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I recently brought in my R at the dealer and brought my own case of Mobile 1 Synthetic 10W 30 from Costco. I did not want to get charged $50.00 again when I can buy it for $28.00 at Costco. So anyway, I brought my R to the dealer and he told me the case of oil was not enough and that the R takes 6 1/2 quarts of oil. Can anyone verify this? So the 1/2 quart I was missing, they tossed it in for free. I had to take my R to keep up with the warrenty service since at the time, my 2004 R has only 7458 miles on it. On a side note, how often should the pollen filter be changed? Thanks.
 

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Re: 6 1/2 Quarts of Mobil One Synthetic?? (bouncer)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bouncer</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So anyway, I brought my R to the dealer and he told me the case of oil was not enough and that the R takes 6 1/2 quarts of oil.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Quite simply, you're dealer is another glowing case of cluelessness. If you look in the owner's manual, the LPT only takes 6.1 so how can the R take more with an oil sensor in the crankcase? The correct fill is 5.5L (5.8 qt). Pull the dipstick, see the overfill and then take that R back to the dealer for an education. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=62250" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=62250</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bouncer</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On a side note, how often should the pollen filter be changed?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Every 15,000 per owner's manual.<p>And BTW, a Type R is a Honda product. Change your profile. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: 6 1/2 Quarts of Mobil One Synthetic?? (MagoonR)

THanks Magoon,<p>I will take a look at the oil level myself.
 

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Re: 6 1/2 Quarts of Mobil One Synthetic?? (bouncer)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bouncer</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">THanks Magoon,<p>I will take a look at the oil level myself.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Always a good idea to check ANY mechanic's work whether pulling the dipstick or resetting the tire pressures.
 

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Re: 6 1/2 Quarts of Mobil One Synthetic?? (bouncer)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bouncer</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I recently brought in my R at the dealer and brought my own case of Mobile 1 Synthetic 10W 30 from Costco. I did not want to get charged $50.00 again when I can buy it for $28.00 at Costco. So anyway, I brought my R to the dealer and he told me the case of oil was not enough and that the R takes 6 1/2 quarts of oil. Can anyone verify this? So the 1/2 quart I was missing, they tossed it in for free. I had to take my R to keep up with the warrenty service since at the time, my 2004 R has only 7458 miles on it. On a side note, how often should the pollen filter be changed? Thanks.</TD></TR></TABLE>yep this is true and if you run you R very hard like some of us do 7 quarts is not a bad idea either. I put 7 in mine every time.
 

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Re: 6 1/2 Quarts of Mobil One Synthetic?? (bouncer)

The pollen filter <I>should</I> be changed for you at no charge (and you <I>shouldn't</I> need to ask for it either) during the 15K and 30K intervals covered under the'04's free scheduled maintenance program.<p>- Tryg
 

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Re: 6 1/2 Quarts of Mobil One Synthetic?? (BOOSTED S60R)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BOOSTED S60R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yep this is true and if you run you R very hard like some of us do 7 quarts is not a bad idea either. I put 7 in mine every time.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Better check your oil level behavior better.<br>The I5's have a tendency to dump the first quarter on the stick through the crank vent system.<br>After that the level stays for much longer.
 

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Re: 6 1/2 Quarts of Mobil One Synthetic?? (bouncer)

I believe in putting exactly 6 quarts and checking it regularly <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nikhsub1</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Err, excuse my ignorance but can't overfilling the crankcase lead to excessive oil pressure? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>absolutely not. the oil pump is responsible for oil pressure, not the oil level.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">absolutely not. the oil pump is responsible for oil pressure, not the oil level.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So if I run a couple quarts low with a good oil pump...that's okay?<p>I was always told that oil overfill will increase pressure and potentially cause oil frothing since the crankshaft may contact the oil. In short, neither excessive overfilled or underfilled is good.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I was always told that oil overfill will increase pressure and potentially cause oil frothing since the crankshaft may contact the oil. In short, neither excessive overfilled or underfilled is good.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yes the crankshaft will cause frothing...i have seen it before. but the level of the oil itself will not affect the pump's output pressure, unless, OF COURSE, it is so low that the sump is virtually empty. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p>2.65 feet of oil column = 1psi
 

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Re: 6 1/2 Quarts of Mobil One Synthetic?? (Johann)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Better check your oil level behavior better.<br>The I5's have a tendency to dump the first quarter on the stick through the crank vent system.<br>After that the level stays for much longer.</TD></TR></TABLE>I have never had any problems, when my friend first told me about putting that much oil in i watched it everyday checking it making sure everything was ok. Mine has been fine.
 

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Re: 6 1/2 Quarts of Mobil One Synthetic?? (MagoonR)

I gotta tell you every time I've taken my R in for an oil change or done it myself it takes slightly more than 6 quarts to get the oil to the right mark on the dipstick. I wonder if the discrepency here is the difference between crankcase capacity and crankcase + filter housing capacity?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Quite simply, you're dealer is another glowing case of cluelessness. If you look in the owner's manual, the LPT only takes 6.1 so how can the R take more with an oil sensor in the crankcase? The correct fill is 5.5L (5.8 qt). Pull the dipstick, see the overfill and then take that R back to the dealer for an education. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=62250" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=62250</A><p>Every 15,000 per owner's manual.<p>And BTW, a Type R is a Honda product. Change your profile. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE>
 

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Re: 6 1/2 Quarts of Mobil One Synthetic?? (BOOSTED S60R)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BOOSTED S60R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yep this is true and if you run you R very hard like some of us do 7 quarts is not a bad idea either. I put 7 in mine every time.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm amazed at 7qts! What does the dipstick show when you load it up with 7qts? I hope this advice came from someone very knowledgable of the Volvo I5, BOOSTED can you enlighten us please?<p>From way back in highschool autoshop class we learned that too much oil can be just as bad as too little for exactly the reason that phuz quotes below:<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>yes the <U><B>crankshaft will cause frothing</B></U>...i have seen it before. but the level of the oil itself will not affect the pump's output pressure, unless, OF COURSE, it is so low that the sump is virtually empty. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p>2.65 feet of oil column = 1psi</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Granted when I learned this it was in reference to small block Chevy 350/305 and Ford 302.<p>I fill mine right to the top of the dipstick's full marks. In fact, with my last change on my XC90 it put about 0.5L too much and when back under the car and drained it to exactly the full mark.<p>LTA<br>
 

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Re: 6 1/2 Quarts of Mobil One Synthetic?? (Helmut Ranff)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Helmut Ranff</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is there any one who gets full on the dipstick at 6 quarts ?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>At the last change, I gave the dealer a bit less than 6 quarts of M1 and it's just right...though I add a bit inbetween changes.
 

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Yes, mine hits the full mark on exactly 6 quarts. But, I let it drain for about an hour before sealing it up and adding new oil. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>And I also fill the oil filter before screwing it on. Maybe this is overkill, but I have nightmares (well maybe night ponies) about the engine starting dry after an oil change. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> yes the crankshaft will cause frothing...i have seen it before. but the level of the oil itself will not affect the pump's output pressure, unless, OF COURSE, it is so low that the sump is virtually empty. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The addition of excess oil to a crankcase is a trick that autocrossers sometimes use to prevent the oil pump pick-up from being starved of lubricant during aggressive cornering. As phuz indicated, an excess of oil in the crankcase will cause frothing. This is because the oil level is sufficiently high as to interfere with the counterweights of the rotating crankshaft.<p>Frothing oil CAN cause excessive crankcase pressures. Aerated oil occupies a great deal of space -- sometimes high enough to interfere with the crankcase breathing system. When this occurs, the system is unable to maintain the crankcase at, or below, ambient pressure.<p>Pressure build-up in the crankcase is a function of blow-by and heat. While the percentage of blow-by is quite small in a very tight engine (~5%), it has the potential of dislodging main seals. This is particularly true in turbo engines, which typically operate at much a higher combustion pressure.<p>I wouldn't recommend overfilling the crankcase in any Volvo -- replacing blown seals can be very expensive. Besides, the shape of the oil pan and pick-up in a B5xxxF or FT motor is sufficient to cover the oil pump pick-up up to at least 0.8g. <p>Those wishing to consistently drive beyond 0.8g may wish to have an ACCUSUMP system plumbed into their engines' lubricating system. An ACCUSUMP system helps the engine maintain oil pressure during those *brief* periods that the car is operated beyond its normal limits. It can also be used to "pre-charge" the lubication system prior to start-up -- effectively ending the wear that occurs during normal engine start-up.<p>Hope this helps,
 

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Re: 6 1/2 Quarts of Mobil One Synthetic?? (Lead Foot 60)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Lead Foot 60</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I also fill the oil filter before screwing it on. Maybe this is overkill, but I have nightmares (well maybe night ponies) about the engine starting dry after an oil change. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>This isn't overkill. Its a very wise practice that enables the engine to build oil pressure more quickly following a change. <p>Well done!
 
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