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my wife's 04 R recently started leaking oil, after taking it to the dealer, they determined it was the rear angle gear seal that was leaking and they said that they cannot replace just the seal, but have to replace the entire angle gear unit itself, which is about $1800. is this true that you cannot replace just the seal? i find it hard to believe.....anyway, i'd appreciate any input on this as i'd like to avoid a $2400 bill to fix this - thanks
 

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Re: Angle gear seal (vonbottle)

Last time my 04VR was in for service, they told me the same seal was leaking as well. They told me they replaced the seal under warranty (I upped mine to 100k miles) and I haven't noticed any oil on the driveway. I don't think they replaced the whole thing, but I'm not 100% sure.
 

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Re: Angle gear seal (n23)

interesting......another question, at what location was the leak? my leak is approx. under the engine area, wouldn't the angle gear seal leak be towards the rear of the car? i only ask, because my wife said a brake warning light came on this morning about low brake fluid, but later went off, which leads me to believe it's a brake fluid leak and they didn't even check the angle gear, but i could be wrong
 

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Re: Angle gear seal (vonbottle)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vonbottle</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">interesting......another question, at what location was the leak? my leak is approx. under the engine area, wouldn't the angle gear seal leak be towards the rear of the car? i only ask, because my wife said a brake warning light came on this morning about low brake fluid, but later went off, which leads me to believe it's a brake fluid leak and they didn't even check the angle gear, but i could be wrong</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The angle gear is at the front of the car. It is the gear that turns the transmission's output from lateral to longitudinal so it can power the rear wheels. The angle gear can be re-sealed. <p>The rear diff and haldex are together at the back of the car. The rear diff can have leads that may not be re-sealed. <p>If you are getting a brake fluid warning light, your clutch slave cylinder is probably shot. The clutch shares fluid with the brake system.
 

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Re: Angle gear seal (Needsdecaf)

thanks for the info, that clarifies a few things for me.....is there any warning light that would pertain specifically to the angle gear, such as low fluid, or is the angle gear fluid shared with any other system in the car?<br>thanks again for your help, i (as does my wallet) greatly appreciate it
 

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Re: Angle gear seal (vonbottle)

you CAN reseal the angle gear without full replacement<p>there is no fluid level indicator <p>get that slave cylinder checked asap (it can also drip on driveway, but it is brake fluid, not oil)<p>
 

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Re: Angle gear seal (vonbottle)

The angle gear is sealed and doesn't share its fluid with any other component. There is no sensor associated with the fluid level of the angle gear, so you won't get a warning code/light even if the angle gear is completely drained.<p>The low brake fluid warning can be quite problematic, particularly if, as Needsdecaf suggested, your clutch slave cylinder seal is leaking brake fluid onto your clutch. Because the slave cylinder is on the interior of the bell housing, the entire transmission has to be taken apart to get to the slave cylinder. The leaking brake fluid will likely ruin the clutch as well.<p>In your post you refer to the "rear angle gear seal", do you mean the rear seal of the angle gear? If so, I'm not sure that anyone else has had a leak at that particular location, as it seems most leak on the seal between the transmission and the angle gear, not at the angle gear-to-propellor/drive shaft connection.<p>Cheers,<p>Jeff
 

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I just got my '04 R a week ago, and had it inspected by a Volvo dealership prior to purchasing. The dealership that inspected it has serviced it every 5k miles for the past 3 years. They said nothing was wrong aside from the fact the upper engine mount is worn and it was time for an oil change.<p>However with the obvious angle gear how can you tell when it is problematic?<p>I am coming from a 2000 S80 and have never driven an RWD or AWD car prior so I would be unsure what to feel for.
 

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Re: Angle gear seal (vonbottle)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vonbottle</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks for the info, that clarifies a few things for me.....is there any warning light that would pertain specifically to the angle gear, such as low fluid, or is the angle gear fluid shared with any other system in the car?<br>thanks again for your help, i (as does my wallet) greatly appreciate it</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm pretty sure the angle gear fluid warning inidcator is a big clunking sound that happens once... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I had seapage from my angle gear, no actual dripping. Just before my warranty expired I brought it in and reported that, and they rebuilt the gear housing with a new seal. If you see any oil droplets on your angle gear, I would probably have them look at it. Otherwise, there is no way to tell if the internals of the angle gear are going to fail.
 

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Wasn't there a TSB about a weeping VENT on the angle gears?<br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ljjones</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wasn't there a TSB about a weeping VENT on the angle gears?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>yes and to fix the weep it includd replacement of the vent .
 

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Re: Angle gear seal (soupandspoons)

Horror story... I'd love to hear the thoughts of people far more knowledgeable than me on this...<p>Last Thursday, I was driving my 2004 S60R as usual, and everything was normal. All of a sudden, while pressing the clutch to shift from 2nd gear to 3rd gear, the clutch stayed on the floor. It never came back up. I put the car in neutral, and with my current velocity, made it to the side of the road.<p>I call Volvo roadside assistance to get the car towed to my dealer. They finally have a chance to look at it today... I was hoping for something like "some fluid was low, we filed it up, please come pick up your car."<p>Oh lord no...<p>It sounds like break fluid was leaking, and it ruin the clutch, as suggested in this thread.<p>In addition to the clutch, it sounds like there's another piece that might have gotten busted but they won't be able to tell until they take the clutch apart. I forget the name they told me.<p>And now, for the prices... If it's *only* the clutch, it's roughly $2,900. If it's the clutch and that other piece, it's $5,075.<p>There was a breaks light on my dashboard. I only saw it a handful of times and it went away pretty much right away. I was going to take the car to the dealer to get it checked, but I guess this all happened before I had a chance to do so...<p>Btw, if someone in Seattle wants to buy it and deal with the problem, you'll get a good price from me! Cause right now, I'm more likely to throw the car in Lake Washington that to fix it... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I was under our '05 yesterday. <br>Sure enough, weeping from the tranny (brake fluid getting low, shot slave cylinder) AND angle gear covered in oil seepage. <p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Angle gear seal (simblam)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>simblam</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Last Thursday, I was driving my 2004 S60R as usual, and everything was normal. All of a sudden, while pressing the clutch to shift from 2nd gear to 3rd gear, the clutch stayed on the floor. It never came back up. I put the car in neutral, and with my current velocity, made it to the side of the road.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Your slave cylinder died.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>simblam</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And now, for the prices... If it's *only* the clutch, it's roughly $2,900. If it's the clutch and that other piece, it's $5,075.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's insane. If you lived near me, I'd do it for under $1000 (without the parts, but clutch + slave only totals ~$500).<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vonbottle</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks for the info, that clarifies a few things for me.....is there any warning light that would pertain specifically to the angle gear, such as low fluid, or is the angle gear fluid shared with any other system in the car?<br>thanks again for your help, i (as does my wallet) greatly appreciate it</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If you need a clutch, slave cylinder or angle gear replacement, let me know. I have two mechanics in the family. The three of us are doing my car next weekend (clutch + slave). I'm sure they wouldn't mind doing others <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by S60R1 at 1:34 PM 10-13-2009</i>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>simblam</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Horror story...<br>Btw, if someone in Seattle wants to buy it and deal with the problem, you'll get a good price from me! Cause right now, I'm more likely to throw the car in Lake Washington that to fix it... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> HI PM sent <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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It sounds like you went to Mitchell Volvo and they're just trying to get your money. You can reseal the angle gear, and I would advise you to give Jon @ Driving Image Imports @ 1450 New Britain Avenue in Farmington a visit (or call him @ 860-677-0078) about any service needs. He's been a Volvo mechanic for 18+ years, he has Vadis and the VCT2000, and he probably knows Volvos better than anyone in addition to having lower repair bills that Mitchells, Gengras, etc. By any chance is your wife's R gray & lacking the body kit, and does she work right off of rt.6? If so I was considering leaving a note on her windshield earlier this summer asking if she wanted to sell it as I'm in the market, hahaha.
 

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you guessed it, she took it to Mitchell - if it were my car i probably would have went elsewhere, but it's near her office and she just wanted to get it fixed. anyway, the angle gear was shot as was the clutch slave cylinder, plus they did the clutch as well since they were in there and she's at 80k miles - so $5050 later it's fixed......a day after picking it up, it was leaking again - took it back and they had put in a faulty seal. the car is silver without body kit, so it's possible it was her car you saw. she works on rt. 44, but our daycare is on rt. 6.....were all her rims chewed up? - she parks like a 5 year old driving a pink barbie jeep.<br>I may give Jon a call, upon inspecting the underside of the car to figure out what the metalic rattling noise was that started after the repairs (loose heat shield), i noticed the muffler is almost rusted out - does he do exhaust work? any recommendations for an inexpensive cat-back system? is the evolve one a good one? i'm an Audi guy, so i'm not terribly familiar with volvo mods - thanks for your help
 

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what options did i have? she still has about a year of payments left on it, besides, who would buy it with the repairs needed? i'm not exactly pleased about the bill either.....but the angle gear itself is about $1800, no idea what the clutch and other related parts cost - hell, i'm just happy it was $500 less than their original estimate
 
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