't comment on how Volvo tried to hide the torque limiting for first and second. Also, I'm not sure if they were trying to sell it as an M3 competitor, etc. However, it all depends on what you're after and what your expectations are. I for one remember reading Car and Driver's initial full review on the car ("From the Land of ABBA Comes Some Heavy Metal") and they were honest about the car's not being a true M3 competitor. <p>If you're buying an S60 and cross shopping against a 330i, G35, GS350, etc, then you're right, it's a much better sell with a manual trans. The R does much better as a comparison with a manual there. <p>If however, you're in the V70R market and cross shopping it against, say a minivan, SUV or other performance wagon (and don't start about an E55 AMG), then the automatic equipped R a much sportier alternative. <p>Your'e certainly right, the auto is going to remove some of the sportiness of the car. However if you're after a car that's going to be commuted long distances, sit in traffic, haul the kids and be the family car, then be something you can go out and have fun in on the weekends as well, it's still a great car even with the auto.<p>Besides, autos and turbos ARE good companions. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>
 

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I like my 2006 6-speed GT S60R a lot more than my manual 2004 V70R. To me, the 6-speed automatic suits the car better, and is at least as fast (probably faster, at least for me).<p>Automatics for turbo cars, manual transmissions for normally asperated cars, IMHO, makes the most sense.
 
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