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So, when is someone going to develop a way to replace 4C with a set of Koni FSD's matched to to the TME springs???<p>I would buy it in a second.<p>Erik
 

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Re: 4C replacement (erika)

Or even just to completely disable it, and put in some Mcpherson struts and shocks with some decent coils.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>erika</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So, when is someone going to develop a way to replace 4C with a set of Koni FSD's matched to to the TME springs???<p>I would buy it in a second.<p>Erik</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yeah, it's called pull the (4C) fuse and add TME springs and IPD bars
 

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Re: 4C replacement (JRL)

Well, there are at least two problems with the pull the fuse method.<p>1) I doubt that the stockers without 4C input work as well as a set of FSD's would.<p>2) The stockers will wear out. And replacing them with stock will be $$$. I assume, anyway...does someone actually know dealer list on the stock units?<p>Erik
 

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Re: 4C replacement (erika)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>erika</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, there are at least two problems with the pull the fuse method.<p>1) I doubt that the stockers without 4C input work as well as a set of FSD's would.<br>Erik</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, the stock shocks without 4C work very well. Somewhere between comfort and advanced in stiffness.
 

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Re: 4C replacement (needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> Somewhere between <B>comfort and advanced</B> in stiffness. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I sure hope so <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> (did you look what you wrote)?
 

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Re: 4C replacement (erika)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>erika</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, there are at least two problems with the pull the fuse method.<p>1) I doubt that the stockers without 4C input work as well as a set of FSD's would.<p>2) The stockers will wear out. And replacing them with stock will be $$$. I assume, anyway...does someone actually know dealer list on the stock units?<p>Erik</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think the shocks w/o 4C are somewhere between sport and advanced in stiffness. On our roads here, it is a little jarring for everyday use, but it might be different where you are. I don't think there is any reason to believe the shocks will wear out more quickly with 4c disabled (if that is what you are saying). However those shocks might be dang pricey, you are right. My prediction is that in 10 years, very few R owners will be investing the money to keep the 4C system operational as it was originally designed--either they'll just run without it after it craps out, or use some brilliant electronic remedy that somebody has yet to invent that improves the original and makes it work right (people might pay for that, even on a 10 yr old car).
 

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Re: 4C replacement (kenschel)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kenschel</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the shocks w/o 4C are somewhere between sport and advanced in stiffness. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>With stock springs and 4C Fuse pulled, my R was a wallowy boat, more body roll than in comfort. Tires stayed planted though...<p>I'm going to be running 165+ mph on autobahn tomorrow, and lapping Nurburgring with 4C disabled, but with TME springs and 22mm rear sway.<p>Will let you all know how it goes...
 

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Re: 4C replacement (kenschel)

I think Moose is exactly right. There are going to be a lot of S60/V70R on the road with error messages when yanking accelormeters and using other shocks
 

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Re: 4C replacement ("R" Kelly)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">With stock springs and 4C Fuse pulled, my R was a wallowy boat, more body roll than in comfort. Tires stayed planted though...<p>I'm going to be running 165+ mph on autobahn tomorrow, and lapping Nurburgring with 4C disabled, but with TME springs and 22mm rear sway.<p>Will let you all know how it goes... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I've heard folks talk of the the wallowiness when disconnecting 4C, but when I've run with it off I honestly didn't notice it...but that was driving on ordinary roads, not at the track, and certainly not at those speeds. Be careful out there
 

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Re: 4C replacement (kenschel)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kenschel</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I've heard folks talk of the the wallowiness when disconnecting 4C, but when I've run with it off I honestly didn't notice it...but that was driving on ordinary roads, not at the track, and certainly not at those speeds. Be careful out there</TD></TR></TABLE><br>As said, the stock springs are soft (er)
 

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Re: 4C replacement (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Actually, the stock shocks without 4C work very well. Somewhere between comfort and advanced in stiffness. </TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I sure hope so <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> (did you look what you wrote)?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Doh! Whoops! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I meant between comfort and sport, obviously. <p>Must have needed caffiene!
 

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Well, what I ment re: stock shox wearing out had nothing to do with runing them disconected. Shox just wear out. Some faster than others, but most oem stuff is done before 100k, less if rough roads, etc. And I bet the oe volvo 4c units cost mucho $$$. As far as the way they work while new, I suspect they are good (for oe) shox, but the FSD's are a very interesting technology that I feel is GREAT for a street car.<p>Erik
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>erika</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, what I ment re: stock shox wearing out had nothing to do with runing them disconected. Shox just wear out. Some faster than others, but most oem stuff is done before 100k, less if rough roads, etc. And I bet the oe volvo 4c units cost mucho $$$. As far as the way they work while new, I suspect they are good (for oe) shox, but the FSD's are a very interesting technology that I feel is GREAT for a street car.<p>Erik</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Shoot, in the old days an OEM shock was good for 12-15K TOPS but shocks have come a long way<br>An OEM shock now is good for 40 to 70K depending on the manufacturer, the roads and the car itself<br>I believe the R shock retails in the $700 range, <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> you can buy 4 REALLY GOOD shocks for the price of 1 and a half R shock.<br>Someone should approach Penske with a group buy for a set of custom shocks. (Those are infinitly adjustable and with a good set of springs would makle the R really work well.<p>I've said this before, at some point Volvo is going to be forced to have some sort of download that when an owner wants to replace a broken or worn out 4C shock(s) with conventional shocks, it will allow the advanced engine management to work and the error message go away
 

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Exactly...kind of like the nivomats that nobody wanted to pay big bux to replace, except that this is worse. And, as I said above, I am confident that Koni FSD's tuned to the TME springs would perform better than OE shox w/ 4C disabled and TME springs.<p>Erik
 

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I'm sure they would, as decent as it feels, the stock shock disabled isn't tuned properly at all and a properly tuned shock would do wonders, but first... <br><B>SOMEONE</B> has to make them, <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> Koni, Bilstein, Penske, someone.
 

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Which was the point of the first post...<p>I realize there aren't very many R's, and many are not in the hand of enthusiasts, but there are cars with even lower numbers in the US that have some aftermarket shock support. Perhaps when the R's get a little older, IPD will have something.
 

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Here's what we really need:<p>3 replacement accelerometers that send a steady-state signal to the SUM. This will allow you to retain STATIC damping rates in Comfort, Sport, and Advanced, and will PREVENT the 4C system from adjusting the damping rates independantly based upon vehicle/road dynamics. <p>In other words, doing what I suggest will be like having 4C disconnected, yet still maintaining the different rates of Comfort, Sport, and Advanced.
 

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Yes, all very simple.<br>Now all you have to do is convince the Swedish engineers (who you all know do nothing wrong <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> ) to supply them and a new SUM program
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, all very simple.<br>Now all you have to do is convince the Swedish engineers (who you all know do nothing wrong <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> ) to supply them and a new SUM program</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ask George to post a well documented suggestion on SS's front page.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>(And have Ford take look at it..)
 
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