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Some of you may be familiar with <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=55990" TARGET="_blank">my issue with the tires</A> after the accident.<p>I'm not going to go into detail, but my insurance company's shop replaced my front stock 95Y-rated Rossos with N5-rated Rossos (Porsche OEM, apparently).<p>Based on your feedback, I took the car back and now they told me they haven't been able to find the 95Y's, so they installed 91Y's.<p>Are these OK or should I keep sending the car back until they get it right? That would be my fourth time.
 

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Re: Are the 91Y Rossos OK? (Razor1973)

Send it back.......especially if they are now mismatched.
 

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Re: Are the 91Y Rossos OK? (MagoonR)

You should have 4 the same. 91 and 95 have different stiffness etc. Tell them to get them from Tirerack, they has the exact item.<br>
 

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Re: Are the 91Y Rossos OK? (JimLill)

I did tell them when I dropped off the car and they told me they'd call TireRack and get them from them. One week later, they're returning the car and telling me they called TR and were told they didn't have the 95Y's in stock, but they could in a week or two. The insurance company decided they didn't want to keep paying for the rental and installed what they could get right away: 91Y.<p>I guess the car is going back once more.
 

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Re: Are the 91Y Rossos OK? (Razor1973)

Insurance company can't install 91Ys, technically they don't have enough load rating for your car. <p>Serious liability if you were to get in an accident.
 

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Re: Are the 91Y Rossos OK? (Razor1973)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Razor1973</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Re: Are the 91Y Rossos OK? (Razor1973)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>NO
 

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Re: Are the 91Y Rossos OK? (LTA)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LTA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">According to Pirelli's website:<br>91Y [email protected]<br>95Y [email protected]</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't understand what you are trying to say here...<p>You run your tires at 51psi? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Are the 91Y Rossos OK? ("R" Kelly)

Just as a follow-up, I went to pick up the car on Saturday and told them I wasn't accepting it with the 91Y-rated Rossos. They called a manager and three of them talked to me at the same time and tried to convince me that they were basically the same tires and worked the same way, which --thanks to you guys-- I could rebut.<p>He then asked --since I was claiming the load rating was less on those tires-- if I knew what weight they were rated for. I said about 1,300+ lbs vs. the 95Y's, rated for 1,500+ lbs. and that the car was almost 3,800 lbs. He they said, "Ok, if you divide 3,800 by four..." and I snickered and said, "You're kidding me with your arithmetic, right? Aren't you supposed to know what you're talking about?"<p>He then went on to saying how nobody had the 95Y's and that's why they decided to install the 91Y's (for the second time, without notifying me first). I asked if they had called TireRack and he said they had and called them again right in front of me. They really didn't have them in stock.<p>I said, "TireRack doesn't have them and the local dealership doesn't have them. That doesn't mean NOBODY has them. There's hundreds or Pirelli distributors all over the world, but it is not my job to find them for you. I am paying my premium, which, by the way, just increased $234 because of my claim. That means I want my coverage taken care of and part of my contract wording clearly states that Progressive guarantees pre-accident condition with original equipment, neither of which you are attaining by installing these tires on my car."<p>To make a much longer story short, he took the car back (for the third time) and will call Pirelli next week and let me know as soon as they make a decision.<p>Thanks again. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Are the 91Y Rossos OK? ("R" Kelly)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I don't understand what you are trying to say here...<p>You run your tires at 51psi? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm just highlighting what Pirelli published for their 91Y and 95Y rating.<p>If you look at Pirelli's or Michelin's web site they go into great detail about how load (vehicle weight), speed, and tire air pressure affect the tires rated specs. They quote the 91Y and 95Y weight ratings at 51 psi and they say to maintain a particular rating above 160Km/s one must increase the tire pressure to maintain the load rating, they publish a chart, check it out.<p>I assume the ratings are static gross vehicle weight and maybe that's why at 36psi the 95Y can handle the S60's gross weight. Maybe the 4460lbs/4 is simply to much for a 91Y run at a more typical 36psi so Volvo spec'ed a 95Y to handle it. I don't know if the math is that <I>simple</I> though.<p>So to answer your question: No, I don't run mine anywhere near 51 psi. I'm not <I>that</I> crazy <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>LTA<br>
 

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Re: Are the 91Y Rossos OK? (Razor1973)

I would not make his problem your problem. You have already made enough trips. I am sure he can get the tires at his local Volvo dealer who should have the proper tires in stock. What he pays is not your problem.
 

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Re: Are the 91Y Rossos OK? (Razor1973)

Instead of them constantly taking the car back, why don't you take it, drive it with the 91 and wait for the 95 to come in and then swap them out? Are you compensated with a rental? If so, it better be a damn good one.
 

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Re: Are the 91Y Rossos OK? (rogersampson)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rogersampson</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would not make his problem your problem. You have already made enough trips. I am sure he can get the tires at his local Volvo dealer who should have the proper tires in stock. What he pays is not your problem.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I totally agree with you and that's exactly what I told them. They said, "But we cannot find the tires." I replied, "How do I find the time to pay my monthly premium? That is not my problem just like it isn't my job to tell you where to find them." I was so frustrated! I should hear back from them today.
 

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Re: Are the 91Y Rossos OK? (mike_c70)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mike_c70</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Instead of them constantly taking the car back, why don't you take it, drive it with the 91 and wait for the 95 to come in and then swap them out? Are you compensated with a rental? If so, it better be a damn good one.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>They wouldn't let me drive on the 91Y's. They have to return those tires, so they don't want them used. It's understandable.<p>I have had a rental since day 1. The first week, it was a Crossfire roadster. I've been driving a Durango for the last 2 1/2 weeks.
 
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