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Results from the latest Automotive News survey:

Readers to Volvo: Fast & $25,000

Mark Rechtin
Automotive News / February 6, 2006 - 6:00 am

Don't cheap out. But do avoid sticker shock.

That's the advice from an Automotive News online survey asking how Volvo should equip its upcoming C30 small hatchback.

In short, potential C30 customers want power at a fair price.

As of Wednesday, Feb. 1, readers submitted 2,270 responses.

The Jan. 30 issue of Automotive News reported that Volvo Cars North America executives said they were unsure of how to equip and market the C30. The car will be on the market in America in little more than a year. Time is running out.

The three options listed above were Volvo's best guesses for how it might sell the vehicle here. Because of limited volumes for the C30 in America, it is doubtful that Volvo could bring more than one version across the pond.

Some respondents e-mailed suggestions for Volvo's product planners.

Rodion Tseitlin, broker relations specialist with lender FMF Capital in Southfield, Mich., said he believes the C30 could do better than the BMW 1 series. BMW execs have said the small car is coming to America but have not said when.

"Give me a cool-looking C30 in red with enough power, fun handling characteristics, practical and cool interior, and they'll sell," Tseitlin said in an e-mail. "I especially see it being the case in richer, trendier, busier areas."

A supplier executive, who wished to remain anonymous, disagreed. He said Volvo should sell a base-model C30 at a low price and offer Scion-like customization options.

"They could foster a passion and love for the small car the same way Volvo enthusiasts feel about their bigger cars, even though it would appeal to a different audience," the executive said. "If Ford Motor executives think that anybody in America is going to pay $30,000 for a small car, they need to put down the (crack) pipe."

A luxury-vehicle salesman, whose lineup includes Volvo, said Volvo might want to pass on the C30 altogether.

The salesman, who didn't want his dealership identified, said all of the prices mentioned are uncompetitive.

"Unless Volvo can bring the car to market priced to compete point-to-point with the Mini, they shouldn't bother," the salesman wrote. "The closer Volvo can get to $20,000, with popular options, the better the car will sell."


How you voted

Here's what readers say Volvo should do.

36.7% say it should offer an entry-luxury, urban commuter car with an inline four-cylinder engine at $23,000.

41.9% say it should make a lower-volume, turbocharged, five-cylinder pocket rocket at $25,000.

21.4% say it should create an awd model packed with gadgets at $30.000.
 

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Re: And the Survey Says.... (Shomare)

Fortunately, I receive and read AutoWeek...my vote got cast for the middle $25k option..but from that small sample voting, didn't look like any clear guideance for Volvo execs.

I wonder what kind of surveying they've been doing at the auto shows where the C30 concept car has appeared? Any news from Detroit visitors? I'm headed to Chicago next week to see it.

Rick

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Re: And the Survey Says.... (MagoonR)

I found this part quite telling.

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A luxury-vehicle salesman, whose lineup includes Volvo, said Volvo might want to pass on the C30 altogether.

The salesman, who didn't want his dealership identified, said all of the prices mentioned are uncompetitive.

"Unless Volvo can bring the car to market priced to compete point-to-point with the Mini, they shouldn't bother," the salesman wrote. "The closer Volvo can get to $20,000, with popular options, the better the car will sell."[/I]
 

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Re: And the Survey Says.... (MagoonR)

NONSENSE! this guy is an idiot.The c30 does not compete with the mini,the mini is a two seater(practically),and its engines are much weaker,and because its so tiny,its much less safe.Many people will buy the volvo will be people looking at an a3 but choose volvo because they trust the brand and like the looks of it.Mini shoppers could choose the volvo if they could afford the T5;I dont see any reason why the c30 should be priced close to the mini!
 

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Re: And the Survey Says.... (T5_awd)

I would say, image wise, the C30 will compete with the mini. Volvo is usually associated with large cars and the C30 will be the "small" one. If the market views it a competition for the Mini then no harm will come from that - it'll boostr Volvo's image as a manufacturer of sporty lifestyle accessories.
 

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I think Volvo really should look seriously at the MINI phenomenon. This overly small, underpowered, overpriced, somewhat kitchy car has garnered rave reviews from just about everyone dispite these glaring character flaws. Why? Because this car out-handles everything in it's class and just about everything else in the sub $50k price bracket. Say what you want about shoddy construction and ugly, retro styling, a base MINI will kill the C30 in the twisties and sales unless Volvo can get the handling right.

Make the C30 handle correctly and people will forgive a multitude of weaknesses. If you doubt this comment in any way, then look at the ssales figures and growth rates for MINI over the last four years. Then remember that the average price of a MINI seldom falls below 20k.
 

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You have a point on the cool thing, but it's in no way priced right. A reasonably equipped MINI comes in at the $20-24k price range...not exactly a bargain for a 12 foot long econo-box that at best does 0-60 in 6.8 seconds (S Model). You have to push $30k to drop that figure to 6.5 seconds and an additional 5mph top-end with the Works package.

I'd say that based on the posts from owners on North American Motoring and MINI2, most people are attracted to the styling at first but ultimately won over by the 'fun factor' caused by it's exceptional handling. I can think of a whole lot of cars I'd rather have for $30k, but I live in a city where every trip is start-and-stop with an average speed of 35mph. Drag racing and speed runs have no place in my life. Volvo...give me something that handles well and is fun to drive and I'll buy it!
 

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Re: And the Survey Says.... (MagoonR)

Quote, originally posted by MagoonR »
A luxury-vehicle salesman, whose lineup includes Volvo, said Volvo might want to pass on the C30 altogether.

The salesman, who didn't want his dealership identified, said all of the prices mentioned are uncompetitive.

"Unless Volvo can bring the car to market priced to compete point-to-point with the Mini, they shouldn't bother," the salesman wrote. "The closer Volvo can get to $20,000, with popular options, the better the car will sell."[/I]


I couldn't agree more...

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Re: And the Survey Says.... (GrecianVolvo)

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I couldn't agree more...

Yannis

But as soon as you get one.......it'll be the best thing since.......the Mini.


Or at least that's what the advertising will say.
 

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Re: And the Survey Says.... (MagoonR)

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But as soon as you get one.......it'll be the best thing since.......the Mini.


Or at least that's what the advertising will say.

I have stated this before; I am not a big fan of this car.

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Re: And the Survey Says.... (GrecianVolvo)

Quote, originally posted by GrecianVolvo »


I have stated this before; I am not a big fan of this car.

Yannis

I like the idea of the car, the price point is what worries me.
 

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Re: And the Survey Says.... (VolvoMax)

And now we're seeing advertisements about the upcoming Mazda3 MPS...no, it won't have the P1800S rear hatch or Volvo styling but similar functionality. I've been very happy with Mazda products our family has purchased and would drive the Mazda3 back to back to the C30 if pricing was significantly different.

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Re: And the Survey Says.... (VolvoMax)

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I like the idea of the car, the price point is what worries me.

Max, TRUST me on this...this car will sell in the cities...in the suburbs, where Volvo's demographics' purchasing power is, this car will not sell. Not at high $20Ks...

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Re: And the Survey Says.... (GrecianVolvo)

Yannis: I dunno. Consider my predicament. I have a kid who is about to get her permit. I want her driving something economical, but I also want it to be safe.

I know - I know - buy a very used Volvo sedan....and use allthe saved money on gas

and then buy another in a few years

but if I want something NEW, with air bags

what's a guy to do? I don't really want to put her in a Civic

an economical, safe Volvo is the answer

maybe a used V50

ps I live in the suburbs
 
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