Re: 4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs (S60R1)
Nice, how much were new shoes?
Nice, how much were new shoes?
4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs
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I finally got around this weekend to do the full brake job I've been planning.
The 1st wheel we did was a rear one. Here, we wore our idiot caps (12 pack of
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) and took off the caliper bolts holding it together. Once the caliper came apart and started leaking brake fluid we figured it out. Put it back together and took out the two bolts holding the caliper in place. No problem from there forward. Caliper is good and no air got into the system.
E-brakes - WOW...I was amazed...after fighting with the stupid hook spring that holds each shoe in place I was able to remove the shoes and take a good look. Sure enough, all shoes suffered from massive corrosion and the shoe pads easily lifted right off the backing with a fingernail or flathead screwdriver!! I lifted a couple pads right off the backing quite easily until they broke off, which didn't take much. I'm happy I did the e-brake shoes and springs new! The e-brake lever now goes up ~60% of the way vs before and is much tighter. No adjustment was necessary http://********************/smile/emthup.gif
New OEM rotors and HPS pads completed the job. The old rotors were still in good shape, but had about 2mm of wear on them and the fronts were starting to show some grooves in the wear (87k miles). After reading numerous posts here in SS, I decided not to get them turned and just replace with new units. I'm glad I did since now I have nothing to worry about as far as warping them go. The HPS pads are very good. Good stopping power and they appear to have better stopping power/less fading when working the brakes vs OEM. They definately have much less dust! No brake squeal whatsoever thus far though it may return as the grease on the back of the pads wears off.
Our rotors are no joke...fully vented between front and rear face and on the rear face the vent goes out through the bottom. Though I don't get why someone hasn't angled the posts connecting each side of the rotor like a fan to push the air out, similar to some wheels like the SLR's. Either way, they're vented. They're also quite bulky and heavy! Should take some heat to warp these puppies.
Sorry, I didn't take any pics, didn't have my cammera on me
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Anyone with 4+ year old e-brakes get them replaced NOW! It's a time bomb ticking away...I'm planning on doing them every 3 years from now on...granted I live in New England, those down south can probably go longer with no salt on the roads in the winter...
New rotors also look great through the wheels. In fact, they now make the wheels look bad, as they are severely scratched
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The 1st wheel we did was a rear one. Here, we wore our idiot caps (12 pack of
E-brakes - WOW...I was amazed...after fighting with the stupid hook spring that holds each shoe in place I was able to remove the shoes and take a good look. Sure enough, all shoes suffered from massive corrosion and the shoe pads easily lifted right off the backing with a fingernail or flathead screwdriver!! I lifted a couple pads right off the backing quite easily until they broke off, which didn't take much. I'm happy I did the e-brake shoes and springs new! The e-brake lever now goes up ~60% of the way vs before and is much tighter. No adjustment was necessary http://********************/smile/emthup.gif
New OEM rotors and HPS pads completed the job. The old rotors were still in good shape, but had about 2mm of wear on them and the fronts were starting to show some grooves in the wear (87k miles). After reading numerous posts here in SS, I decided not to get them turned and just replace with new units. I'm glad I did since now I have nothing to worry about as far as warping them go. The HPS pads are very good. Good stopping power and they appear to have better stopping power/less fading when working the brakes vs OEM. They definately have much less dust! No brake squeal whatsoever thus far though it may return as the grease on the back of the pads wears off.
Our rotors are no joke...fully vented between front and rear face and on the rear face the vent goes out through the bottom. Though I don't get why someone hasn't angled the posts connecting each side of the rotor like a fan to push the air out, similar to some wheels like the SLR's. Either way, they're vented. They're also quite bulky and heavy! Should take some heat to warp these puppies.
Sorry, I didn't take any pics, didn't have my cammera on me
Anyone with 4+ year old e-brakes get them replaced NOW! It's a time bomb ticking away...I'm planning on doing them every 3 years from now on...granted I live in New England, those down south can probably go longer with no salt on the roads in the winter...
New rotors also look great through the wheels. In fact, they now make the wheels look bad, as they are severely scratched
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Re: 4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs (S60R1)
sweet write-up. This is coming soon but I think my rotors have more life in them.
questions:
I thought you said you worked better with
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Rotors gotten from where and $?
Did you get extra brake quiet stuff or just used what came with the pads?
Use new shims?
sweet write-up. This is coming soon but I think my rotors have more life in them.
questions:
I thought you said you worked better with
Rotors gotten from where and $?
Did you get extra brake quiet stuff or just used what came with the pads?
Use new shims?
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Re: 4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs (xman03)
I don't remember the exact amount since I got the shoes over a month ago, but IIRC all 4 shoes with all the springs you need are under $100 total (granted I got them at a discount from BVV).
I do, but it's very distracting when you have your dad's brother and two next door neighbors busting your chops while you do the work. And they drank my beer the whole time too!
Got'em off BVV for a good discount. I don't know if John is able to do any more at the price he gave me so I don't want to blow up his spot, but give him a call and see what he can do for you. Tell him Ivo sent you.
I just used what came with the pads. It was plenty.
IIRC the HPS pads have shims built into them. On the fronts, I used the OEM shims on top of the built in ones. I wasn't going to, but my dad convinced me to. I'm not sure if I had OEM shims on the rear, but if I did, I didn't save them when I did pads a couple of years ago, so nothing on top of the built in ones there.
| Quote, originally posted by xman03 » |
| Nice, how much were new shoes? |
I don't remember the exact amount since I got the shoes over a month ago, but IIRC all 4 shoes with all the springs you need are under $100 total (granted I got them at a discount from BVV).
| Quote, originally posted by T5 for Life » |
| I thought you said you worked better with
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I do, but it's very distracting when you have your dad's brother and two next door neighbors busting your chops while you do the work. And they drank my beer the whole time too!
| Quote, originally posted by T5 for Life » |
| Rotors gotten from where and $? |
Got'em off BVV for a good discount. I don't know if John is able to do any more at the price he gave me so I don't want to blow up his spot, but give him a call and see what he can do for you. Tell him Ivo sent you.
| Quote, originally posted by T5 for Life » |
| Did you get extra brake quiet stuff or just used what came with the pads? Use new shims? |
I just used what came with the pads. It was plenty.
IIRC the HPS pads have shims built into them. On the fronts, I used the OEM shims on top of the built in ones. I wasn't going to, but my dad convinced me to. I'm not sure if I had OEM shims on the rear, but if I did, I didn't save them when I did pads a couple of years ago, so nothing on top of the built in ones there.
Re: 4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs (Warpedcow)
I doubt it since I didn't do either a fresh fluid or quick bleed. I am planning on having BVV do new fluid soon though. The improvement I'm feeling probably comes over the crap duralast front pads I put in a while ago along with a new even rotor/pad surface.
I'm sure you're right, but I have no plans to track my R whatsoever. All I wanted was a decent street pad, soft on rotors with low dust and same or better bite vs OEM. So far the HPS fits the bill http://********************/smile/emthup.gif If I tracked, I'd dump the OEM rotors for cross-drilled and slotted ones with a more agressive pad, similar to what I ran on my last car. That f*cker stopped on a dime!
| Quote, originally posted by Warpedcow » |
| My money is that you're actually feeling the improvement from fresh fluid, or at least a quick bleed. |
I doubt it since I didn't do either a fresh fluid or quick bleed. I am planning on having BVV do new fluid soon though. The improvement I'm feeling probably comes over the crap duralast front pads I put in a while ago along with a new even rotor/pad surface.
| Quote, originally posted by Warpedcow » |
| I've tracked with both OEM pads and Hawk HPS and the OEM ones did much better IMHO - the Hawk's friction level falls off FAST when MOT is exceeded, the OEM pads fall off much more gradually. See the warning: http://www.zeckhausen.com/Volvo/S60R.htm Hawk HPS high performance street pads have low dust, low noise, and low rotor wear. Slightly higher in friction level than Hawk Ceramic pads with a similar MOT of around 750°F. Not recommended for track use, as their friction level falls off rapidly when the MOT is exceeded. Personally, I run the Ferodo DS2500 pads whenever my summer tires are on, including on track of course. Way way better than the Hawks and OEM. |
I'm sure you're right, but I have no plans to track my R whatsoever. All I wanted was a decent street pad, soft on rotors with low dust and same or better bite vs OEM. So far the HPS fits the bill http://********************/smile/emthup.gif If I tracked, I'd dump the OEM rotors for cross-drilled and slotted ones with a more agressive pad, similar to what I ran on my last car. That f*cker stopped on a dime!
Re: 4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs (S60R1)
Now, that's just rude!
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Congrats on getting the work done; you're set for the forseeable future with the most important components on your ride.
| Quote, originally posted by S60R1 » |
| ...it's very distracting when you have your dad's brother and two next door neighbors busting your chops while you do the work. And they drank my beer the whole time too! |
Congrats on getting the work done; you're set for the forseeable future with the most important components on your ride.
Re: 4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs (S60R1)
Nice write up Ivo. http://********************/smile/emthup.gif I don't know if I have the patience to do my brakes.
Nice write up Ivo. http://********************/smile/emthup.gif I don't know if I have the patience to do my brakes.
Re: 4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs (baxteR)
Focus baxterson. you can do it. If it's just pads, it's cake on these cars. Just take the lesson from this thread....BEERS AFTER THE JOB IS DONE!
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Focus baxterson. you can do it. If it's just pads, it's cake on these cars. Just take the lesson from this thread....BEERS AFTER THE JOB IS DONE!
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Re: 4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs (S60R1)
OEM rotors for the rear +1
I had the Evolve's 2 pieces rotor at the rear for about 40k miles. They are great both on the street and on the track. One day, while at a friend's house with the e-brake on and in 1st gear, I walked inside his house and saw my car rolled backward down the driveway
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This is the rotor new
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This is what it looks like what I took it off - the e-brake wears down the hat.
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I put the OEM rotors back and all is good.
The high performance OEM pad (the noisy one?) actually works better for day to day driving (better initial bite and more uniform) compares to the HPS street (need a little bit of temperature before it bites, be careful when the rotors are wet
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) I am using the HPS because it is less dusty than the OEM, will switch to the Porterfield R4-S in the future.
Billy
OEM rotors for the rear +1
I had the Evolve's 2 pieces rotor at the rear for about 40k miles. They are great both on the street and on the track. One day, while at a friend's house with the e-brake on and in 1st gear, I walked inside his house and saw my car rolled backward down the driveway
This is the rotor new
This is what it looks like what I took it off - the e-brake wears down the hat.
I put the OEM rotors back and all is good.
The high performance OEM pad (the noisy one?) actually works better for day to day driving (better initial bite and more uniform) compares to the HPS street (need a little bit of temperature before it bites, be careful when the rotors are wet
Billy
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Re: 4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs (dradernh)
These are the great family and neighboorly love moments
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Plus I made them chip in and buy me a case of beer afterwards hehe
And yeah, I was definately worried about the exploding e-brake thing after some posts here on SS and I'm glad I did mine new! Looked like they woulda gone "boom" sometime this summer..
Dude..do it, it's a great learning experience and it's fun to work on your car, especially when you are an enthusiast like the rest of us http://********************/smile/emthup.gif plus there's the benefit of being able to see things once the wheels are off that you wouldn't normally be able to check, like sway bar, links, bushings, etc. good time for a visual inspection. The Brembos are cake to do, whether it's pads only or everything I did (except for the e-brake springs, those are a PITA).
Really? Mine seems to bite pretty good, about as good as the old ones. But like I said, I had duralast in the fronts, not OEM (had OEM in the rear though), so between that and new rotors I think is why I don't really see a difference. In the rain, you have to dry the brakes every so often no matter what you have, they just get wet, period.
Even if the OEM bites a bit harder, fack it - I'm dust free baby wohoo - 3 days after washing the car and still no dust on the wheels!! Can't beat that..and the HPS aren't that bad, they stop good IMO, especially when they are warm.
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on the evolve rotors!
Modified by S60R1 at 1:55 PM 4-2-2009
| Quote, originally posted by dradernh » |
Now, that's just rude!
Congrats on getting the work done; you're set for the forseeable future with the most important components on your ride. |
These are the great family and neighboorly love moments
Plus I made them chip in and buy me a case of beer afterwards hehe
And yeah, I was definately worried about the exploding e-brake thing after some posts here on SS and I'm glad I did mine new! Looked like they woulda gone "boom" sometime this summer..
| Quote, originally posted by baxteR » |
| Nice write up Ivo. http://********************/smile/emthup.gif I don't know if I have the patience to do my brakes. |
Dude..do it, it's a great learning experience and it's fun to work on your car, especially when you are an enthusiast like the rest of us http://********************/smile/emthup.gif plus there's the benefit of being able to see things once the wheels are off that you wouldn't normally be able to check, like sway bar, links, bushings, etc. good time for a visual inspection. The Brembos are cake to do, whether it's pads only or everything I did (except for the e-brake springs, those are a PITA).
| Quote, originally posted by 05s60r » |
| The high performance OEM pad (the noisy one?) actually works better for day to day driving (better initial bite and more uniform) compares to the HPS street (need a little bit of temperature before it bites, be careful when the rotors are wet
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Really? Mine seems to bite pretty good, about as good as the old ones. But like I said, I had duralast in the fronts, not OEM (had OEM in the rear though), so between that and new rotors I think is why I don't really see a difference. In the rain, you have to dry the brakes every so often no matter what you have, they just get wet, period.
Even if the OEM bites a bit harder, fack it - I'm dust free baby wohoo - 3 days after washing the car and still no dust on the wheels!! Can't beat that..and the HPS aren't that bad, they stop good IMO, especially when they are warm.
Modified by S60R1 at 1:55 PM 4-2-2009
Re: 4 new rotors + 4 new pads + new e-brake shoes/springs (baxteR)
I'll let you know. I may have limited time over the next few weekends, and could possibly have to leave the car on jackstands in the garage if I can't get the brakes done all in one sitting. I'm going to do the end links and possibly spring seats too. Could be a "work in progress" for a few days and I'd be stuck with my wife's Accord.
But as always, thanks for the offer.
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I'll let you know. I may have limited time over the next few weekends, and could possibly have to leave the car on jackstands in the garage if I can't get the brakes done all in one sitting. I'm going to do the end links and possibly spring seats too. Could be a "work in progress" for a few days and I'd be stuck with my wife's Accord.
But as always, thanks for the offer.
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