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I have noticed that in driving my 240, I run into a lot of people who mention how much they loved the 240 they owned, or how they had heard about how durable a 240 is, or they just call it "the tank." I tell people I drive a 240, and they do nothing but compliment the car. <br>Yet, when I talk to people about Volvos in general, I keep running into people who mention how they do not like their newer Volvo. I have had a man talk to me one nd about the problems hes had with his XC70, two friends of my fiance who own new S40s, one who has already traded her car for another, and the other who is looking to get rid of it for a different car, complain about how complicating and unreliable they are. <br>I was wondering if anyone else has noticed this. Has Volvo gone that far downhill, in that the 240 is legendary, even amongst non-Volvo people, and new Volvos are looked down upon?
 

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Re: 240 Reputation vs Newer Volvos (MenardVolvo)

This is like asking me if I prefer a paper map or a nav system on my cell.<p>I can get lost with either.<p>Any car can be a joy and any car can be a POS - the same car each to any one person.<p>A perfect late-model 240 is absolutely the car for the masses - safe, durable, economical, de-smogged and reliable if not a bit noisy and under-powered.<p>A ragged-out 240 will suck your purse dry.<p>A brand new C70 could have a glitch causing the folding hardtop to lodge at midfield - curses!<p>A perfectly maintained 2006 V50 could find itself in the shop way too many times for this and that while another owner has no problems at all with a different 2006 V50.<p>Most consumers expect a $30,000+ new car to be trouble-free.<p>Most 240 owners would never complain - just fix and move on.<p>I bought an '86 245 from a doctor's wife in 1989 and put 245K+ with nary a major problem. The glove box had some fuses and a spare fuel pump relay. The car is still flying around Houston, Texas - somewhere.<p>In about 20 years a perfectly maintained 2004 V70 will be a joy to own and drive while a ragged-out S60R would suck your purse dry.<p>George Dill<p>
 

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Re: 240 Reputation vs Newer Volvos (gdill2)

Nice post George.<p>I always compare the 240 to the VW bug. Simple, reliable, durable, popular, with just the right amount of quirks to make it lovable; then discontinued! Why? To move on...Now, the "new and improved" bug is back on the market...mark my words the 240 will make a comeback in 2023 or so. Still, it will NEVER be the same. I plan to hold on to mine until rust or a wreck do us apart.<p>I mean, how can you not simply <I>love</I> a car like this? It takes all the abuse but keeps on serving. I doubt the newer models will be as forgiving.<p><A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Volvo-240-wagon-drive-it-or-scrap-it-for-parts-NR_W0QQitemZ250021664385QQihZ015QQcategoryZ31877QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" TARGET="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...wItem</A><p>The new ones are nice, love the Cross Country, but I feel strangely detached in them...too generic or smooth, I guess.
 

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Re: 240 Reputation vs Newer Volvos (MenardVolvo)

I could probably have phrased my ideas better. I guess my main point was that the B23 engines can take pretty much anything you throw at it (not sure how many of you saw the "volvo abuse" video, where w/ out a valve cover, a 240 engine still ran) and it seems like the reliability of the engines has gone downhill. I took my '92 245 in for a check-up at 225K and not a single thing was wrong, while some newer Volvos can not make that claim at 125K. Though that is probably due to the fact there is a lot less gizmos and electronics in a 240 as compared to a V70, less stuff to go wrong.
 

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I don't know much about the specifics of the different engines, but aren't the newer Volvos all 5,6,8 cylinder turbos? They all seem very zippy to me. Aren't 6 cylinder and/or turbo engines less durable than the 4-cylinder one (e.g. turbo engines run hotter, are more stressed?)? Just a guess based on what I have heard/seen through the years. <p>And an unrelated theory why people might like the older Volvos better: maybe they simply remember (possibly subconsciously) how it carried their first-born child...or now deceased dog...or all the great trips they took in it and how simpler life seemed then...you know, the good old days kind of thing.
 

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In holland they are some people how sell there V70 for a 240. It's almost commen!<p>In Holland the 240 is very hot. And they ask high prices for them.<p>I think that the 240 is the most populair car from the volvo line.
 

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Volvorider, so you're from Holland? I'm originally from Germany...practically neighbors. I don't think there are many 240s left in Germany - my mom got all excited last week because she spoted a Volvo just like mine <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Looked at your site, nice! Just need to practice my Dutch.
 

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volvorider;<p>Are you in here?...<p><A HREF="http://www.texasvolvoclub.com/photoalbumdutch.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.texasvolvoclub.com/photoalbumdutch.htm</A><p>George Dill<p>Temple, Texas, USA.
 

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Re: 240 Reputation vs Newer Volvos (MenardVolvo)

I has a feeling that the perceived reliability of the newer engines being worse than the redblocks is due in part to two causes.<p>The first is that the newer engines are not as reliable<p>The second is perhaps what tips the scales though, people who owned a redblock car assume they can treat their new engine like their old one. By that I mean neglecting regular maintenance, etc. From all I know the newer engines are somewhat sensitive to the state of their oil. If you go 45k on 3 oil changes at jiffy lube in a new car you are likely to do more damage than the same in an older engine.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MenardVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I could probably have phrased my ideas better. I guess my main point was that the B23 engines can take pretty much anything you throw at it (not sure how many of you saw the "volvo abuse" video, where w/ out a valve cover, a 240 engine still ran) and it seems like the reliability of the engines has gone downhill. I took my '92 245 in for a check-up at 225K and not a single thing was wrong, while some newer Volvos can not make that claim at 125K. Though that is probably due to the fact there is a lot less gizmos and electronics in a 240 as compared to a V70, less stuff to go wrong.</TD></TR></TABLE>
 

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No, I'am not. Thats the V44-club from holland. Volvo's up to the 100 serie are allowed for a membership.<p>The 200 series has its own club in holland.
 

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Yes, pratical neigbors! That true about the 240 in Germany. My classic 240 is also imported from Germany. Its has ben driving arround in Zweibrucken and Magdeburg.<p>Thanks for the compliment! But not all the articals are in dutch!!
 

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In terms of what the bottom ends of any of the newer or old engines can handle, I'd say they are all about on par. Most capable of dealing with 350 hp before going south. This of course is a region of performance most owners never explore. <p>As for Redblocks, the strongest were easily the B23's and the '94 on B230's with 13mm rods and oil squiters. <p>Concerning the new engines, the negative I've heared from a service manager is that they are sensitive to sludge buildup. In other words, the lazy maintenance schedule one may have gotten away with in an older Volvo won't fly with the new ones.
 

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Re: 240 Reputation vs Newer Volvos (MenardVolvo)

Here in Sprinfield, MO, people with their 850s and V70s always tell me that they love my 240 over their newer wagons. The thing I like about the newer wagons is the 5cyl motor.<p>To me, my B21F motor is so underpowered for my car; and yet the 240 is so lightweight.
 

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Raymond;<p>With simple cheap mods your 245 performance would improve.<p>George Dill<p>
 

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Is your Volvo a manual or auto? If it is a manual, may I suggest a Momo shift knob. The mod has made driving my sister's '92 240 so much more enjoyable. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: 240 Reputation vs Newer Volvos (gdill2)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>gdill2</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>In about 20 years a perfectly maintained 2004 V70 will be a joy to own and drive <p><br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>I seriously doubt that unless it was driven maybe 2000 miles a year
 

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I'm not going to hold any punches.<br>My 240 is slow, underpowered, and weak. Not as bad as some cars I've driven, but only 116hp makes it pretty bad.<br>Plus, it feels like you're driving a block of wood on ice. No feedback at all. The suspension doesn't inspire much confidence, although, if you go over a bump, it sure is rough and you sure feel it! The brakes give no feedback, it's like burying your foot into mashed potato - Not just spongy. That bad.<br>Having said all that, I just got it for $1000, and it's in GREAT shape. So I have some mod money to play around with and see what I can improve.<p>Having said all this the 240 outlasted the car intended to replace it, the 740. And in almost two decades of building it, yeah, they had most of the car's issues ironed out. Therefore, my 89' is a solid well built car that they had pretty much figured out.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vancouver83ltd</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not going to hold any punches.<br>My 240 is slow, underpowered, and weak. Not as bad as some cars I've driven, but only 116hp makes it pretty bad.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, it's 114 bhp.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vancouver83ltd</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Plus, it feels like you're driving a block of wood on ice. No feedback at all. The suspension doesn't inspire much confidence, although, if you go over a bump, it sure is rough and you sure feel it! The brakes give no feedback, it's like burying your foot into mashed potato - Not just spongy. That bad.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The car probably needs bushings, tie-rod ends and shocks. The 240 suspension, when in proper working order, gives far more feedback and road feel than any newer Volvo on the road (one should not confuse feedback with the tram-lining that the newer Volvos exhibit). Granted, the rear end can step-out a bit when coverning over rough roads -- quite dramatically if the rear bushings and shocks are shot.<p>As for the brakes, has the car's brake hoses been replaced? The high quality Volvo hoses reliably perform for about 10 years. The get spongy after that. Lower quality hoses perform much worse and don't last nearly as long. SS braided hoses last about 10 years while delivering outstanding brake feel.<p>I would take a well-maintained 240, 740 or 940 over any of the newer cars. They're better built, less prone to failure, and more rugged. This comes at the price of speed and comfort -- which one automatically lacks when the newer cars have a fault that requires service. An all too frequent occurence, judging by the many posts in the various forums on SS.
 
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