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I've tried to do a search but didn't come up with anything useful. I can't stand the everest engagement and super long pedal throw of the clutch on my S60R. Is there any way to adjust either of these? Obviously I'd need to keep the functionality of the engagement switch, I can't imagine that would be too hard to change. Can this be done with the stock clutch, or will I only be able to make any useful adjustments with an aftermarket clutch? I've found this car extremely hard to drive smoothly at anything below 8/10ths, especially the 1st to 2nd shift in slow traffic. I've been driving/autoxing with standards my whole life, so this is both frustrating and atypical for me. Thanks.<p>Evo
 

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Re: Adjusting clutch engagement/throw length (Evos_R)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Evos_R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can't stand the everest engagement and super long pedal throw of the clutch on my S60R. Is there any way to adjust either of these? <br>Evo</TD></TR></TABLE><p>AFAIK, the pedal throw is determined by the master cylinder...so not much you can do besides replacing it with a shorter one(don't know if that's possible). I think a few people tried adding stoppers to reduce travel and get rid of the dead spots(search on s40 forums), but to me it seems more trouble than it's worth.<p>P.S. my first thought was:<br>Learn how to drive a stick, Nancy! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Adjusting clutch engagement/throw length (rushin_max)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rushin_max</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>...my first thought was:<br>Learn how to drive a stick, Nancy! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>You think like me rushin!<p>I don't think there is any adjustment. You get used to it after a while....
 

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Re: Adjusting clutch engagement/throw length (rushin_max)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rushin_max</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>P.S. my first thought was:<br>Learn how to drive a stick, Nancy! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hah I knew that one was coming. As one of the few remaining 5% of Americans driving stick, I think I'm doing alright <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> I might do some research on a new master cylinder and report back. I can learn to drive a stick all day, but it's a shame when my 300hp sport sedan has the clutch pedal of a '92 F-150. We're all about improvements, right? Just messin <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Adjusting clutch engagement/throw length (Evos_R)

Don't think there's a way to improve pedal feel. And it is atrocious.
 

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Re: Adjusting clutch engagement/throw length (JoeLvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JoeLvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't think there's a way to improve pedal feel. And it is atrocious.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Word to that. IMO, the new clutch damper makes engagement a bit inconsistent.....and still too high.
 

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To bad you couldnt change over to external slave and single mass fly wheel <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Adjusting clutch engagement/throw length (Evos_R)

The very first DIY mod I considered after driving this car was a relatively simple metal clip that would attach to the clutch pedal arm. The clip would accomplish two things: 1.) Shorten the cutch pedal travel by acting as a spacer between the arm and the existing stop. 2.) Hold the clutch cable at the current location (the cable would be attached to the clip instead of the arm). Clutch pickup would still be late in the pedal travel, but much closer to the floor.<p>I had some details drawn up, but never did anything with the idea. I would love to have a shorter pedal travel with the clutch pedal resting closer to floor (even with the brake pedal would be nice). I played around with spacers and IIRC a 1/4-inch spacer accomplishes this.<p>- Trygve<p>(hope that all made sense)<br>
 

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Re: Adjusting clutch engagement/throw length (RainyS60R)

Out of my previous cars, this is definitely easiest to drive. The pedal's travel is a bit long but the engagement is pretty low and consistent. Hell you don't even have to give gas to get rolling, in how many other cars could you do that?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>xman03</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Out of my previous cars, this is definitely easiest to drive. The pedal's travel is a bit long but the engagement is pretty low and consistent.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't like the clutch, but it is easy as pie to drive this thing (for the power). I too find it consistent, but not "low". <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>xman03</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hell you don't even have to give gas to get rolling, in how many other cars could you do that?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>All cars will do this, if you're slow and easy enough.
 

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Thanks for the replies. I'll do more research on my options. Rainy, do you have any of the details you talked about? You might have a legitimate starting point.
 

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I like it. I didn't know these cars had a dual mass clutch till recently.<p>It explains why the pedal feel is so light. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>firehawk618</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I like it. I didn't know these cars had a dual mass clutch till recently.<p>It explains why the pedal feel is so light. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't believe Volvo used the Dual Mass Flywheel (DMF) for a lighter clutch feel, but to reduce engine vibration. Perhaps you are thinking of Dual Disc, which the Volvo is not.
 

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Change your R one to a T5 clutch pedal and T5 master cylinder <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I thought I'd give a little update. I adjusted my wastegate today (2 turns), and WOW what a difference in shifting it made. The clutch is MUCH easier to modulate, as is the throttle. I've concluded that before I made the adjustment, the wastegate pressure was set right around the boost level that typically occurrs when shifting in everyday driving. EG when I shift I might see 3-5 lbs boost, and the wastegate was set right around 4 lbs. I believe that this was causing issues (opening and closing the wastegate) when feathering the throttle during shifting. By setting the WG pressure higher, I separated the two situations (WG actuation and shifting). Theoretically the same thing will happen at higher boost, but will occur under a different driving style. In any case the car feels much smoother now and there is not nearly as much jerkiness during shifts. I know this does not address the issue of the poor clutch engagement, but it does at least help make it more manageable. Just another $.02.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rogersampson</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I don't believe Volvo used the Dual Mass Flywheel (DMF) for a lighter clutch feel, but to reduce engine vibration. Perhaps you are thinking of Dual Disc, which the Volvo is not. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Interesting. I was under the assumption that the Dual Mass was referring to 2 discs, along with the extra disc between the discs.......make any sense? Sorry I can't explain it better.<p>What exactly does this clutch consist of.
 
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