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Looks like insanity is not confined to the muslim world. When I started reading about these fine American Christians, my mouth just fell open. Seems that a fundamentalist group from Kansas is crashing funerals of GI's killed in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan to jeer and shout vulgarities at mourning family members. They are carrying signs thanking God for IED's! The reason: they believe God is punishing America for "harboring" homosexuals. The soldiers are "traitors" for dying for their country.<p>"The scriptures are crystal clear that when God sets out to punish a nation, it is with the sword. An IED is just a broken-up sword," Phelps-Roper said. "Since that is his weapon of choice, our forum of choice has got to be a dead soldier's funeral." <p>Now bikers are attending the funerals to stage counter demonstrations.<br><A HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/21/funeral.motorcyclists.ap/index.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/....html</A><br> What a zoo.<p>Personally, I was never enthusiastic about the war and definitely have no use for the Bushies, but this is insane and despicable. This in NO WAY excuses the behavior of the Islamists, but we can't focus on them without acknowledging that we have our own home-grown nut jobs too. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: As Crazy as the Radical Islamists (Brahms)

Those ppl need to be slapped square across the mouth. Period. As many times as it takes to knock the freakin' sense into them that that kind of crap is completely and utterly disgusting. <p>They sure as hell wouldn't like it if someone did it to their loved one. <p>Thats just wrong. As much as I love Freedom of Speech, that is just down right unacceptable. <p>But you're right, it does put things into perspective when it concerns all the judging many of us do about "them" over there. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>We (humans) generally suck all around. Its those in America that think we dont. . .well, some of them. . .not all of us, thats for sure. <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: As Crazy as the Radical Islamists (Whitay)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Whitay</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Those ppl need to be slapped square across the mouth. Period. As many times as it takes to knock the freakin' sense into them that that kind of crap is completely and utterly disgusting. <p>They sure as hell wouldn't like it if someone did it to their loved one. <p>Thats just wrong. As much as I love Freedom of Speech, that is just down right unacceptable. <p>But you're right, it does put things into perspective when it concerns all the judging many of us do about "them" over there. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>We (humans) generally suck all around. Its those in America that think we dont. . .well, some of them. . .not all of us, thats for sure. <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Then put yourself in that line of people deserving of a beating. You've been doing exactly the same thing on this forum for 6++ months: Using the deaths of American soldiers to further your own political agenda. Hypocrite. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by StaggRLee at 4:54 PM 2-21-2006</i>
 

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Re: As Crazy as the Radical Islamists (Brahms)

This has been discussed before, but they aren't Christians any more than the Aryan Nation. Just b/c they say they're afilliated with a Baptist Church, doesn't make it so. Did you miss this? <i>The church, Westboro Baptist Church, is <b>not affiliated with a larger denomination </b>and is made up mostly of Fred Phelps' extended family members. They have long been tracked as a hate group by the Montgomery, Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project.</i><p>They also picket the funerals of dead miners in addition to soldiers. Basically they travel around picking scabs, hoping someone will kick their ass so they can sue them. That's their gig, not Chrisitianity, any more than Jim Jones or Davis Koresh<p>Do not confuse the two.
 

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Re: As Crazy as the Radical Islamists (bpwrightwv)

I want to make sure I understand you, BP. You say they aren't really Christians because:<br>A. They are not affiliated with a larger denomination.<br>B. They're really scammers.<br>C. They're just crazy like Jones or Koresh.<p>There seem to be a lot of independent Christian churches not affiliated with the larger denominations. Are you claiming that these people can't be Christians because they want to be sued or because they do hateful things? I've been following this group for months, and if anything is clear, at least <B>they</B><I></I>think they're Christians. If they think they are, how can anyone tell them they're not, just because they might make other Christians look bad?<br>
 

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Re: As Crazy as the Radical Islamists (bpwrightwv)

Maybe we could solve a problem....if someone can get me a piece of their letterhead, we can send a letter to some hate-filled Muslim group....<p>then again, I'm not sure there are any Muslim groups IN the U.S. that could be so easily inspired<p>pity....
 

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Re: As Crazy as the Radical Islamists (Brahms)

Think what you will, but the 'members' of this 'church' are the founders' family.<br>They are nut jobs, but they are not Christians<p>Do you believe they are really Christians, Brahms? <p>If you 'followed them for months' as you claim, then you'd know they really aren't Christians and are really a hate group.<p><i> Although his congregation includes only about 22 adults </i><br>How do you draw comparisons to 22 whole members of a 'church' to millions of Islamists? You're naive if you believe these people to be Christians<p><A HREF="http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=231" TARGET="_blank">http://www.splcenter.org/intel...d=231</A>
 

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Re: As Crazy as the Radical Islamists (Brahms)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Brahms</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I want to make sure I understand you, BP. You say they aren't really Christians because:<br>A. They are not affiliated with a larger denomination.<br>B. They're really scammers.<br>C. They're just crazy like Jones or Koresh.<p>There seem to be a lot of independent Christian churches not affiliated with the larger denominations. Are you claiming that these people can't be Christians because they want to be sued or because they do hateful things? I've been following this group for months, and if anything is clear, at least <B>they</B><I></I>think they're Christians. If they think they are, how can anyone tell them they're not, just because they might make other Christians look bad?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Give it a rest, Brahms. These people are f'd up. If you don't know that, then you are, in a word, an FN MAROON!!<p>Although his congregation includes only about 22 adults, at least 14 of those have law degrees.<p>I suggest listening to his children that left.<br>
 

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Re: As Crazy as the Radical Islamists (bpwrightwv)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bpwrightwv</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><i> Although his congregation includes only about 22 adults </i><br>How do you draw comparisons to 22 whole members of a 'church' to millions of Islamists? You're naive if you believe these people to be Christians</TD></TR></TABLE><p>There were only 19 hijackers on 9/11, that is less than 22. <p>Just trying to be helpful since the math is escaping you. <p><IMG SRC="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/3/3_3_26.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Combine these nutjobs with the other Christian Terrorists (the ones that advocate killing doctors that do legal abortions and that bomb planned parenthoods), compared to the number of christians in the US, and you probably come up with a higher percentage than number of people in Al Qaeda compared to the 1 BILLION Muslims.<p>Just something to think about while looking in the mirror.
 

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Every religion has extremists. People take scripture and twist it around and use it to their own personal liking. Then they make other people believe it and start their own littlle church. Remember Waco, TX?
 

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Re: As Crazy as the Radical Islamists ("R" Kelly)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>There were only 19 hijackers on 9/11, that is less than 22. <p>Just trying to be helpful since the math is escaping you. <p>Combine these nutjobs with the other Christian Terrorists (the ones that advocate killing doctors that do legal abortions and that bomb planned parenthoods), compared to the number of christians in the US, and you probably come up with a higher percentage than number of people in Al Qaeda compared to the 1 BILLION Muslims.<p>Just something to think about while looking in the mirror. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You think they were the only 19 extremists? They have a whole network in the middle east, training camps etc...
 

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Re: As Crazy as the Radical Islamists (Whitay)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Whitay</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Those ppl need to be slapped square across the mouth. Period. <p> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Slapped?<br>How about beating the friggen crap out of them
 

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Re: As Crazy as the Radical Islamists (bpwrightwv)

/QUOTE]you'd know they really aren't Christians and are really a hate group.<p>Thanks for clearing that up, BP, although what you profess is pretty outrageous. If I understand you correctly, you claim that they CANNOT be Christians (apparently by definition) because they are a hate group. You say I'm naive to believe that they are Christians, but It doesn't matter whether or not you or I think they are Christians, what matters is that THEY think they are. <p>I hate to break this horrible news to you, but there really are Christian hate groups and there really are Christians who are bad people. Surely you don't think that 2000 years of history is wrong because you decree it. Next you'll be claiming that these folks aren't really Americans either because they don't fit your definition.<p>Of course they are a tiny splinter group and as crazy as loons. There is no moral equivalency between them and the millions of militant Muslims. I thought I took care to explain that. The sad fact that the Westboro Baptist Church continues to exist, right in the very heart of America, ought to serve as a reminder that religous zealotry is a corrosive force not confined to the Muslim world. (At least for those of us who are willing to see it.)<br>
 

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Re: As Crazy as the Radical Islamists (Brahms)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Brahms</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">/QUOTE]...religous zealotry is a corrosive force not confined to the Muslim world. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am willing to bet we all agree with you on that one
 

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Brahms, I think your attempt to compare this group to the organized religions of the world is misguided. That's all, good day<p>
 

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Re: As Crazy as the Radical Islamists (StaggRLee)

lol I knew you'd say that Stagg. . .and you're still as wrong as you were the day you started crying like the baby you are. <p>booooo freakin' hooooo . . ..waaaaaaa whitay pisses me off. . .booo hooo waaaaa. . .<soils diaper> boooo waaaa hooo. . .I dont like whitay. . .waaaaa. . .every week, and its gotten ya what so far? lol<p>Oh yeah, nothing. <p>Waaaaaaaa
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Whitay</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol I knew you'd say that Stagg. . .and you're still as wrong as you were the day you started crying like the baby you are. <p>booooo freakin' hooooo . . ..waaaaaaa whitay pisses me off. . .booo hooo waaaaa. . .<soils diaper> boooo waaaa hooo. . .I dont like whitay. . .waaaaa. . .every week, and its gotten ya what so far? lol<p>Oh yeah, nothing. <p>Waaaaaaaa</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Doesn't change the fact that every one of your posts here amounts to pissing on the graves of those who've died providing the very freedoms that allow you to do so. No matter how you'd like to spin it or deny it. Bray on little ass.
 

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Re: As Crazy as the Radical Islamists (StaggRLee)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>StaggRLee</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Doesn't change the fact that every one of your posts here amounts to pissing on the graves of those who've died providing the very freedoms that allow you to do so. No matter how you'd like to spin it or deny it. Bray on little ass.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Like I've said before. I'll allow idiots like you to believe whatever you want. <p>Doesn't make the BS you spew any truer. . .it just gives you a lame reason to act like a little girl. <p>Go ahead, cry some more. . .like 2k2. . .in vain. . .and see what it gets ya. <p>Whats it gotten ya thus far? Besides you looking like a butthurt ass everytime you spew your crap for no reason. <p>And to think, you think everyone thinks you're cool. hhahahahahahahahaa<p>
 

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Re: As Crazy as the Radical Islamists (Whitay)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Whitay</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>hhahahahahahahahaa<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p><IMG SRC="http://eastvillageradio.com/gfx/pics/shows/18.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>psst. We can all tell when you're off your meds and your wife forgot to change your diapers before stepping out on you. You could be a little less obvious you know.
 
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