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I am bringing my car in for its 7500 mile service tomorrow. Since I've had the dealer scratch up the Pegs a bit in the past dealing with the anti-theft lug nuts, I decided to take them off. Well, one of the front ones broke. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> The head just sheared right off (I was not torquing all that hard) - the part that the "key" mates too broke off. There is kind of a floating washer between it and the time, and that came off as well. You can just see the end of the threaded lug sticking out basically flush with the Peg.<br>So two questions: <br>1) Is it safe to drive about 50 miles (the distance to the dealer) with one lug nut not really doing anything?<br>2) Any ideas how to get the rest of it out?<p>These were Volvo lugs, by the way...<p>Thanks ahead of time.<br>Albert
 

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Re: Anti-theft lug nut head broke off!! - HELP! (adalcanto)

Well, drive a bit slower and you should be OK. That's not your biggest problem, that lug has to be drilled out (Very carefully)
 

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Re: Anti-theft lug nut head broke off!! - HELP! (JRL)

Yeah, that is what I was upfraid of. I looked again, and the way they are designed I think it is still holding things on. <br>God I hope that they are good at drilling!!!<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Albert
 

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Re: Anti-theft lug nut head broke off!! - HELP! (adalcanto)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>adalcanto</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">God I hope that they are good at drilling!!!<br>Albert</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Hopefully, you will not have to find out...<p>I dont have locking lugs but if the whole head came off, can't the wheel simply be removed by taking out the other 4 lugs and slip the wheel off the 5th remaining lug with no head? With the wheel out of the way, the broken lug (bolt) should be able to be removed without drilling, no?
 

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Re: Anti-theft lug nut head broke off!! - HELP! (bschurr)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bschurr</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Hopefully, you will not have to find out...<p>I dont have locking lugs but if the whole head came off, can't the wheel simply be removed by taking out the other 4 lugs and slip the wheel off the 5th remaining lug with no head? With the wheel out of the way, the broken lug (bolt) should be able to be removed without drilling, no?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree - with the head sheared off, the other 4 bolts ought to come off and the entire tire should just slip off. Good luck!
 

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Re: Anti-theft lug nut head broke off!! - HELP! (bschurr)

I thought the same thing after I wrote my post, so I looked again. That is when I realized that although the head that you put the wrench on is sheared off, the lug bolt still has a wider flange that is holding things on. So, it will be a safe drive, but I think it will need to be drilled.<br>Thanks for the idea though...<br>Albert
 

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Re: Anti-theft lug nut head broke off!! - HELP! (adalcanto)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>adalcanto</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>These were Volvo lugs, by the way...<p>Albert</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Isn't there a warranty with Volvo acessories. If so getting the lug out should be covered also.<br>
 

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Re: Anti-theft lug nut head broke off!! - HELP! (adalcanto)

Mine don't seem all that stout either. The aftermarket ones I had on my previous car were much better. A good mechanic with easy-outs should be able to remove it.
 

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Re: Anti-theft lug nut head broke off!! - HELP! (Wayne T5)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Wayne T5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mine don't seem all that stout either. The aftermarket ones I had on my previous car were much better. A good mechanic with easy-outs should be able to remove it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree, a good mechanic should be able to remove it w/ an extractor. IMHO, locking lugs are a waste of money. Used to crack me up when I'd see a Ford Taurus w/ locking lugs on it. Those wheels are what, $25 at the j/y?<p>I've seen too many problems w/ locking lug bolts. The 'key' that you get w/ them is cheap quality steel, and is not that hard to break. Years ago, I had one break on my VW Corrado. Took it to the local VW dealer, and the guy in the shop there had a 'pro' key set (they were black steel, like impact sockets). Guess what, he broke his 'pro' key trying to take the wheel off. Ended up pounding a deep impact socket on the lug to get it off. <p>Get a low deductible on your comprehensive, and get an accessory rider if you've got aftermarket wheels, and be done with it. Give shop rates, you'll probably spend more than the deductible to get a busted lug drilled out.
 

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Re: Anti-theft lug nut head broke off!! - HELP! (adalcanto)

I know that in Canada a Volvo dealer will replace the broken parts under warranty. In my case the key broke and then another time the lug 'froze' and had to be chizelled out! In both cases they offered to get replacements for me but suggested I go directly to McGard since the replacement process with them directly is apparantly much faster (and it seemed the parts guy was having a hard time figuring out to do it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> ).<p>I assume Volvo uses McGard in all countries?<p>I contacted McGard, shipped them the broken parts and they shipped me brand new ones.<p>I see it like this, if you want replacements quickly go directly to McGard and pay one way shipping. If you can wait a bit let Volvo get the replacements and pay no shipping but it might take a bit longer (unless your dealer's part dept is a little more on the ball than mine was <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> ).<p>McGard's website seems to be broken at the moment but here's their contact info:<br>USA Headquarters:<br>3875 California Road<br>Orchard Park, New York 14127-4198<br>Phone: 716.662-8980<br>Fax: 716.662.8985<br><A HREF="http://www.mcgard.com/main.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mcgard.com/main.html</A><p>Good luck!<p>LTA<br>
 

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Re: Anti-theft lug nut head broke off!! - HELP! (adalcanto)

I guess if it had to happen, it is a good thing you did not have a flat in the middle of nowhere and need to change the tire!<p>I do not believe the car comes with any type of wheel locks so are these Volvo aftermarket, or other third party aftermarket? If it is a Volvo part I would expect the dealer to remedy the situation. I too agree that short distances with 4 lugs is not an issue. <p>Make sure that dealer, tire shop, or owner does not overly tighten the lugs, (as I recall torque is 90 to 100 foot/lbs). Make sure bolt holes are clean as well as the lug bolts. I use light anti-sieze on hubs as well as bolts. If you are in to rotating your tires (Volvo is not), than the fact that tires are removed and installed every 5K or so also can prevent any siezing, but is an opportunity for improper torque values.
 

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Re: Anti-theft lug nut head broke off!! - HELP! (rogersampson)

We have 4 year free Volvo roadside assist here. If you have it in your country just call up and they'll haul it to the dealer, much safer.
 

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Re: Anti-theft lug nut head broke off!! - HELP! (rogersampson)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rogersampson</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I guess if it had to happen, it is a good thing you did not have a flat in the middle of nowhere and need to change the tire!<p>I do not believe the car comes with any type of wheel locks so are these Volvo aftermarket, or other third party aftermarket? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes - the timing was perfect. You are right, in that it did not come with the locks, but they were Volvo aftermarket, purchased from the dealship where I got the car in Cleveland.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> to Bobby Rahal in Pittsburgh. Hopefully I am not writing this too soon, but here is the way the story unfolded. They tried getting the bolt out with the extractor, but couldn't because there was not enough of the head left to gain a purchase. For a little while, then, they said they would not proceed with more invasive methods because they did not want to ruin the Peg. They said that since I no longer had the OEM Rossis on there, that whoever put my A/T tires on was responsible and they would not proceed. So, I (re)-emphasized the fact that the A/T tires were on my car before I drove off the dealer's lot on day 1, the locking lugs went on the car shortly thereafter, and NOBODY had touched them since they themselves did the lock-tight repair on my car at 2300 miles. (The lock-tight needs to be redone, BTW, which is part of the reason why it was imperative they get the darn thing off...especially since I live 70-80 miles from the dealership). They quickly changed their tune, then, and said that they would go ahead and do whatever was need to get the lug off and they would replace the Peg if (when) it got damaged. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> (As I read what I wrote, it doesn't sound to good, but they really did agree to make it right with very little discussion or convincing. They realized either their tech overtightened the locking lug last time, or the Volvo locking lug failed - either way, they wanted to make it right.) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Since the lock-tight fix didn't work last time after they put the car outside to cure, they agreed that they would leave the car inside to cure. So I don't know whether it will be ready tomorrow or not - it depends on how long it took to get the lug off. I'm in no hurry though - I just want it done right so I don't have to make another trip up there for the same problem.<p><br>
 

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Re: Anti-theft lug nut head broke off!! - HELP! (adalcanto)

I was given a Toyota Camry as a rental car. A few thoughts:<br> - I asked whether they used Volvo cars instead of Toyotas in the past for loaners. The service guy told me that they have used non-Volvo cars for a long time. They have a fleet of 20-30 cars, so that all their customers can get loaners all the time. If they used Volvo cars, they could only have 10-12 and they'ld have a lot of unhappy customers. I didn't asked if the expense came with the initial cost or the maintainence! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p> - Man, did I miss my R by the time I drove the 70 miles (almost all interstate) back home. Never mind the performance, feel for the road, "fun-to-drive" factor - I was looking at the clock and miles-to-go half-way through the trip because the seat was so UNCOMFORTABLE compared to the R! I couldn't wait to get out of that Camry! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>- It sure is nice, however, to have a sharp turning radius. I have compensated for it with the R, so it's not a big deal, but suddenly being behind the wheel of a car that turns tightly was noticeably better. <p>
 

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Re: Anti-theft lug nut head broke off!! - HELP! (adalcanto)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>adalcanto</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>...and said that they would go ahead and do whatever was need to get the lug off and they would replace the Peg if (when) it got damaged. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Update: They did have to torch the lug to melt it enough to pull the rim off. That of course ruined the Peg, which they replaced at no cost to me without any further discussion. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> to Bobby Rahal for taking care of the problem - whether it was their own fault or the fault of a bad Volvo part.<p>On a related note: DO NOT install the Volvo lucking lugs!!! They are complete doo-doo. They were on about 8-9 months, and when the head sheared off you could see that the metal parts had rust on them. At least if someone acutally steals your rims, I would think insurance would cover the theft. If the lugs shear like this and the dealer does not step up like mine did, you would be out the price of the rim. Volvo locking lugs = very bad idea <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/redface.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Albert
 

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Re: Anti-theft lug nut head broke off!! - HELP! (adalcanto)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>adalcanto</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Update: They did have to torch the lug to melt it enough to pull the rim off. That of course ruined the Peg, which they replaced at no cost to me without any further discussion. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> to Bobby Rahal for taking care of the problem - whether it was their own fault or the fault of a bad Volvo part.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Bobby Rahal's Service Dept. is VERY GOOD. And their ranking also prove that.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On a related note: DO NOT install the Volvo lucking lugs!!! They are complete doo-doo. They were on about 8-9 months, and when the head sheared off you could see that the metal parts had rust on them. At least if someone acutally steals your rims, I would think insurance would cover the theft. If the lugs shear like this and the dealer does not step up like mine did, you would be out the price of the rim. Volvo locking lugs = very bad idea <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/redface.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Albert</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't know about that. I have 73,000 mile son my car and I have had Pegs on it since the car's odometer turned 30K. Never had a problem with the Volvo locking lug nuts. ANd I have been rotating my tires every 5K, use snows in the winter, then take them off in March, etc. You catch my drift. I remove and reinstall my wheels very frequently.<p>Yannis
 
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