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When I was in the other day for service was told “regular V60” coming back to the States, just a question of production constraints which are still very limited. It’s hard to get any V60 right now and they are snapped up right away. Would love a non-PE T8. But with the A4/ S4 Avant coming back in 2024, might just switch to Audi.

 

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Is North America seriously getting the S4/S4 Avant in the next generation? Last I heard no plans to bring the Avant.

Yup. No more sedan either, just hatch and wagon.

 

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Any idea where that is in the lease? While I'm not an attorney, I do read loan documents and credit agreements for a living and I've read through my lease and don't see it. I know many manufacturers began adding this language to their lease documents as the pandemic got going but I suspect our lease pre-dates that as we took delivery of our V60 the first days of April 2021.

Volvo has always had this language unfortunately. Predates the pandemic, goes back years and years and years. You can’t sell your leased Volvo to a third party. You can buy it yourself or sell to a Volvo dealer.

 

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Any ideas on when would be a good time to put in an order for a 2024 V60 PE (in the US). Rumor is that they are upgrading the charging speed which would be nice.

Yeah I’m going to be in the same boat, V60 T5 lease ends April 2024 and want to try to time as close as I can! Usually Volvo has six month pull ahead and you can extend your lease if you have another Volvo on order so there should be some flesibility

But the 2024 A4/S4 is coming in wagon (non-Allroad) to the States again so that might be tempting and more affordable. And supposedly PHEV, too. And the 5-Series wagon coming back to the States next year, too! Both tempting.

Anyways, hope they add a cool blue shade for 2024. If not, Thunder Grey it is.

 

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Glac 13: the 2024 A4/S4 is coming in wagon (non-Allroad) to the States again so that might be tempting and more affordable. And supposedly PHEV, too.

Oh my, where have you heard that? I’ve owned several A4/S4 Avant variants and would love to see them here again (as well as an RS4 Avant). Everything I’ve seen so far on the new B10 Avant says no-go for the U.S.

A few reliable sources have pegged it online (like Jonny Lieberman) and dealers are aware. It’s a very poorly kept secret.

There is no 2024 Audi A4 sedan, BTW. Wagon only. A5 Sportback becomes the “sedan”. RS4 Avant coming, too. Some online publications have picked up on that but most haven’t, even though every single spy shot of the B10 has been an Avant (which makes sense, since the sedan does not exist). Curious what that means for China where the A4 is locally produced. Sedans still sell well in China and wagons and hatchbacks don’t sell at all. Audi even makes a version of the A7 for China that isn’t a hatchback.

Obviously nothing for official until it’s official, but should be unveiled in the next couple of weeks.

And on the BMW side, on top of the 5 wagon coming back, the 3 wagon is scheduled to be built in San Luis Potosí starting in 2026, which supplies the States/Canada, so good sign. The current one doesn’t meet U.S. regulations due to battery placement in the passenger compartment, which ultimately killed the M3 Touring from coming over even though North American dealers have been begging for it.

 

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I remember when my sister leased her S40 with a money factor of .00001

I've leased for years now and it fits my car ownership needs and my desire to enjoy something new and different every few years. I have 1 year left on my S60 lease, and I'm totally bummed out that leasing is likely not going to be an option any more....it's just not making any financial sense.

I leased a V60 Inscription in May 2021 and the MF is something like .00028.

that’s insane how Crazy it is now. I’m looking to get a V60PE at year end/early next year with my leasing coming up, but we will see. Curious what powertrain options Americans are getting with the new A4 Avant which might sway me to Audi.

 

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Audi was almost the first to increase leases that were laughable. I special ordered my S60, and my lease was price protected. I have had a 2016 Audi TT and a 2018 R8 V10 lease, so I was considering an TTS or S4 before I ordered the Volvo. Since I'm good friends with the Audi salesmen I had them check on some leases. A BASE A4 on a 3 year lease was $990/month, and the TTS was $1,300/month. It was just insane. My TT lease had been $650/month and my R8 V10 had been $1,800/month. The comparisons between what changed in a matter of months was just insane. I'm afraid the days of leasing are over, or at least for a while. I'm like you...I have less than 1 year on my lease, and right now you are looking at 30-40% payment increase. It's financial suicide at these rates.

Yes I leased a very well equipped A4 in 2018 for $0 down and $404/month. Sticker was just over $44k. It was FWD but had plenty of options.

Leases got very bad in the last 18 months but are now slowly getting better. Definitely not over at all. The average car is now sold under MSRP again as of last month and things will return to normal. Cost of borrowing will remain an issue but manufacturers have the ability to heavily subsidize money factors (and APR on in-house due dung) which they are going to be forced to as demand weakens.

 

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Interesting extrapolation from figures in carsalesbase.com. They break down the 60 series data into XC60, V60CC and V60. For 2022, since the only V60 imported to the US was the PE, one can assume that the V60 numbers are all V60PE. The numbers, currently only available through November, speak volumes about Volvo’s strategy, Total 60 series sales for 11 months, 33,896. XC60-32,659. V60CC-1,147, V60(PE)-90. This also helps explain the problems and long wait for the V60PE. Even the V60CC is quite rare.

I believe the started combining the two so V60 is leftover 2021 units. Also, they didn’t import any V60s for a huge chunk of time, roughly I believe February through August or so? So not representative of a true full year.