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Hi all...new here...<p>I am looking for a 850/V70 and have spotted some potential buys. Given the opportunity, would you rather have a <B>5-spd T-5</B> or a <B>V70 R AWD</B>? I haven't seen either car in person yet, but based on the ads, the R is lower mileage and looks to be in better shape, but it also costs more. Both are 1998. <p>I instinctively would prefer the 5 speed and I understand they are hard to come by, but I haven't seen many R AWD's either, and there is something about it that is tempting me...<p>Which would you choose? <p><IMG SRC="http://www.broadspeed.com/images/model-images/Volvo_V70_R_5.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>pic for views only
 

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Re: 5-speed V70 T-5 OR V70 R AWD? (juan_m)

If you want a stick, get the T5. If you want an automatic with AWD, get the R.<p>I would get the T5 manual, but that's just me.
 

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They're both pretty unique cars but I would go for the manual trans. You could go the R route and do a manual swap but that's a world of pain finding an M58 transmission etc. etc.<br>
 

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Re: (Big Will)

The 5 speed (T5) wagon is a rare bird but do you really want to shift in SoCal traffic all day long?
 

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If you are commuting in the LA/San Diego areas, shifting IS something to consider. I was thrilled to find a relatively low mileage 98 S70 T5 Manual in 12/05. After driving it full time in LA traffic, I actually prefer my 99 S70 auto NA (NON TURBO!) for the commute! I save the manual for weekends & only a day or 2 during the week.<p>FYI -check out Auto Trader in the LA area - there are at least 4 V70 R's w/ normal mileage, including a 98V70R w/ only 73k for $9995 in Huntington Beach CA (IM me for details if you'd like, it's the same place I bought my 98, specializing in Volvos).
 

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Re: 5-speed V70 T-5 OR V70 R AWD? (juan_m)

V70 R = more power<br>V70 T5M = more fun<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>*ducks for cover*
 

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Re: 5-speed V70 T-5 OR V70 R AWD? (t5mmmm)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>t5mmmm</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">V70 R = more power<br>V70 T5M = more fun<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>*ducks for cover*</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Not true one bit.<br>The R has about 10 more hp which is WAY offset by its 250 lbs of more weight<br>250 lbs = about 25 hp<B> loss</B><br>T5 5 speed (and auto), faster than an R
 

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Not to mention that you lose more power to the AWD system at least at the wheels. But I agree that if you're gonna be in tons of traffic it's not fun to have a stick. But maybe it is... ;-)
 

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If you can find a saffron V70R go for it. Very rare color only offered that year in the C70 and V70R. I love mine....except for the fact that it's an automatic.
 

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Buy the MY'00 it's a 5 speed AT,I like it a lot,give it a Rica tuning and you have a very fast car as well,despite all the power loss of the AWD <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: 5-speed V70 T-5 OR V70 R AWD? (juan_m)

Manual all the way! I just found mine (98 T5 M) and couldn't be happier. I just came back from a Volvo swap meet in Davis and saw plenty of both. I hear disaster stories about the AWD in the R, and everyone seems to be very thrilled about manual transmissions for the T-5. Also there seem to be so many options to upgrade a V70 T-5 that the R becomes a difference mainly in cosmetics- seats, front bumber etc.)<br>Go with the T-5 and be one of the 300+/- drivers in the US!<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: 5-speed V70 T-5 OR V70 R AWD? (in giro)

What are the disaster stories you hear about the AWD in the R? Never had any problems on mine. Although I agree with you the the manual is definitely the way to go and if I had a choice I'd got with the T5 stick....but the saffron wagon is just so cool to look at...especially this evening as the sun was setting the red/orange sky hitting the paint was just breathtaking.
 

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Re: 5-speed V70 T-5 OR V70 R AWD? (soledoc)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>soledoc</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What are the disaster stories you hear about the AWD in the R? Never had any problems on mine. Although I agree with you the the manual is definitely the way to go and if I had a choice I'd got with the T5 stick....but the saffron wagon is just so cool to look at...especially this evening as the sun was setting the red/orange sky hitting the paint was just breathtaking.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Alright alreday, get over your car
 

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Re: 5-speed V70 T-5 OR V70 R AWD? (JRL)

Thanks for the replies. So what is the deal with the reliability of the AWD drivetrain, and the comment on the inferior handling with the AWD? I have done many searches and haven't really seen anything specific...Is it really that prone to break down? Isn't this a Haldex system?<p>I have always presumed AWD to be better balanced than FWD...coming from the VW/Audi universe I don't think I've ever heard anyone say an AWD anything is worse handling than the FWD counterpart and haven't heard of issues with the Haldex in the Audi TT (though admittedly I have never read up on them much)<p>thanks
 

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I have the AWD and can't say I have a problem with the handling. There are a few things you can do relatively inexpensively to tighten up the handling no matter what Volvo you get.<p>As for the maintenance issue, the Bevel gear is sensitive to improper balance, tire wear, etc. Basically just be careful about keeping the correct pressures in your tires and rotate them often. The problem is that the sealed unit leaks when it's over stressed and it's very expensive to fix and more expensive to replace. Hope that helped a bit.
 

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Re: 5-speed V70 T-5 OR V70 R AWD? (dicostal)

I went to see the V70 T-5M yesterday that I found for sale locally...and was disappointed in the overall condition of the vehicle. <p>The front hood was littered with paint chips, and the interior was a little strange. Almost all the switches looked like they had either been melted in the sun or were gouged with a flat head screwdriver, it was really weird. Are the interiors of these cars that fragile or am I expecting too much for an 8 yr old vehicle for $8k?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>The whole suspension felt really loose and jittery. I think it had Bilsteins...unless the stock front shocks/struts are yellow, then they may have just been shot. The rear suspension felt like I was driving a pickup the way it bounced and rattled as I went over bumps. A '97 855 I drove the other day felt much more tight and hunkered down than this car. Then it had these horrible (IMHO) Enkei wheels that I would've had to ditch immediately if I bought the car (and the front right tire had a big screw in it on top of that!) The front brakes had been modified with cross-drilled rotors and Mintex pads, but the brake feel was really soft and mushy. No sway bars that I could tell from peeking underneath.<br>Overall, I think the motor felt strong, but I had to get used to the light clutch take-up vs. what I am used to in my GTI.<p>So in the end, this wasn't the Volvo for me, manual or otherwise. If anyone in San Diego/SoCal wants it, it is there for the taking, just be forwarned.<p>Link <A HREF="http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=193316079&dealer_id=27532960&car_year=1998&search_type=both&make=VOLVO&model=V70&distance=100&transmission=&make2=sel_one&address=92127&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&bkms=1148193473281&max_price=12000&min_price=1&first_record=26&end_year=2007&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&pager.offset=25&engine=&lang=en&fuel=&doors=&cardist=18" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/...st=18</A>
 

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Re: 5-speed V70 T-5 OR V70 R AWD? (juan_m)

Actually CDR-9's are the best Enkeis for a Volvo.<br>Yellow shocks are Konis so the shocks were probably OK, Probably needs strut mounts or sway bar links (that all have sway bars). May need a steering rack and most definitely tie rod ends at those miles.<br>ALL Volvos will have stone chips, nature of the hood design<br>At 115K+ these front ends usually need total rebuild<br>The rear could be as small as a loose tailgate repair or a broken shock or shock mount (cheap) but you will probably soend 1500 on it, they all need about that much, used.<br>I can't tell you about the interior from here with no pictures
 

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Re: 5-speed V70 T-5 OR V70 R AWD? (JRL)

OK, Jim, I'm over my car. Sorry for liking a car that I own. I guess I shouldn't be proud to have a car. I should just drive it and that's it. No more comments about it again. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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