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They'll pry 5W-30 out of my cold dead hands. It used to be volvo spec, for me it shall continue to be volvo spec.
Is volvo trying to save the whales or amazon rain forest with this move? Who knows. But out here in TX it's 110F in the shade during the summer and I want a nice thick oil since it soon breaks down anyway.
Is volvo trying to save the whales or amazon rain forest with this move? Who knows. But out here in TX it's 110F in the shade during the summer and I want a nice thick oil since it soon breaks down anyway.
Generally speaking, the thermostat and cooling system keep the oil temperatures within normal operating limits, even on a hot day. Much of the wear on the journals comes at startup. When the engine is shut off the oil film that they ride on is lost and there can be metal to metal contact at startup. Lower viscosity helps the oiling system get oil to the journals quickly, especially in colder weather.
Specifically speaking, Volvo has discovered some sort of technical issue with 5w-30 oil in this engine, I know not what. Why else would they now specifically say that we should use 0W20 and not 10W30? I think I'll do what Volvo recommends, and I live in Phoenix part of the year and my car sometimes sees 110 deg F temperatures, too.
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I won't change the oil that was spec'd for my engine at time of manufacture until I see a Service Bulletin from Volvo that blesses the latest technology oil for my engine. I'm sure the new spec that the dealer switched to is appropriate for the current year model, but what about older cars? The dealership I worked at had one big bulk oil tank. Whatever the flavor that was in the tank went in every oil change. Turns out that product was what caused the cam lobes to scrub off the camshafts. That Service Bulletin, and my oil change records can make or break a goodwill plea to Volvo, or, worst case, a $5,000 limit small claims case if everything goes Tango Uniform.
Hi, 0W-20 has always been oil- spec for VEA- engines in Europe (since 2014). I guess engines are similar all over the world.
0w-20 is the factory fill. The TSB can be seen here https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10171688-9999.pdf
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It wasn't "Volvo Spec". While your manual may say 5W-30 recommended (given the spec oil wasn't available in the US initially), Volvo Spec has been VCC RBS0-2AE/SAE 0W-20 from inception on all SPA cars. It could be found through a few sources originally in the US - there's LiquiMoly, Ravensol, Total, and Castrol that I've seen. If you read further in your manual it even says for Extreme Engine Operation to use Volvo Spec 0W-20. Why wouldn't you want to use the oil the engine was designed too especially in extreme conditions? There's a really good discussion that Billlk9989 pointed you to that yields the same conclusion.
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DON'T CHANGE YOURS! The spec we're talking about is only for 2016+ XC90 using the new VEA 4 Cyl engines. In our 2010 XC90 3.2 I do use the recommended German Castrol 0W-40 for extreme operation since we tow under a wide variety of conditions ranging from 10°F to 110°F and in our 2017 XC90 T8 I use the spec we're discussing here. Each has its own spec and design requirements.
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CarParts Discount is where I've been getting LiquiMoly Special Tec V 0W-20. There are other places where I've also seen it including by Total and Ravensol which make special Volvo flavored 0W-20. I've not seen Castrol's version except at our dealer but I had been taking LiquiMoly to them since our first 10k service in 2018. Back then they were using 5W-30 which I wanted to avoid since we do tow a lot. About 14% of our miles driven with our T8 are towing (our 2010 has been even a higher %) year round and in extreme winter conditions over mountain passes.
See the "Extreme engine operation" section - to me that was an indication that it was the better choice overall.
Although ours is a T8, I would imagine you have the same in your owner's manual plus under our hood we have this label which was likely something they didn't want to sacrifice on for T8 models given they need to survive a higher rate of cold engine starts while the vehicle is already at speed and on/off cycles than a T6. The ICE is the same between T6 and T8 with the difference being the extra electric drive bits.
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/special-tec-v-sae-0w-20-5liter-liqui-moly-lm20200
And its only few dollars more than 5W's sold at Wallyworld.
Will you be prying it from your cold dead hands..?
Lol...sorry couldnt resist, bad humor - this not meant to be a personal dig, no offense honestly.
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May end up getting some 0W-20 now.https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/special-tec-v-sae-0w-20-5liter-liqui-moly-lm20200
And its only few dollars more than 5W's sold at Wallyworld.
Will you be prying it from your cold dead hands..?
Lol...sorry couldnt resist, bad humor - this not meant to be a personal dig, no offense honestly.
My V90 says 5W-30. I wonder if Volvo will come out with a replacement decal for that panel under the hood. Maybe Tech knows.CarParts Discount is where I've been getting LiquiMoly Special Tec V 0W-20. There are other places where I've also seen it including by Total and Ravensol which make special Volvo flavored 0W-20. I've not seen Castrol's version except at our dealer but I had been taking LiquiMoly to them since our first 10k service in 2018. Back then they were using 5W-30 which I wanted to avoid since we do tow a lot. About 14% of our miles driven with our T8 are towing (our 2010 has been even a higher %) year round and in extreme winter conditions over mountain passes.
See the "Extreme engine operation" section - to me that was an indication that it was the better choice overall.
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Although ours is a T8, I would imagine you have the same in your owner's manual plus under our hood we have this label which was likely something they didn't want to sacrifice on for T8 models given they need to survive a higher rate of cold engine starts while the vehicle is already at speed and on/off cycles than a T6. The ICE is the same between T6 and T8 with the difference being the extra electric drive bits.
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Had oil changed on my 2007 XC-70 at my trusted independent Volvo garage last month, they used 5W-30, as always.
Had oil changed on my wife's 2009 Toyota RAV4 at her usual garage. They used 0W-20 full synthetic. After cringing at the price, I asked why. Was told 0W-20 is the current "spec" oil by Toyota, and 0W-20 is ONLY made in full synthetic.
I wonder if new mfr. oil specs are "supposed" to be applied to older cars, or if this is mostly an opportunity for service shops to make more off an oil change. Next oil change I will SPECIFY 5W-30
yes volvo sent stacks of labels and they cover the old label. after next service yours will likely say 0w-20 too
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Lowes has Castrol Edge 0w20 at $23, I have 10% off at Lowes right now. Is there anywhere to get 5qt bottles of Castrol Edge 0w20 for < $20.7 rn?
https://www.lowes.com/pd/CASTROL-ED...LXCLxgGJd2cL4v9x2rRoCboQQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Thanks guys.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/CASTROL-ED...LXCLxgGJd2cL4v9x2rRoCboQQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
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Yeah, that is not the correct oil for your car. For Castrol you need to find Castrol Edge Professional V 0w20 and make sure it has VCC-RBS0-2AE on the label.
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