245 w/ Front End of 165

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Evolvo

Discussion Starter · Dec 6, 2001

Alright, I just got my most recent issue of Rolling (VCOA Newsletter) and saw the results from VCOA's Red Rock meet on the west coast. There's a picture of a guy with a late model 245 ('86 or newer) who put the front clip from a 165 on it. The pic is really small, black and white pic and the car is bright white so you can't see much, but I am VERY intrigued to see what it looks like.

Anyone ever see pics of this car on the web?

That'd be a tough conversion I think because, first finding the parts, and second that piece of sheetmetal between the hood and the windshield is completely different, and not bolt on like the rest of those body parts.

Also, it looks like he left the rear of the car as is. I wonder how hard it'd be to convert the thing to the older (smaller) 240 taillights?

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[email protected]

· #2 · Dec 6, 2001

I suppose you could make it fit without too much effort. I don't think Volvo changed the dimensions of the car all that much.

That would be an interesting vehicle, especially if you retrofitted a V8 into it. The 160's round front end is almost jaguar looking and certainly much less conservative than the regular 240 front end design. Post pics here if you find any. I'd be interested in seeing pics of that car as well. Now that'd be an interesting mod for our 245.

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745TRBOBRK

· #3 · Dec 7, 2001

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Originally posted by [email protected]:
I suppose you could make it fit without too much effort. I don't think Volvo changed the dimensions of the car all that much.
I'd be interested in seeing pics of that car as well. Now that'd be an interesting mod for our 245.

The coolest looking 245 I've seen had the 83' limited edition flathood on it. Maybe you could get the flat hood donor car from your friends dad and put it on the 245.

I couldn't find the link to the picture of when it still had 4 rectangles but here it is with euro lights

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towerymt

· #4 · Dec 7, 2001

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Originally posted by Evolvo:
There's a picture of a guy with a late model 245 ('86 or newer) who put the front clip from a 165 on it.

Actually, it's a 164 front end. There never was a 160 series wagon, hence the reason for the conversion.

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Anyone ever see pics of this car on the web?

Yep, seen several 160 hybrid cars (163 & 165). I can't seem to find the site that I thought I bookmarked. It documents the entire conversion using an older 245 and a 164. It was from either New Zealand or Austrailia, and I know the car was white. I'll see if I can find it again.

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That'd be a tough conversion I think because, first finding the parts, and second that piece of sheetmetal between the hood and the windshield is completely different, and not bolt on like the rest of those body parts.

The cowl panel in front of the windshield isn't really a problem since the front end of a 164 is being cut and welded to the back end of a 245. I don't believe the parts could even be easily bolted on because the 164 had a longer front end that housed the inline 6-cylinder B30, and the 160 has a longer wheel base. It's definitely a project that requires welding skills.

Here's a picture of a 163:

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Evolvo

Discussion Starter · #5 · Dec 7, 2001

What's the story with the 3-door above? That's pretty cool.

I was surfing the UK 164 Club Site and came up with these also. Are you sure they didn't build a 165?

That last one is definitely a newer 240 (note the taillights) converted with the front end. Pretty cool looking. You can find more pics of 164s here...

http://www.164club.org/list/misc164.html

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[email protected]

· #6 · Dec 7, 2001

That second red one looks pretty authentic. As to the black one, that's probably what the one in Rolling looks like. That'd be kind of a cool conversion, but like he said above, not all that easy.

I like the look though. It's totally different from what you might be used to.

So where are the wheelbase differences? If it is mainly fore the doors, that would be a tough one.

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towerymt

· #7 · Dec 7, 2001

164 only, 4 door sedan from '69-'75. Any 162, 163, or 165 is custom built. I don't know anything about the 163. That first red 165 was built with the back end of a 245 hearse. The second red 165 looks like it used a mid 70's 245, judging from the very basic chrome trim on the side windows. The light silver one actually used an older 164 nose ('69-'72), while I think the rest used '73-'75 front ends. The black one definitely looks like a late model 245, but the rear bumper is quite old (very early 80's). It was probably just used to better match the 164 front bumper. The mirrors are also the newer style ('86-on in the US, but '82-on in Europe).

I'm pretty sure that the 164 just had an extended front clip, so from the windshield forward is probably the only part of the car that was lengthened to more easily fit the B30. Here's an interesting picture that might show the difference in length. It's a prototype 262C Bertone. The top one has the 164 front, the middle one has a E-spec front, and the bottom one is NA-spec. If you open the picture twice where you can quickly toggle back and forth, line up the middle one with the top one and go back and forth. Notice how the length between the front mudflap and the a-pillar door seam changes. The 164 front is a few inches longer, and the hood looks a bit higher and I think it sticks out over the bumper more.

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Kai

· #8 · Dec 8, 2001

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Originally posted by towerymt:
164 only, 4 door sedan from '69-'75. Any 162, 163, or 165 is custom built.

Okay now...that's some more quality post count.

I really think the round headlights ones are even more sexy~!! Did they ever come in sedan form?

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towerymt

· #9 · Dec 8, 2001

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Originally posted by The_one_n_only:
I really think the round headlights ones are even more sexy~!! Did they ever come in sedan form?

Did what ever come in sedan form? The 164? It was only a sedan (4 door). The pic I posted of the Bertone with the round headlights was never produced. Here is a slightly modified 164:

As you can see, the roof line, windows, doors, etc. look very similar to the 140/240. I would say that the 940 is to the 960 what the 140 is to the 160. It was the luxury model.

And all of my posts are quality!

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Kai

· #10 · Dec 8, 2001

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Originally posted by towerymt:
Did what ever come in sedan form? The 164? It was only a sedan (4 door). The pic I posted of the Bertone with the round headlights was never produced.

No...you only posted the wagon and the coupe.

All the posts? hmmm........

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