[jubilantjesse]

Who else here feels personally attacked by this feature? A feather or spec of dust will float by while reversing and I’m met with the pleasant effect of locking wheels and my head slamming into my headrest as I try and figure out what on earth I just backed into. Oh wait, nothing. Just my driveway. This phantom rear-emergency-auto-braking makes me wish I knew where the fuse was. And to think back in the AAOS 1.xx days it was way more sensitive!

Don’t get me wrong I love my XC60, but does this happen on the weekly for other owners?

 

[donwb]

Not sure if it helps, but I have a 22 inscription and don’t have any issues at all with my rear autobrake. Works when it should and stays quite the rest of the time


2022 XC60 B6 Inscription / AWD / Silver Metallic / 20” Wheels / Polestar

Past: '18 XC60 T5 / ’16 T5 XC60 / ’15.5 T5 S60

 

[VolvoFaRmeR]

Sounds like cross path detection activated. If a car was traveling at a high rate of speed and whipped into a parking spot a few slots down you wouldn't have ever known there was a car around to hit...but cross path detection would have functioned.

Three times I've been a passenger and had someone else driving and auto path braking occured, and the driver freaked out. They couldn't understand what had happened, until I pointed out the traffic situation that caused it. They were oblivious that traffic was even there. Jut goes to show....a lot of people are convinced there was "nothing to hit". In reality, there was....they just didn't see it. Does that account for every occurrence? No. But i'm pretty confident it explains a lot of the "phantom braking" claims.

I have 3 SPA S60s a commutative mileage of over 100,000. I have not once had an "auto brake" incident that wasn't warranted. Not once.

 

[XC40Millenial]

I agree that it can be an annoying “feature”. I wish it could be permanently turned off. When I’m parallel parking in NYC and I have to get fairly close to a car to squeeze into a spot, I always have to remember to disable the auto brake

 

[VolvoSafety]

I had this happen a lot and it turned out I had a bad sodder connection between one of the parking sensors. Since then I've had a lot less false positives, but they haven't gone away (slower backing speeds also help when coming up to a curb or obstacle).

 

[jm188]

it sometimes triggers when the sensors see my steep driveway as an obstacle.
you can just disable it on the backup-camera screen but you have to do it every drive.

 

[Demo24]

It happens occasionally backing out of my garage. I've found that backing up a bit slower resolves it for me. Surprising when it happens, but I'm not surprised it's triggered in there when going more quickly and the system is still waking up.

 

[Pioneer4x4]

I've had that happen occasionally backing into my garage with various vehicles. There is a angled ramp from the alley up to the garage, so it can vary based on direction or side I back into. It scares me (feels like an actual collision), and I hate it, BUT I will NEVER turn it off. I can't bear to think that if I didn't leave it on, and some other day backing out of a space at a store or something, some little kid/pet/whatever ran behind me...
Stuff like this should have a simple "defeat" button, that resets next start up.

 

[jm188]

Stuff like this should have a simple "defeat" button, that resets next start up.

it does on AAOS vehicles, just tap the screen when the backup camera is on

 

[Walkabout]

Fwiw, I've never had a false on my xc60, with any 13000 miles on the odo. Frequent false suggest a problem to me.

 

[cowfootball]

It happens all the time on my '21. It's ridiculously sensitive. I don't know about AAOS but on Sensus you could turn it off by tapping the CTA button in the 360 camera display. It resets on every engine start which is super annoying.

I used to live on a busy road and I would reverse out of my driveway until the rear of the car was lined up with the sides of the cars parked on the street so that when there was a gap I was ready to back into it. The Cross Traffic Alert would constantly tell me that I was reversing into traffic -- which I was, deliberately -- and throw on the rear intervention, causing me to miss gaps and scare the **** out of my passengers. I almost sold the damn car. But then we moved somewhere rural and now it never bothers me.

I don't know why these threads are inevitably filled with "doesn't happen to me lol" which are inherently unhelpful. If it doesn't happen to you it's because you live in suburbia and you've only ever reversed onto an empty street or in an empty carpark.

 

[VolvoFaRmeR]

I don't know why these threads are inevitably filled with "doesn't happen to me lol" which are inherently unhelpful. If it doesn't happen to you it's because you live in suburbia and you've only ever reversed onto an empty street or in an empty carpark.

I live and frequently drive in 2 of the largest cities in 2 Midwestern states. With 3 cars and over 100,000 miles it has never happened to me. So no.....I don't live in suburbia or on an empty street or only negotiate empty car parks.

The issue is you are inherently, honest to god "backing into traffic" and then the system prevents it. That's how it's designed. It has limitations. You can turn it off if you like. But it is TOTALLY unreasonable to think that some how the car could distinguish between when its OK to back into oncoming traffic (because you want to) and when it's supposed to save you from a collision because you are not paying attention. If it wasn't "sensitive" it wouldn't be able to keep you from an accident.

People seem so unrealistic about the capabilities of technology with unrealistic expectations. The tech does 100 things right and 2 things wrong, so the mentality is it's "terrible" or "stupid" or "worthless". You know, there is a different way to think about that kind of technology.

 

[cowfootball]

So no.....I don't live in suburbia or on an empty street or only negotiate empty car parks.

[...]

The issue is you are inherently, honest to god "backing into traffic" and then the system prevents it. That's how it's designed. It has limitations.

Hint: these two points are related.

Yes, it is obviously intentional. I never said it wasn't. I am simply saying that if you live in a city then you are much more likely to encounter the "backing into traffic legitimately" scenario regularly and you wouldn't be surprised that this happens often let alone be posting "not once ever has CTA triggered when I didn't want it to".

The real shortcoming here, IMO, is that you cannot turn it off and leave it off. I'm functionally doing that anyway it's just that every single time I turn on the car to leave the driveway I have to do it manually and then it stays off the rest of the time. In my case, in my driving style and scenario, leaving it off would improve safety for me. It's a shortcoming that I have to deal with having my brakes slammed on and then forced into and out of park while a foot of my car is in the lane of traffic just because I happen to forgot to tap the button.

But it is TOTALLY unreasonable to think that some how the car could distinguish between when its OK to back into oncoming traffic (because you want to) and when it's supposed to save you from a collision because you are not paying attention. If it wasn't "sensitive" it wouldn't be able to keep you from an accident.

People seem so unrealistic about the capabilities of technology with unrealistic expectations. The tech does 100 things right and 2 things wrong, so the mentality is it's "terrible" or "stupid" or "worthless". You know, there is a different way to think about that kind of technology.

I never said this and I never had this expectation so you can argue with yourself all you like. I'm a director of software engineering at a self driving car company. I promise you I understand technology and it's limitations. The irony here is that because I acknowledge technology has limitations I think it's dumb when people jump in to every thread to tell me their experience with the technology has been perfect. That's great but it won't always be and telling someone else that your experience was perfect isn't helpful.

As an aside, it isn't unrealistic to think that CTA could be better for this scenario. Car software engineering is ****ing awful in basically every way and leagues away from what we would consider to be modern software engineering. It's totally reasonable that I expect there to be an option that says "don't turn on CTA until I am out of the location you to know to be my home" or "don't turn on CTA if it is obvious that I am reversing into traffic". All of these things are perfectly capable.

I'm not advocating that they do it but telling me it's impossible shows who the luddite in this conversation really is.

 

[VolvoFaRmeR]

Hint: these two points are related.

Yes, it is obviously intentional. I never said it wasn't. I am simply saying that if you live in a city then you are much more likely to encounter the "backing into traffic legitimately" scenario regularly and you wouldn't be surprised that this happens often let alone be posting "not once ever has CTA triggered when I didn't want it to".

The real shortcoming here, IMO, is that you cannot turn it off and leave it off. I'm functionally doing that anyway it's just that every single time I turn on the car to leave the driveway I have to do it manually and then it stays off the rest of the time. In my case, in my driving style and scenario, leaving it off would improve safety for me. It's a shortcoming that I have to deal with having my brakes slammed on and then forced into and out of park while a foot of my car is in the lane of traffic just because I happen to forgot to tap the button.



I never said this and I never had this expectation so you can argue with yourself all you like. I'm a director of software engineering at a self driving car company. I promise you I understand technology and it's limitations. The irony here is that because I acknowledge technology has limitations I think it's dumb when people jump in to every thread to tell me their experience with the technology has been perfect. That's great but it won't always be and telling someone else that your experience was perfect isn't helpful.

As an aside, it isn't unrealistic to think that CTA could be better for this scenario. Car software engineering is ****ing awful in basically every way and leagues away from what we would consider to be modern software engineering. It's totally reasonable that I expect there to be an option that says "don't turn on CTA until I am out of the location you to know to be my home" or "don't turn on CTA if it is obvious that I am reversing into traffic". All of these things are perfectly capable.

I'm not advocating that they do it but telling me it's impossible shows who the luddite in this conversation really is.

Simmer down, no one’s attacking you. You know it’s beneficial to tell us the level of expertise you have because it gives yourself a lot of credibility. I never said it’s perfect and I never said someday I won’t experience a false positive. Clearly you can see there’s a multitude of people here that supposedly have false positives. I think it’s safe to say a number of them or maybe even the majority of them Were caused by something that was unseen by the driver and missed labeled as completely unwarranted I never called you stupid but I’m not exactly sure that I agree with the premise of all of your statements. Having been in the automotive industry for quite some time working with this technology in the service department and with my current job , that is highly dependent on using this type of technology every day in my operation. I don’t think calling me a Luddite is very appropriate. I think he’s miss read the tone of my statement.

 

[cowfootball]

You know it’s beneficial to tell us the level of expertise you have because it gives yourself a lot of credibility.

Of course. Because you explicitly quoted my post and said that people are unrealistic about technologies capabilities. I'm specifically telling you that I am not. I am very acutely aware of automotive technologies capabilities.

There is absolutely no reason that CTA and other safety features cannot adapt to drive style and use location to make informed decisions to improve both safety and convenience. You said that it is "totally unreasonable" for the car to understand when you want to do this deliberately and I fervently disagree. I don't think automotive companies have the skills to do it -- nobody I know would work for an automotive company in 2023 because you earn 1/4 the amount to work on technology a decade old -- but it's totally possible and not all that hard.

I think he’s miss read the tone of my statement.

The tone of your statement is the tone of almost every statement you've ever made in this forum: condescension. All due respect, I don't need someone who has worked in service, sales or even corporate condescending me about technology.

 

[FlyEagles]

You two should get a room and duke it out for who is the more knowledgeable about safety features sometimes effing up .

Anyway, this happens to me all the time. I back into my garage because that lines up the charging port with where my cable is better. It's annoying, and I either have to turn off the auto brake feature before backing in or do it at a crawl pace. It also has happened on three occasions in one particular parking lot and I can't figure out why. It could have been some markings on the pavement, but it is annoying af. One time, two of my idiot passengers spilled their drinks when it happened. Not idiots because it was their fault but because it's my car and it sucked .

For the record, I do NOT want this feature turned off. It has 1000% saved my ass (pun intended) from backing my rear end into someone crossing behind me.

 

[msantram]

There's another discussion thread on this topic. I still believe that some people will hate this feature UNTIL it save them from hitting someone or something. The sudden jerk can be really alarming and it has scared me. But I am sure glad I have this feature.

When I'm in Brooklyn, I am more cognizant of my surroundings and it is a bit more sensitive, which makes me change my driving habits. I was backing out of a spot and someone on their phone with their head down popped out of nowhere and I am glad the feature worked. I also have three dogs, and when I'm in the country, it helps me make sure they are nowhere near the car. But that's just what works for me and part of the reason why I wanted these features in our Volvos.

That all said - I think there are a lot of valid viewpoints on these threads. It all matters to the driver - so I hope folks here can find the setting that works for them. If the parking sensors are too sensitive, I would get them looked at by a Volvo dealer. Good luck to all.

 

[VolvoFaRmeR]

The tone of your statement is the tone of almost every statement you've ever made in this forum: condescension. All due respect, I don't need someone who has worked in service, sales or even corporate condescending me about technology.

With all due respect…..your replies are condescending as hell. You seem to take the position your job makes your opinion more valid than everyone else’s. What a stupid, convoluted conversation.

I don’t think we are gonna be friends. Let’s no be friends and call it a day, shall we? Geez.

 

[crimethinking]

Hint: these two points are related.

Yes, it is obviously intentional. I never said it wasn't. I am simply saying that if you live in a city then you are much more likely to encounter the "backing into traffic legitimately" scenario regularly and you wouldn't be surprised that this happens often let alone be posting "not once ever has CTA triggered when I didn't want it to".

The real shortcoming here, IMO, is that you cannot turn it off and leave it off. I'm functionally doing that anyway it's just that every single time I turn on the car to leave the driveway I have to do it manually and then it stays off the rest of the time. In my case, in my driving style and scenario, leaving it off would improve safety for me. It's a shortcoming that I have to deal with having my brakes slammed on and then forced into and out of park while a foot of my car is in the lane of traffic just because I happen to forgot to tap the button.



I never said this and I never had this expectation so you can argue with yourself all you like. I'm a director of software engineering at a self driving car company. I promise you I understand technology and it's limitations. The irony here is that because I acknowledge technology has limitations I think it's dumb when people jump in to every thread to tell me their experience with the technology has been perfect. That's great but it won't always be and telling someone else that your experience was perfect isn't helpful.

As an aside, it isn't unrealistic to think that CTA could be better for this scenario. Car software engineering is ****ing awful in basically every way and leagues away from what we would consider to be modern software engineering. It's totally reasonable that I expect there to be an option that says "don't turn on CTA until I am out of the location you to know to be my home" or "don't turn on CTA if it is obvious that I am reversing into traffic". All of these things are perfectly capable.

I'm not advocating that they do it but telling me it's impossible shows who the luddite in this conversation really is.

Ignore that f*cking idiot. Scroll down to the CANBUS section of this forum, there will be something that helps you