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Hello:<p>I've been looking for a 740 wagon, and MAN, has it been a tough hunt!<p>I thought what I was looking for would be an easy find, but it has proved exactly the opposite. I wanted a 1988 or 1989 model, with leather and a roof rack, but WITHOUT a sunroof or turbo. Don't want the increased repair and maintenance issues of a turbo, and a sunroof cuts headroom, not good for us tall people.<p>Did all 740 wagons of this era come with a sunroof, or something? I have not found a single one for sale that does not have one, usually leaking or malfunctioning in some way (and quite a few are siliconed shut).<p>I might possibly be a bit more flexible about a turbo, but these are cars that are 17 and 18 years old, and it seems an awful crapshoot. If I found a car with really good maintenance records, or proof of turbo rebuilding, does that really put me ahead? And what about idle-down? Is it necessary to go through all that when you've just run around the corner for ice cream?<p>Hopefully, what I want is out there, but I've looked at some awfully nasty cars so far. I cannot BELIEVE what people do to the Bridge of Weir leather in a Volvo. I've seen it chewed on by dogs, wet on by kids, worn through by 300-pound butts. And conditioning? It's as if Lexol had never been invented. Crazy. Why would anyone spend the money on leather and give it absolutely NO care? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>If anyone knows about a nice car, I'd love to hear more. I'm in Atlanta, which does not help. If I were in the Boston, Philadelphia, or San Francisco areas, I could have more of a selection, I think. But what I'm finding here is nas-teeeeeeee. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emcocktl.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: 740 Search Woes (danemodsandy)

Sandy,<p>Nice anti-740 manuscript - publisher in mind?<p>Yes, I cleaned out the Atlanta area of all nice 740 wagons about 2003 when some buddies in Nova Scotia were buying up old Volvos...<p>Actually, I can't find any either.<p>If you would be willing to consider a perfect 240/940 wagon of the 90-94 vintage with no turbo and no sunroof then we can reach out to a larger sample.<p>George Dill<p>
 

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George:<p>Absolutely nothing against 740's! I would love to own one. My beef is with what people do to 'em. It doesn't seem to occur to many people to actually take CARE of such a sizeable investment (I mean when new). If someone is worried about what Lexol costs, or the price of a sunroof gasket, seems to me they have no business with a fine automobile. <p>I'm really looking for a 740. There's just something about them that appeals to me. I already have a 245, and want to move beyond that series. Nice cars, but a little tractor-like in their stance and handling. <p>I'll find one, I'm sure, but it's obvious that I need to be patient. I can see that in ten years, I'll probably be looking for a V70, and find that they all have broken nav screens and shredded Atacama leather.<BR><BR>
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OK, let's get searchin"!<p>Volvo 740 wagon, no sunroof, no turbo, good condition...<p>Use your EDIT FIND 740 (or wagon) to scroll down this...<p><A HREF="http://www.carsearch.com/search/volvo.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carsearch.com/search/volvo.htm</A><p><br>More later.<p>George Dill<p>
 

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Re: 740 Search Woes (gdill2)

Thanks, George!<p>Here's what I'm looking for:<p>An '88 or '89- after biodegradable wiring harnesses and before composite headlamps. Tired of polishing and replacing composites. Give me good old $7 Sylvania sealed beams any day (I know a lot of you will think I'm crazy for saying that, but I was taught to drive in the era when you were taught to slow down when conditions were too dark, and I still think it's an excellent idea).<p>A wagon with roof rack, but WITHOUT a turbo or sunroof.<p>Leather. Doesn't have to be perfect, but I'd like to have as few resto hassles as possible, know what I mean? Butterscotch is what I'd really like to have, but black is acceptable. No grey or burgundy interiors, and especially not blue- have blue now on my 240 and hate it.<p>Decent equipment- auto, air, PS, PB, PW, PDL, etc. Third seat would be nice, but can be added later, of course. Don't care at all about having alloys, though if they're on the car, they're on the car.<p>Exterior colour can vary quite a bit, except I don't like silver. White is first choice, but others are fine.<p>Looking for a nice straight example, preferably one that's been in someone's family since new that someone would like to find a good home for. Little problems like headliners, broken door pockets or bad PW switches don't bother me at all- I like fixing that kind of stuff.<p>Can we find this in the Atlanta/Georgia area? Hmm...
 

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Re: 740 Search Woes (danemodsandy)

I think you may be against a couple of problems. Let me clarify a few things for you so that you can feel comfortable with a couple of things.<p>1. You mentioned that you want a sunroof free car, because of head room.<p>I've heard this complaint before, and I'm 6'4" tall, and unless I decide to wear a 6" mowhawk, I suffer no head room problems. I think a sunroof free 745 is going to be rare indeed. And as for leaking, it really has nothing to do with the sunroof seal. The sunroof seal is not designed to completely stop water from getting past. the sun roof is designed so that any water that does get past it is caught in traps, and drained away through tubes in the pillars. Unfortunately many people allow their drain tubes to become clogged and this causes water to dam up and spill into the car. The tubes are not hard to clean out but most people are too lazy.<p>2. You stated that you're looking for a roof rack.<p>The roof racks are pretty common on 745s regardless of trim level, and if you find one with out it, consider yourself fortunate. The roof-racks become loose over time and the monuting holes seem to be a source for corrosion, and the racks are often wobbly and wouldn't really support any weight. Find one with out and invest in a nice yakima or other aftermarket brand. They're much more sturdy and don't damage the car as much. I removed the rack from my 1988 745, and it fell apart. There's not much to them.<p>3. You mentioned a non-turbo desire and asked about cool-down time.<p>Turbos in the 745 years you mentioned are both water and oil cooled. Unless you're very spirited in your run to the ice cream store around the corner, there isn't much need in a cool down period. But after 30 minutes of highway travel, or after a stoplight to stoplight full throttle sprint, you simply need to ease off the car for 30 - 45 seconds before shutting it down. The problem with hammering these cars and then immediately shutting them down is that the turbo can reach some crazy RPMS and like 25-30K RPMS, and if it's still spinning that fast when you stop the oil flow, or the coolant flow, it'll cook the oil around the bearings. But don't dismay, the Mitsubishi TD04H only costs about $100 to rebuild and provided the turbines are undamaged, its only a few hour job. There's a significant horsepower gain for the turbo cars, so don't discount one right off the bat.<p>4. You mentioned the seating material, and color.<p>One of the biggest issues is lack of care for the leather in these cars. I don't think most people have heard of lexol either. However interior wise, the seats are not the first to go, and neither is the dash. It's the headliner. I would like to beat the person that came up with that silly idea anyway. Cloth over foam on cardboard? Geesh. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>5. Euro style flush lenses seemed to be another concern for you.<p>Here Here! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> I could not agree more, however, you might find that we're in the minority. However, don't discount a flush headlight equipped car, just on this, because it's very cheap and easy to convert one to the older style lights. I've done it on two 1991 745s and have been happy with the results.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> All in all, from what you've described, you would probably be happiest with a 16Valve 745GLE. But, finding one is going to be quite a challenge and you'll still have to accept a sunroof.<p>I often find <A HREF="http://www.autotrader.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autotrader.com</A> a valuable resource.<p><A HREF="http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=202177229&dealer_id=57879752&car_year=1990&mod_bookmark_id=null&search_type=used&make=VOLVO&distance=75&model=740&address=30301&certified=&advanced=y&max_price=&bkms=1148675553304&min_price=&end_year=1990&start_year=1988&isp=y&lang=en&cardist=26" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/...st=26</A><p>the link above is in the atlanta area.<p><A HREF="http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=197281277&dealer_id=1050464&car_year=1989&mod_bookmark_id=null&search_type=used&make=VOLVO&distance=75&model=740GL&address=30301&certified=&advanced=y&max_price=&bkms=1148675553304&min_price=&end_year=1990&start_year=1988&isp=y&lang=en&cardist=11" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/...st=11</A><p>So is that one.<p>And if you're feeling adventurous and are willing to move up to a 765<br><A HREF="http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=200210315&dealer_id=57737241&car_year=1990&model=760&bkms=1148675553304&lang=en&isp=y&start_year=1988&mod_bookmark_id=null&certified=&search_type=used&distance=75&make=VOLVO&min_price=&address=30301&advanced=y&end_year=1990&max_price=&cardist=31" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/...st=31</A><br>It has flames on it. LOL <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Happy hunting and good luck.
 

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Re: 740 Search Woes (CarlieBentley)

Carlie:<p>I'm the same height as you are, and if you say there's enough headroom in a 745 with a sunroof, I can always go back and re-examine the issue. One problem I'm having is that I have little experience riding in or driving an actual 745; my reservation about headroom was based in bitter experience in other cars. Ford products are particularly bad about having no headroom in sunroof-equipped cars. So, you may have set my mind at ease about that issue. <p>So far as the sunroof leakage issue, I do understand what you're saying about roof drains and their importance. I'm also concerned about the cabling, motor, tracks, etc. Just more to go wrong, and I'm a pro-simplicity sort of person, y'know?<p>The headliner issue I can live with; I know it's epidemic among 740's (hell, it's epidemic among cars in general since GM pioneered that horrendous idea), and I've done foam/fabric headliners before, with great success. Just goes with the territory nowadays, even though I wish it didn't. What was wrong with vinyl headliners anyway? Anyway, doing a new headliner in a wagon is a breeze compared to a sedan, since getting the board out is so much easier- just slide it out the back.<p>I appreciate the info about turbo idle-down. I'm still not certain I want to get into it, but at least I know more than I did.<p>Glad to see someone agrees with me about sealed beams. I am so tired of trying to keep composites clear and unbroken, and of being blinded by other cars! It doesn't seem to occur to most people nowadays to just slow down in dark conditions- they want such bright headlights that they're blinding everyone else on the road. I know one older woman who can no longer drive at night because HID headlights blind her so badly. She's fine around sealed beams and regular composites, but not HID's.<p>I appreciate your post- it has been a trove of info and things to consider. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>
 

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Re: 740 Search Woes (danemodsandy)

Hi have you tried E-BAY? That is where I got teh 965. I was just on there and many 7 and 9 seris wagons to be had. See if you might like one or the other there? Also have 2 seris wagons if you think that might work out. Just to EBAY MOTORS and then search VOLVO and then WAGON and it all will come up for you. Three pages jsut now came up for me. Not all are 2/7/9's but alot were. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Hi:<p>I've been looking on eBay already. If something comes up in my area, I am perfectly open to buying that way. My big thing is that I will want to inspect the car closely before buying; I didn't get enough of a chance to inspect my 245 before I drove off, and have been paying the price ever since.<p>So far, all the eBay 740's have been way out of my area, making it pretty hard to inspect a car before bidding, but if any turn up that I can actually go look at, then I'll certainly want to do that. Most of what I've seen so far has been in the Northeast, hundreds of miles away. If I lived in MA or PA, I'd be sitting pretty, LOL.<p>Hopefully something in Georgia, Alabama, or Tennessee will turn up on eBay soon. Thanks for the suggestion!
 

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Yes and I would not buy one from there either. No north east car is worth the price you pay not even a VOLVO. I thou strangely enough bought my 965 in GA. And hour if that form Savannna. Drove to it and saw it and bought it. Bid on e-bay with the hold back that if it was not as shown and described I could leave and not buy. Most guys will do that for you. But in all fairness fo the price I got it for. Even if I had to tow it back and fix a few things it WAS WORTH IT! Or ship it as FLA to my house on one other car was only $400. A nicer 7-9 that is blue book for 5000-7000 and you pay 2000-3000 is a no brainer really. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I can appreciate what Sandy said about the limited number of well-maintained 740s out there. I'd go so far as to say that the same condition applies to 200s. <p>Its a condition that I believe is attributed to a condition called "cheapus ownerus".<p>Many owners treat their 200- and 700-series cars like appliances. Turn-it on, use the cheapest parts (in many cases the ones that are lowest quality), and change the oil when the engine starts to feel tight. Preventive maintenance? That concept only comes to mind after major problems arise and is a temporary fancy at best.<p>Skeptics are reminded to recall the number of "one posters" who join Swedespeed to solicit advice on repairs that were needed as a result of faulty maintenance or to seek information that's contained in their owner's manual.<p>No, the issue isn't where you buy the car, but from whom. <p>Incomplete service records? Walk away. A litany of problems? Most likely the result of inattentive ownership, followed by a cluster of cheap repairs. <p>Dealer service? I suppose that I'll have to be polite when, in reality, I must admit to being somewhat jaded by the care and attention to 200s and 700s that I've seen from the dealership network. Nevertheless, I'm open to the suggestion that dealership practices are conditioned by years of being exposed to skin-flint owners interested in more of a patch than a proper repair. <p>What about Joe repairman -- the guy who knows VWs but is so stumped by a 15 year old Volvo that the owner has to troll for service advice on the internet? I'll wager he's the mechanic of choice for somebody who thinks that they're getting a deal by paying a lower hourly rate.<p>The fact that 200s and 700s have lasted this long is a testament to their solid construction -- but in the end, it's man over machine. I cite Volvo's old jingle "drive it like you hate it" to illustrate that VCNA appears to have recognized the condition some time ago...<p>Those who need convincing can check out some of the most recent examples:<p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=59604" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=59604</A><br><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=59452" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=59452</A><br><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=59386" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=59386</A><br><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=59405" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=59405</A><br><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=57668" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=57668</A><p>The funny thing is that folks will end up spending more money trying to jury rig repairs and maintenance that would have been spent doing the job correctly. After screwing that up and spending countless dollars on botched and bodged reparis, they'll put the car up for sale.<p><BR><BR>
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Paul:<p>I've always been in agreement with you here; I saw what can happen to a Volvo long before I ever bought one.<p>In a company I once worked for, the plant manager fancied himself as a yuppie, intellectual sort- wouldn't have been caught dead listening to anything besides National Public Radio, had Ansel Adams posters everywhere, that sort of thing. Only one detail was lacking, and finally he signed his life away (this was about 1994 or 1995) to buy it- a nearly pristine Volvo 240 sedan.<p>Very handsome it was, too- navy blue, with a butterscotch interior and a matching pinstripe. The upscale look was nice while it lasted, which was mere weeks. It turned out that Mr. Wonderful "maintained" the 240 the same way he did things at work. He jerry-rigged "fixes" instead of buying the right part at Voluparts (mere blocks away), he put off doing anything until the car screamed in protest, and he was forever convinced that he was somehow improving the car by taking things apart and never putting them back together correctly. Before too long, a car that would have been a credit to any driver was a sad sight indeed. I can't imagine anyone would have bought it out of any motive other than sheer desperation.<p>I spent quite some time wondering why on earth he didn't follow the maintenance schedule and do proper repairs with the correct parts. It always seemed to me that he would have had a much more enjoyable ownership experience had he done so; there was always some crisis going on around the car. Of course, there was always some crisis going on in his work and his private life, as well, so perhaps he had some psychic need for chaos.<p>I pity any subsequent owner of that 240, unless it was a salvage yard. Even then, I wonder how many uncompromised parts were left on it; this was someone who would spend all day trying to "fix" something with pop rivets or glue or some damn thing, with Voluparts five minutes away. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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