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So mu buddy is getting the Audi S4 Avante ( he thinks the V70 R is not bold enough") whatever the hell that means.. anyways this is going to be his 3rd Audi so that's ok. He is a Audi guy. Anyways he is getting a sick deal on ths S4 in supersprint blue ... Get this! This S4 was a mistake.. They actually put RS4 seats in it by accident the dealership told us. Anyways..He asked me to go with him and he told the PRICK sales guy that I have a S60 R the guys smirks " oh I just had a customer trade one in red for a S4 " That car has to many problems" I w as like huh?? Like what.. so they bring my buddies S4 avanate wagon in superspring blue I have sonic blue so they looked cool side by side and we step outside he starts to show me things like Example.. The wiper on the headlights "they freez in the winter and the motor blows on them" I laughed Than he said by the windsheild wiper look at this platic" Than in the sinside he said what is with the buttons" anyways he started to Tick me off.. he finished off by saying have u heard the Throuty V8 sound.. This has a 5 Cylinder.. I felt like telling him why don't we race Biatch ( eventho I have a bsr chip) I would Destroy him...anyways I didn think he was very profesional and my buddy laughed the whole time.. I can't wait to spank him when he picks it up Monday at 2 pm... <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Audi Dealership Talked S**It about my R today (stevectsai)

Yep. Race him right away before he gets thru the break in period. Maybe he will blow it up <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> Then it would be a must to camcorder this event!
 

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Re: Audi Dealership Talked S**It about my R today (zigger)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zigger</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That car has to many problems" I was like huh??</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Just wait about... oh... two years and you can have the last laugh when he is seeing his dummy lights turning on one after another. I believe it is programmed into the Audi's software, but my friend's car would blow one computer doohickey every twelve months or so - like clockwork. I predict his first problem will be with the braking system.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zigger</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would Destroy him... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Uhhhh, what??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I'm sure there a lot of Audi owners who think their S4 is vastly superior to a lowly Volvo. If you polled BMW owners, you'd get even more disrespect and attitude.<p>Once you blow them off the road, the 'tude changes.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>martynunya</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Two words on reliability.... Consumer Reports. Audi reliability is terrible, thats why I bought my V70R in the first place.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That too is why I went with the V70R over the S4 Avant as much as I wanted the 8 cylinder Audi. Do you guys think the chipped R has a shot at the S4 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I really didn't think the R had it in her even chipped <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>CA gas is 91 and no, I will not be mixing in race gas at $8.50 a gallon to get to 93/94 octane. Would a chip help with CA crappy 91 octane gas? If yes, I may go for it as I have 42k on the R and warranty concerns are almost over for me. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Jim
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>martynunya</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Two words on reliability.... Consumer Reports. Audi reliability is terrible, thats why I bought my V70R in the first place.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>When I was shopping for a new car, I test drove both the S4 and the S60R. The thing that swayed me to the Volvo was that during my S4 test drive the damn exhaust broke off it's hanger and was rattling for most of the test drive. The jackass saleman tried to tell me that it was really an exhaust note of the V8. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> When we pulled back into the dealership, you could see the exhaust was about 1 inch from the ground. Oh, that and the power front seat would randomly change positions as I drove. Guess that was part of the "driver experience" package or something. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: (ReVolvR)

Next time ask the sales guy what he drives and start a laundry list of problems with his car. You should make stuff up too.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>surfsd</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That too is why I went with the V70R over the S4 Avant as much as I wanted the 8 cylinder Audi. Do you guys think the chipped R has a shot at the S4 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>This is "Hypothetical" Stock R vs. new S4 sedan... S4 only 8 miles on it, so it had not been broken in and was probably not running at full potential... highway, where there is "no replacement for displacement"... 40 to 140... dead tie.... DEAD tie. The S4 driver was actually a dealer who redlined every gear, and so the "the R". Tie. Stock... but this is just a hypothetical... right? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JOSBRO</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is "Hypothetical" Stock R vs. new S4 sedan... S4 <B>only 8 mi</B>les on it, so it had not been broken in and was probably not running at full potential... highway, where there is "no replacement for displacement"... 40 to 140... dead tie.... DEAD tie. <B>The S4 driver was actually a dealer who redlined every gear</B>, and so the "the R". Tie. Stock... but this is just a hypothetical... right? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Makes me want to buy his "demo". <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I thought only Volvo salesmen know nothing about the R. The sales manager at my local Volvo stealership told me the twin turbos in the R make it a real rocket over my single turbo T-5. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I wonder what that Audi salesman owns for a ride?
 

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You think Audi dealers are bad, my local BMW dealer was a prick when I went to look at 5 series. I told him off and was so displeased that I won't buy a BMW.
 

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Re: Audi Dealership Talked S**It about my R today (zigger)

I don't know how the V70 R will do, but I walked all over the S4 Avante last weekend at the Audi Club event at Las Vegas Speedway. It was a 110 degrees out and I couldn't find the 100 Octane. She was playing the catch the Silver Volvo if you can. Had dinner with her that night and she was seriously planning how to get me. <p>Gary at Ronal Wheels up the anty when he held me back at the pit out. Looked up at the track and said I think you can take her. He let me out after she passed by on the track. Took me a half a lap to get her. Half of more to pass her. My instructor had me slow down and exit after that...just too crazy between the 2 of us. Both instructors kept us seperated on track for the rest of the event. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Everyone at the Audi event had a change of mind by the end of day 1. Day 2 was just fuel on the fire. I will say that I did strip the entire trunck out and kept the fuel load to 3 gallons a sesson...and she was tough to keep in my rear view mirrors.<p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by KillerB at 11:14 PM 5-5-2006</i>
 

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Re: Audi Dealership Talked S**It about my R today (KillerB)

From an ancient post of mine, I discovered that stock, the S4 Avante can not pull on the S60R above 100 mph (we raced up to like 140 that day). <p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=35634" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=35634</A><p>I recently asked my friend to race again, he has some mods, and I have some mods, and he said no way, he was sure I would beat him and then post all over Swedespeed... <p>Most definitely IMO, if you drop in a CAI, filter, chip, DP, exhaust (about $3000) and run 93 octane, you can walk away from an S4, especially at higher speeds. And you have better seats, nicer interior, better radio and $7K in you pocket.
 

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Re: Audi Dealership Talked S**It about my R today ("R" Kelly)

Coming from an Audi guy, the B6 or B7 (current) S4's suck. I had and still have tons of friends with the 2.7tt motor which is a beast. That being said though, the new S4 vs. an S60R would be almost an even race.
 

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Well I used to work for Audi. And I don't see anything great about an S4. <p>1) The interior feels like you're sitting in the worst possible economy class environment and a lot of it is shared with a Skoda <br>2) the steering wheel feels like hard plastic (theres no nice grip like on the R)<br>3) they write quattro everywhere like in a rice car as if its something special<br>4) the wheels get easily damaged<br>5) you can't change any bulbs by yourself (only a dealership can do it by removing the lenses etc)<br>6) Its german<br>7) It doesn't have the technology that Volvo use e.g. 4C<br>8) Its costs too much<br>9) It does look anything special i.e. someone in a 1.9TDI with S-Line kit looks the same<br>10) It rides likes its on concrete suspension<br>11) It shares its platform with Skoda and Seat<br>12) the seats are uncomfortable<br>13) only audi cars with xenon get headlamp washers. All Volvo cars have wipers/washers.<br>14) If the Volvo headlight wipers were to freeze (which they have never done for me), then so would his Audi's windscreen wipers. But we have the advantage of clearing snow and mud from our headlamps. Whats he going to do... get out of the car and start wiping them?<br>15) The Audi dealership staff are idiots. So are some of Volvo's, but at least Volvo staff tell you about stuff that is special in their cars. Audi dealerships will spent copious amounts of time highlighting mundane features that you'd expect to get in a budget car e.g. how great it is that the car has fog lights. <br>16) The steering is too light and makes the car feel like a tin can.<p><br>I could probably think of more given some spare time. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Token at 8:44 AM 5-6-2006</i>
 

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Zigger, I am quite sure you did not want to insult your friend.<br>But, I agree with taking the high road.<br>I, myself, typically hold a high amount of disgust for car salesman. Not all...just most I have dealt with. Just about all will insult each and every vehicle on the road, other than theirs. That is their job I guess.<br>When given that type of attitude, as was once displayed by a Lexus salesman, I just go through in a very professional (yet somewhat arroagant manner) of the features on the R model that most would not know.<br>After then I would just reply with some sort of Volkswagen comment and leave it at that. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Eh, not entirely true ... the salesmen at the Lincoln dealership were all over my R when we were shopping for my wife's Zephyr ... You know how you get those ( ) shaped handprints on you window <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ?<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Quick Brick at 1:06 PM 5-6-2006</i>
 
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