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I finally got around this weekend to do the full brake job I've been planning.<p>The 1st wheel we did was a rear one. Here, we wore our idiot caps (12 pack of <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> ) and took off the caliper bolts holding it together. Once the caliper came apart and started leaking brake fluid we figured it out. Put it back together and took out the two bolts holding the caliper in place. No problem from there forward. Caliper is good and no air got into the system.<p>E-brakes - WOW...I was amazed...after fighting with the stupid hook spring that holds each shoe in place I was able to remove the shoes and take a good look. Sure enough, all shoes suffered from massive corrosion and the shoe pads easily lifted right off the backing with a fingernail or flathead screwdriver!! I lifted a couple pads right off the backing quite easily until they broke off, which didn't take much. I'm happy I did the e-brake shoes and springs new! The e-brake lever now goes up ~60% of the way vs before and is much tighter. No adjustment was necessary <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>New OEM rotors and HPS pads completed the job. The old rotors were still in good shape, but had about 2mm of wear on them and the fronts were starting to show some grooves in the wear (87k miles). After reading numerous posts here in SS, I decided not to get them turned and just replace with new units. I'm glad I did since now I have nothing to worry about as far as warping them go. The HPS pads are very good. Good stopping power and they appear to have better stopping power/less fading when working the brakes vs OEM. They definately have much less dust! No brake squeal whatsoever thus far though it may return as the grease on the back of the pads wears off.<p>Our rotors are no joke...fully vented between front and rear face and on the rear face the vent goes out through the bottom. Though I don't get why someone hasn't angled the posts connecting each side of the rotor like a fan to push the air out, similar to some wheels like the SLR's. Either way, they're vented. They're also quite bulky and heavy! Should take some heat to warp these puppies.<p>Sorry, I didn't take any pics, didn't have my cammera on me <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Anyone with 4+ year old e-brakes get them replaced NOW! It's a time bomb ticking away...I'm planning on doing them every 3 years from now on...granted I live in New England, those down south can probably go longer with no salt on the roads in the winter...<p>New rotors also look great through the wheels. In fact, they now make the wheels look bad, as they are severely scratched <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: 4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs (S60R1)

sweet write-up. This is coming soon but I think my rotors have more life in them.<p>questions: <br>I thought you said you worked better with <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Rotors gotten from where and $?<p>Did you get extra brake quiet stuff or just used what came with the pads?<p>Use new shims?<p>
 

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Re: 4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs (S60R1)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>S60R1</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The HPS pads are very good. Good stopping power and they appear to have better stopping power/less fading when working the brakes vs OEM.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>My money is that you're actually feeling the improvement from fresh fluid, or at least a quick bleed. I've tracked with both OEM pads and Hawk HPS and the OEM ones did much better IMHO - the Hawk's friction level falls off FAST when MOT is exceeded, the OEM pads fall off much more gradually.<p>See the warning: <A HREF="http://www.zeckhausen.com/Volvo/S60R.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.zeckhausen.com/Volvo/S60R.htm</A><p> Hawk HPS high performance street pads have low dust, low noise, and low rotor wear. Slightly higher in friction level than Hawk Ceramic pads with a similar MOT of around 750°F. Not recommended for track use, as their friction level falls off rapidly when the MOT is exceeded.<p>Hawk HP PLUS high performance street pads have moderate dust, moderate rotor wear, very high initial bite and similar MOT to Hawk HPS of around 750°F. They tend to be noisy, sometimes squealing under light braking, although proper bedding can help. Ideal for autocross. Not recommended for track use, as their friction level falls off rapidly when MOT is exceeded, just like the Hawk HPS.<p>Personally, I run the Ferodo DS2500 pads whenever my summer tires are on, including on track of course. Way way better than the Hawks and OEM.
 

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Re: 4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs (xman03)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>xman03</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice, how much were new shoes?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't remember the exact amount since I got the shoes over a month ago, but IIRC all 4 shoes with all the springs you need are under $100 total (granted I got them at a discount from BVV).<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>T5 for Life</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought you said you worked better with <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I do, but it's very distracting when you have your dad's brother and two next door neighbors busting your chops while you do the work. And they drank my beer the whole time too!<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>T5 for Life</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rotors gotten from where and $?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Got'em off BVV for a good discount. I don't know if John is able to do any more at the price he gave me so I don't want to blow up his spot, but give him a call and see what he can do for you. Tell him Ivo sent you.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>T5 for Life</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did you get extra brake quiet stuff or just used what came with the pads?<p>Use new shims?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I just used what came with the pads. It was plenty.<p>IIRC the HPS pads have shims built into them. On the fronts, I used the OEM shims on top of the built in ones. I wasn't going to, but my dad convinced me to. I'm not sure if I had OEM shims on the rear, but if I did, I didn't save them when I did pads a couple of years ago, so nothing on top of the built in ones there.
 

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Re: 4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs (Warpedcow)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Warpedcow</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My money is that you're actually feeling the improvement from fresh fluid, or at least a quick bleed.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I doubt it since I didn't do either a fresh fluid or quick bleed. I am planning on having BVV do new fluid soon though. The improvement I'm feeling probably comes over the crap duralast front pads I put in a while ago along with a new even rotor/pad surface.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Warpedcow</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I've tracked with both OEM pads and Hawk HPS and the OEM ones did much better IMHO - the Hawk's friction level falls off FAST when MOT is exceeded, the OEM pads fall off much more gradually.<p>See the warning: <A HREF="http://www.zeckhausen.com/Volvo/S60R.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.zeckhausen.com/Volvo/S60R.htm</A><p>Hawk HPS high performance street pads have low dust, low noise, and low rotor wear. Slightly higher in friction level than Hawk Ceramic pads with a similar MOT of around 750°F. Not recommended for track use, as their friction level falls off rapidly when the MOT is exceeded.<p>Personally, I run the Ferodo DS2500 pads whenever my summer tires are on, including on track of course. Way way better than the Hawks and OEM.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm sure you're right, but I have no plans to track my R whatsoever. All I wanted was a decent street pad, soft on rotors with low dust and same or better bite vs OEM. So far the HPS fits the bill <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> If I tracked, I'd dump the OEM rotors for cross-drilled and slotted ones with a more agressive pad, similar to what I ran on my last car. That f*cker stopped on a dime!
 

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Re: 4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs (S60R1)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>S60R1</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...it's very distracting when you have your dad's brother and two next door neighbors busting your chops while you do the work. And they drank my beer the whole time too!</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Now, that's just <B>rude</B>! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Congrats on getting the work done; you're set for the forseeable future with the most important components on your ride.
 

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Nice write up Ivo. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> I don't know if I have the patience to do my brakes.
 

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Focus baxterson. you can do it. If it's just pads, it's cake on these cars. Just take the lesson from this thread....BEERS AFTER THE JOB IS DONE! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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OEM rotors for the rear +1<p>I had the Evolve's 2 pieces rotor at the rear for about 40k miles. They are great both on the street and on the track. One day, while at a friend's house with the e-brake on and in 1st gear, I walked inside his house and saw my car rolled backward down the driveway <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"><p>This is the rotor new<p><IMG SRC="http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd192/vr005/100_1309Medium.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>This is what it looks like what I took it off - the e-brake wears down the hat.<p><IMG SRC="http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd192/vr005/P1000278Small.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>I put the OEM rotors back and all is good.<p>The high performance OEM pad (the noisy one?) actually works better for day to day driving (better initial bite and more uniform) compares to the HPS street (need a little bit of temperature before it bites, be careful when the rotors are wet <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) I am using the HPS because it is less dusty than the OEM, will switch to the Porterfield R4-S in the future.<p>Billy<p><br>
 

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Re: 4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs (dradernh)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>dradernh</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Now, that's just <B>rude</B>! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Congrats on getting the work done; you're set for the forseeable future with the most important components on your ride.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>These are the great family and neighboorly love moments <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Plus I made them chip in and buy me a case of beer afterwards hehe<p>And yeah, I was definately worried about the exploding e-brake thing after some posts here on SS and I'm glad I did mine new! Looked like they woulda gone "boom" sometime this summer..<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>baxteR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice write up Ivo. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> I don't know if I have the patience to do my brakes. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Dude..do it, it's a great learning experience and it's fun to work on your car, especially when you are an enthusiast like the rest of us <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> plus there's the benefit of being able to see things once the wheels are off that you wouldn't normally be able to check, like sway bar, links, bushings, etc. good time for a visual inspection. The Brembos are cake to do, whether it's pads only or everything I did (except for the e-brake springs, those are a PITA).<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>05s60r</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The high performance OEM pad (the noisy one?) actually works better for day to day driving (better initial bite and more uniform) compares to the HPS street (need a little bit of temperature before it bites, be careful when the rotors are wet <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) I am using the HPS because it is less dusty than the OEM, will switch to the Porterfield R4-S in the future.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Really? Mine seems to bite pretty good, about as good as the old ones. But like I said, I had duralast in the fronts, not OEM (had OEM in the rear though), so between that and new rotors I think is why I don't really see a difference. In the rain, you have to dry the brakes every so often no matter what you have, they just get wet, period.<p>Even if the OEM bites a bit harder, fack it - I'm dust free baby wohoo - 3 days after washing the car and still no dust on the wheels!! Can't beat that..and the HPS aren't that bad, they stop good IMO, especially when they are warm.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> on the evolve rotors!<BR><BR>
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baxteRdude, I could come up and give you a hand. You got that lift man, it would make it a piece of cake. I'm doing mine next weekend, if the weather holds. Gonna pay John at BVV a visit for some goodies soon.
 

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Do you want to use our lift?
 

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I'll let you know. I may have limited time over the next few weekends, and could possibly have to leave the car on jackstands in the garage if I can't get the brakes done all in one sitting. I'm going to do the end links and possibly spring seats too. Could be a "work in progress" for a few days and I'd be stuck with my wife's Accord.<p>But as always, thanks for the offer. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: 4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs (T5 for Life)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>T5 for Life</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...and could possibly have to leave the car on jackstands in the garage if I can't get the brakes done all in one sitting...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If you rush, you can do all 4 pads in one hour or everything I did in 2-3 hours.
 

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I figured it would take that kind of time, but I wanted to do the suspension parts while I had her in the air as well. I don't mind leaving it for a few days. I can work on it in the evenings to wrap it up.
 
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