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my s70 died, its going to cost a lot more to revive it than to get an 850 which i have been eying anyway, i will probably fix the s70 eventuall buy i want something faster for now<p>i can't decide on the 850r or the 850 turbo, the 850r i can't seem to find very close to me and they seem more expensive,<p> there are a couple of 850 turbo's in my area a 94 with about 100,000 for 1900 pretty spotless, a 1500 850 turbo 130,000 a little wear.<p>should i wait out for the 850r, i love the volans but it seems like its going to cost me a lot more.<p>also if anyone could recommend some performance upgrades, i am a noob and don't have too much mechanical knowledge!<p><br>Thanks
 

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<A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=124095" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=124095</A><p>theres also this, any ideas anyone thanks!
 

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Re: 850R or 850 Turbo? (rcr0412)

Performance wise an 850 Turbo isn't that much less than an R. The only difference is that the R came with a specially tuned ECU that gave it more boost at WOT for a few seconds.<p>If you find a nice 850 Turbo I say go for it.<p>As for upgrades start at a stage 0 and then see where you are at money wise.
 

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Re: 850R or 850 Turbo? (850arrrsaylikepirate)

Also, what ive found after getting a Turbo(t5) instead of an R is that, really if you are planning on upgrading it either one is a great platform to begin with. And in most cases a Turbo may be easier to come by
 

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how are 94's there is a great 94 around me for around 1900 all service records, winter rims and tires! or would u guys stick with 95-97<p>heres what they said....<p>Yes, it's the Turbo 850. Fix costs depend on what you want to do... we were just living with the quirks. The car is fine to drive without anything. If you want to recondition it back to mint, I'm not sure what it would cost - it all depends on what you want to do with it and who would do the work.<p><br>For example, there is a slow oil leak, so we check oil regularly and refill as needed. We put in maybe 3 quarts over 4 months, but we don't drive it long distances either (not sure if that would change anything - basically it leaves a few drops in the garage over night). We weren't planning on fixing it.<p><br>The air conditioning cools a bit, but it's not really cold - this didn't bother us, so I don't know what it would cost to fix. It might hold a recharge, but I'm not sure. The battery drains if the car is not used regularly, so you might want a battery tender if you expect it will sit ($50?). The sunroof cover sags down some if you slide it open, a bit of glue would fix that or just pull it closed and it is fine. There's a fine split in the headlamp cover from when we washed the car with cold water one day, and I'm guessing that would be maybe $40 to fix (we have it covered with clear packing tape). <p><br>This is what I mean by minor stuff - I would not call it mint, but it is in really good shape. The car has lots of nice features, it's a high-end vehicle. No funky smells, no pets rode in it, no one smoked in it, the interior is very comfortable, leather looks nice, its been maintained, lived much of it's life in a garage, etc. We've not run the turbo hard, in part because we have always expected to keep the car for a long time but mostly because we just don't really drive that way. The car works really well as is, and it doesn't look or drive anything like an average '94 car. <p><br>Our other 850 (which we are keeping because it's a wagon) has 157k miles on it and it runs great, so I believe there is a lot of driving left on this one. I often hear people say these go to 200k or 250k, but I am sure that depends on how you treat it. We drove/maintained it with the intention of keeping it for as long as it would go, but ended up getting, yes, another Volvo - a used S80 a couple weeks back.<p><br>
 

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Hmmmm the oil leak scares me, could be rear main seal = pricey.<p>The air conditioning not working could mean the core is toast = lots of money to fix.<p>I would stay away from most '94s they are just getting too old especially for an 850.
 

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I would pass on that '94...leaking 3/4 of a quart per month is not a "slow oil leak" as they call it. I've owned the 850R since it was new, and I've had a lot of oil leaks fixed over the years, and as stated above, some of them can be very expensive to fix (which is LIKELY the case with this car else they would have plugged that nasty leak long ago). <p>Also, any 850 with miles above 80-100k or so will need major A/C work at some point. The evaporator core is a likely leak culprit, and it requires major labor to get the dash apart, etc, hence is a very expensive repair. On our 850R, the evap core went at ~130k miles, and somewhere around 145k miles the compressor gave it up -- hence in the past 3 years I've spent over well $2k to keep the A/C working (note -- 850 A/C never works particularly great even when it's 100% as new).<p>The net of it is that if you want an 850R/turbo where all of the main functions work properly (i.e. A/C), that has been maintained properly since new, doesn't leak any oil, etc, expect to pay a reasonable price for such a car (which is in the 4-5k range). Falling for a "cheaply priced" car will usually give you exactly that as in that '94 above...it's priced cheap for a reason (perhaps many reasons).<p>These cars are old enough now that there are very few well kept ones around. Few people are willing to spend 1/2 what the car is worth to fix the A/C for example. As an example, look at the ad link above for the T-5R -- someone replaced the driver's seat with one out of another car just because they didn't want to pay to have the T-5R original seat fixed properly. I would expect other such shortcuts on maintenance looking at a car like that (hence it's cheap price). If such a car is worth $3k, then I would imagine my original owner 855R that's been given anything it ever needed since new should be worth a heck of a lot more.
 

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Has the evaporator been replaced before? If it has, then there's a good chance that it is not the evaporator that needs replacing. A way to see if the evap had been replaced sometime in the car's life is to see if there is a cabin filter. If there's no cabin filter and the a/c doesn't work, then chances are, the evap (and possibly other components) aren't working.<p>For me I favour '95s because they have the newer style interior and you can check codes easily with the onboard diagnostics computer. I agree with ChuckB on the oil thing. 3 quarts over 4 months isn't exactly a slow leak.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rcr0412</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how are 94's there is a great 94 around me for around 1900 all service records, winter rims and tires! or would u guys stick with 95-97<p>heres what they said....<p>For example, there is a slow oil leak, so we check oil regularly and refill as needed. We put in maybe 3 quarts over 4 months, but we don't drive it long distances either (not sure if that would change anything - basically it leaves a few drops in the garage over night). We weren't planning on fixing it.<p><B>$800-$900 for a new rear main seal or if lucky turbo line $150</B><p><br>The air conditioning cools a bit, but it's not really cold - this didn't bother us, so I don't know what it would cost to fix.<p><B>$1500 minimum</B><p> It might hold a recharge, but I'm not sure. The battery drains if the car is not used regularly, so you might want a battery tender if you expect it will sit ($50?). The sunroof cover sags down some if you slide it open, a bit of glue would fix that or just pull it closed and it is fine.<p><B>RIGHT<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"></B> <p> There's a fine split in the headlamp cover from when we washed the car with cold water one day, and I'm guessing that would be maybe $40 to fix (we have it covered with clear packing tape). <p><B>RIIIIGHT AGAIN, $100</B><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>If they don't even know what's wrong, this is a VERY neglected Volvo and 94s are not too great to start with
 

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Re: 850R or 850 Turbo? (rcr0412)

how about this one, seems like the guy did a lot of work<p><A HREF="http://volvoforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33433" TARGET="_blank">http://volvoforums.com/forum/s...33433</A>
 

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Re: 850R or 850 Turbo? (rcr0412)

Looks like something could have happened to the rear end of the car. The emblems on the trunk aren't in the proper place.
 

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hmm yeah i did notice that the t5r is in the wrong place, it seems like hes put a lot of work mechanically into it
 

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Re: 850R or 850 Turbo? (volvobuck)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>volvobuck</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Go 850 turbo, you can drop in the ecu after stage 0 and it drives like a stock R.. basically.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'd say better than a stock R. The stock R tune was only good at WOT for a few seconds, nothing that special.
 

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Re: 850R or 850 Turbo? (850arrrsaylikepirate)

The 850R was only different as stated, but it lasts for 30 seconds (the extra 2psi of boost).
 
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