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Okay, so I know tuners offer programs to increase hp;<p>And, I know that Haldex could (if it wanted to - unless it's contractually prohibited) release a software update to the AWD system (I know they won't - it's been discussed at length separately);<p>But, do you think 4C could benefit from a "tune" or are the issues we have just inherent in the speed of the processors involved or the nature of the system on a whole? Volvo's not the only one to offer an active chassis. How do those systems work in comparison? I think I recall reading that the Porsche system can get "spooky" too...<p>-Eric
 

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Re: 4C Software Stuff... (Sue Esponte)

i dont think its the speed of the processors.<br>a 500hz sampling rate means that the computer is reading its sensors every 2.4" of road if you are going 70mph.<p>thats pretty damn accurate.
 

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Re: 4C Software Stuff... (phuz)

No clue. That's why I asked, but I think I recall reading that the brain in the '05+ is a bit faster than the '04 model...which supposedly allows the system to better respond to road irregularities. Most of us with '05+ models laugh at the latter half of that statement.<p>-Eric
 

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The calculation might be different, but the 2004 models still read the data 500 times/second.
 

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Re: 4C Software Stuff... (Sue Esponte)

It seems to me that one of the biggest complaints of the 4C system is that it's trying to do TOO much TOO fast in dynamic manuevering and road conditions when the driver would simply like a 'predictable' and consistent response from the suspension.<p>If the system overall is faster ... maybe part of the problem is that the software is trying TOO hard to constantly change things instead of recognizing that while manuevering, it's important to keep the suspension responsiveness at some consistent level so the driver won't be surprised by sudden changes in how the car responds to his inputs.<p>Maybe 4C software just needs to be "toned down" so it tries to set broader thresholds that don't vary much while manuevering inputs are being applied by the driver.
 

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Re: 4C Software Stuff... (dawghouse)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>dawghouse</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe 4C software just needs to be "toned down" so it tries to set broader thresholds that don't vary much while manuevering inputs are being applied by the driver.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>it does. We discussed this about a week ago or so.<p>Now to get someone to do it....I bet we'd have no problem getting a bunch of orders together!
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The calculation might be different, but the 2004 models still read the data 500 times/second.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Actually they don't (04's), they lied which is one reason why they upgraded the 05's so that it really can process 500 times a second
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they lied...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>They still do:<p><A HREF="http://www.volvocars.us/models/s60/which/Variant/variants.htm#_ctl0__ctl0_defaultContentPlaceHolder_navigationContentPlaceHolder_item4" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvocars.us/models...item4</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">0 to 60 mph in 5.4 seconds with manual transmission</TD></TR></TABLE>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Actually they don't (04's), they lied which is one reason why they upgraded the 05's so that it really can process 500 times a second</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's shameful of Volvo, how could they have undersized the CPU for this? It's an outrage, I'm mad <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> and I don't even have that problem (mine is an MY06).<p>It's like BMW and their stupid Idrive BS. I sat in my buddies brand new 2006 745 and watch him painfully flip through menus to change a CD track, I sweat it took 60 seconds, all the waiting for the bogged down automotive Windows CE I-Drive thing to resond to your input is CRAZY. Okay I'm off topic, but it makes my blood boil, sorry...<br> For Volvo to have used a processor that can't keep up with the needed real-time processing for 4C is a CRIME! Man I'm pissed for all your '04 owners <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>LTA<br>
 

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I do appreciate the vicarious outrage, but listening to what 05/06 owners complain about here it isn't clear that upping the processing speed has fixed the sidehop issue
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kenschel</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I do appreciate the vicarious outrage, but listening to what 05/06 owners complain about here it isn't clear that upping the processing speed has fixed the sidehop issue</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yeah, why the outrage?<br>04-05-06 they all react the same to poor roads, lousy
 

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Come on guys. Give LTA a little support, will you? He's mad as hell and he's not going to take it anymore! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, why the outrage?<br>04-05-06 they all react the same to poor roads, lousy</TD></TR></TABLE><p>why the outrage? What with all yer fancy mods, have you forgotten that the sidehop sucks for those of us who still have it? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> Call me crazy, but I still resent having to spend money to modify a $40k+ car to FIX design flaws. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Maybe I'm lucky, or maybe it just dosen't bother me, but I would have not even thought of the side-step issue if it were not for this forum. I'm not saying that you guys don't have it, but I also think some of the roads you guys travel daily suck. VA has fairly decent roads, the majority are paved with asphault, not concrete. I use sport mode most often, and comfort when the wife is in the car. I have yet to be freaked out by a side step. I know some of you live in PA/NJ/NY/CT, and a lot of those roads are paved with concrete slabs that have joints about every 50 ft or so to allow for expanding and contracting with the harsh change in climate. These roads suck for any car with a somewhat stiff suspension and a tire that is below 50 in profile. If I had to drive roads like that every day in this car I would probably complain as well, but as for roads in relatively stable climate I think the 4C does just fine. Just my $.02.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Yeah, why the outrage?<br>04-05-06 they all react the same to poor roads, lousy</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Okay, okay... I take it back. I'm not that angry about the underpowerd 4C procecessor in pre-MY05 R's. I was wearing my jaded I/T-guy's hat when I wrote that (MS has made my day job lots of 'fun'). I know the end result is still the same for 04, 05 and 06. Maybe some eventual S/W upgrades for MY05&06 will take advantage of the extra (CPU) horespower and make 4C better in the bumpy turns, then I'll turn up the RAGE again for ya'll MY04 guys!<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ljjones</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Come on guys. Give LTA a little support, will you? He's mad as hell and he's not going to take it anymore! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>YEAH, what HE said!<p>Just be glad our R's don't run on MS Windows CE like the poor beemer IDrive (although I believe my NAV is MS Windows based <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> down with Bill Gates! ...okay, I'm off that soap box).<p>Thanks for letting me vent <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ... now back to my before bed martini <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emcocktl.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>LTA<br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LTA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> down with Bill Gates!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Give the poor (okay, bad adjective use) guy a break. Didn't you hear? He's unhappy that he's the richest man in the world... it's a real burden! So sad. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I've seen his house up close and I'm quite sure that he's not all that upset about where he's at in life.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LTA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Just be glad our R's don't run on MS Windows CE like the poor beemer IDrive (although I believe my NAV is MS Windows based <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> down with Bill Gates! ...okay, I'm off that soap box).<p>Thanks for letting me vent <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ... now back to my before bed martini <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emcocktl.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>LTA</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Take a look at the RTI box next time. The Navi is Windows CE. Which explains the speed.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>I Roll</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not saying that you guys don't have it, but I also think some of the roads you guys travel daily suck.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>They do! But the problem is, no other cars I've ever driven (even other S60 models) have the problems over the same exact same roads. Trammeling is one thing. My Z3 was King. The R, however, literally jumps in different directions.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>I Roll</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know some of you live in PA/NJ/NY/CT, and a lot of those roads are paved with concrete slabs that have joints about every 50 ft or so to allow for expanding and contracting with the harsh change in climate.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I <b>wish</b> most of them were paved in concrete. I can deal with expansion joints. It just sounds like you're riding in the Kentucky Derby. From my experience, the 4C doesn't have any problem handling concrete highways. It's the potholes and ruts in the asphalt roads that are the problem. And, at least around here, most of our roads are blacktop. Concrete roads tend to be flat (until they're torn apart by Mother Nature). Asphalt tends to take the shape of the route most traveled...which means that the roads warp into mysterious shapes from the mixture of 100 degree Summer heat and 0 degree Winter cold we see North of the Mason-Dixon. Add to that very heavy trucks, and the center lane in the highway might as well be the Raceway in Disney World (you know, that track for the kids with the rail running between the car's tires). Asphalt also doesn't like snow and ice. Once a pothole appears, it's poorly patched, creates a new rut and will certainly fail nearby, which will them be patched, creating a second rut...and the chain goes on until you're driving along nothing more than what feels like a series of pothole patches. That, my friend, is something that the 4C does not like. Our old Bimmers, Audis, Subarus, Saab, etc...no problem with it.<p>-Eric<p>-Eric
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Sue Esponte</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...and the chain goes on until you're driving along nothing more than what feels like a series of pothole patches. That, my friend, is something that the 4C does not like. Our old Bimmers, Audis, Subarus, Saab, etc...no problem with it. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, my R has yet to take a trip up north, so once I get a chance to do it I might have a better understanding. I just wanted to point it out for possible newbies that for roads that are maintained properly the 4C acts pretty much the way you expect it to.
 
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