[Ultrarunner511]

Ah, a rare moment of self reflection for you, so all hope isn't lost yet

Yeah, this is one of the most ironic statements by Farmer. But I’m fairly certain he’s too dense to understand. Thankfully screen shots last forever


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[dpothier]

Yeah, this is one of the most ironic statements by Farmer. But I’m fairly certain he’s too dense to understand. Thankfully screen shots last forever


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Yeah, the projection is on full blast these days


2019 S60 T6 Inscription w/advanced & Polestar tune

 

[msantram]

Yeah, this is one of the most ironic statements by Farmer. But I’m fairly certain he’s too dense to understand. Thankfully screen shots last forever

Yeah, the projection is on full blast these days

Reminds me of this image...

 

[Island_V70]

My 2017 XC90 has me believing that there are two companies that make "perfect" vehicles - Porsche and Volvo.

Cheers!

I need your Porsche then, my experience with both brands is "you will be fixing them". Actually need your Volvo too!
Both my Porsche and V70 would have been non-viable if I paid someone to fix them. I got the V70 to be about as reliable as a sledgehammer after a lot of screwing around about three or four hundred dollars worth of parts. Shop rates for all that would have cost me as much as I paid for the car.

 

[Big Lebowski]

But you can't answer the question, can you? When someone suggests your evaluation of the car is flawed and doesn't make sense, you can't back up your statements. You have overstated and mislead, and now somehow if you mention that you are a "troll" and somehow gaslighting (the most overused expression of 2022). Now you hurl insults and mock me.

What a wonderful conversation we are having. You just deflect and insult. I just don't understand people like you. You just hunt for people to be unpleasant to I guess. So how about you move past my "troll comments" and let the discussion continue. Unless you would like to actually discuss how your critique has some very serious inaccuracies? You'll note my "troll comments" have been "liked" by a few people, so I'm not the only one that isn't on board with your review....

Its kind of ironic that you are accusing me of being "unpleasant", given that you went out of your way to be unpleasant from the start. Its seems that's kind of your MO. Calling it like it is, isn't hurling insults or mocking someone. I've been here for 5 minutes and sized you up pretty quickly, and given others reaction to your comments I'm pretty confident I'm spot on. No real surprise that you can dish it out, but you can't handle being challenged. I wrote a list of things I liked and a list of major and minor issues I've experienced with my XC90 and you decided to take it personally and zero in on ONE comment. I'm not replying or justifying your request for "proof" because I have no doubt even if I provided documentation, it would never be enough.

 

[Pioneer4x4]

Volvo ownership, the good (the whole car), the bad (when stuff doesn't work), the ugly (this thread now ).

 

[VolvoFaRmeR]

Its kind of ironic that you are accusing me of being "unpleasant", given that you went out of your way to be unpleasant from the start. Its seems that's kind of your MO. Calling it like it is, isn't hurling insults or mocking someone. I've been here for 5 minutes and sized you up pretty quickly, and given others reaction to your comments I'm pretty confident I'm spot on. No real surprise that you can dish it out, but you can't handle being challenged. I wrote a list of things I liked and a list of major and minor issues I've experienced with my XC90 and you decided to take it personally and zero in on ONE comment. I'm not replying or justifying your request for "proof" because I have no doubt even if I provided documentation, it would never be enough.

Just as I expected your reply to be.....more insults, can't back up what you said and won't explain yourself because you know you are wrong. I've added you to my blocked list and I'm leaving this thread. You are the one that wanted to take my comments and amplify them as somehow being "unpleasant" beyond anything I intended, but you won't let it go. As someone that used to work for Volvo for years it's hilarious to think I can't handle being challenged but someone....OMG, it literally was my life every day for years to deal with people like you at one. You have been on this forum for less than one month and I've been here for more than 20 years, sooo....you don't know me or my work history with Volvo than is pretty extensive (nor do you know the connections I have with upper Volvo management in North America). Sorry my previous work history and experiences cause me to be a lot more knowledgeable about Volvo than you. The vast majority of what you said is true and I agree with you, but you made some very controversial statements. As you can see, many others have agreed with me, not you. You literally can not back up what you said because it's wrong and you know it...but won't admit your inflating some of the problems you had to sound worse than they were. You didn't have your entire axel replaced, and you didn't' have your entire air suspension replaced like you stated. You should own up to that. Enjoy your fancy Ford. Well, likely you won't with that thing's flaws.

 

[Island_V70]

Just as I expected your reply to be.....more insults, can't back up what you said and won't explain yourself because you know you are wrong. I've added you to my blocked list and I'm leaving this thread. You are the one that wanted to take my comments and amplify them as somehow being "unpleasant" beyond anything I intended, but you won't let it go. As someone that used to work for Volvo for years it's hilarious to think I can't handle being challenged but someone....OMG, it literally was my life every day for years to deal with people like you at one. You have been on this forum for less than one month and I've been here for more than 20 years, sooo....you don't know me or my work history with Volvo than is pretty extensive (nor do you know the connections I have with upper Volvo management in North America). Sorry my previous work history and experiences cause me to be a lot more knowledgeable about Volvo than you. The vast majority of what you said is true and I agree with you, but you made some very controversial statements. As you can see, many others have agreed with me, not you. You literally can not back up what you said because it's wrong and you know it...but won't admit your inflating some of the problems you had to sound worse than they were. You didn't have your entire axel replaced, and you didn't' have your entire air suspension replaced like you stated. You should own up to that. Enjoy your fancy Ford. Well, likely you won't with that thing's flaws.

Ford vehicles are the worst! I mean look what they did to Volvo

 

[Big Lebowski]

Ford vehicles are the worst! I mean look what they did to Volvo

Ha ha, good point! At this point, I think that Chinese company has owned Volvo longer than Ford did. 😂

Time will tell on the Lincoln. I’ve owned two “Fords” in the last three decades. A used early 90’s T-bird after college and a new 2011 Shelby GT500. The Shelby was problem free, and I think the T-bird only had a bad alternator. Other than that, they were problem free. (Farmer will have to take my word for it, because I don’t have my service documents to prove it.)

I realize that was years ago and those were very different vehicles…but I also recognize that even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[gramesmith]

Ha ha, good point! At this point, I think that Chinese company has owned Volvo longer than Ford did.

Time will tell on the Lincoln. I’ve owned two “Fords” in the last three decades. A used early 90’s T-bird after college and a new 2011 Shelby GT500. The Shelby was problem free, and I think the T-bird only had a bad alternator. Other than that, they were problem free. (Farmer will have to take my word for it, because I don’t have my service documents to prove it.)

I realize that was years ago and those were very different vehicles…but I also recognize that even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Just curious whether you considered a Genesis GV80 during your search. I have seen one at the dealership recently and was really impressed with the interior and exterior

 

[Big Lebowski]

Just curious whether you considered a Genesis GV80 during your search. I have seen one at the dealership recently and was really impressed with the interior and exterior

I did! I really liked them, similar price point, and amenities. Really sharp car. My only gripe (and this is nit picky) was I don’t like the steering wheel, lol. But I could live with it. The deciding factor was dealers around here were still charging over MSRP for the GV80, and I could get the Aviator for ”supplier pricing” with an X-plan PIN…which gets me out the door at 4% below invoice.

 

[likeXC90]

Just curious whether you considered a Genesis GV80 during your search. I have seen one at the dealership recently and was really impressed with the interior and exterior

I've been reading that only Genesis has been growing market share at the expense of all the other luxury car makers - there must be a good reason!

 

[msantram]

I've been reading that only Genesis has been growing market share at the expense of all the other luxury car makers - there must be a good reason!

Hyundai has done a great job building German cars in Korea. They hired many designers from VAG. Their cars all look like rebadged Audis.

 

[Delmarva]

Ford vehicles are the worst! I mean look what they did to Volvo

Ford owning Volvo was like GM owning Saab. Why did those Michigan car makers have to pick on Sweden???

 

[liquid stereo]

My 2017 XC90 is coming up on 80K miles. Other than wear items, only 1 “problem” around 65K miles. I can’t remember exactly what it was but I believe it was a switch of some kind in/on the steering column.

My Panamera was zero problems.

I need your Porsche then, my experience with both brands is "you will be fixing them". Actually need your Volvo too!
Both my Porsche and V70 would have been non-viable if I paid someone to fix them. I got the V70 to be about as reliable as a sledgehammer after a lot of screwing around about three or four hundred dollars worth of parts. Shop rates for all that would have cost me as much as I paid for the car.

 

[Big Lebowski]

Hyundai has done a great job building German cars in Korea. They hired many designers from VAG. Their cars all look like rebadged Audis.

I’d agree, and don’t think that’s a knock. There was a time when I turned my nose up at them and the Genesis has definitely turned heads.

 

[rcutchins]

You'll have to report back your initial feedback on your new Lincoln. I'll be curious to hear what you have to say. I've been a BMW guy for quite a while, and currently drive a '17 X5, which is an incredible vehicle to drive and own. Was thinking about going "Volvo" for an SUV (currently own 3 classic 240's for fun). After reading through this post, I'm wondering if sticking with the X5 is not in my best interest. Reading through all these posts, it seems like it's almost a draw on the good and the bad - I'm sure like most vehicles (the same post written about an X5 would probably come to a draw as well, although my experience with the two X5's I've owned has been stellar). Make a point of coming back and letting us know what you think of your new car.

 

[SwampBuggy]

I agree with the original post. I have owned a 2018 XC60 inscription with air suspension. Over 4 years the car was flawless with one exception is the creaking and grinding from the front suspension when turning. We now have a 2022 XC90 T8 inscription without the air suspension. The ride can be harsh and it is noisy. The engine is the same. Except in pure mode where the lack of engine noise is appreciated. But the road noise and harshness spoil that feeling. Side note is my dealer will not spec a car with air suspension For some reason.

We love the exterior and interior design. It still has the Sensus which is fine for our use. I have driven others with the AAOS and find it a half hearted effort. The inscription seats are one of the best. Porsche is at the top though. In my humble opinion the screens and few buttons on an Audi with the exception of the models with the tacked on screen is ideal, especially with the displays that can be configured on the instrument cluster screen. The cargo space is very good and surprising in what can be hauled around.

The Volvo Inscription/Ultimate trim brings that near luxury aspect to the XC60 & XC90 models. Somehow they miss the mark with the harshness and noises from the engine and road. My daily driver is an Audi A6 . In auto mode for the suspension it is a serene place to drive and it maintains a good performance handling experience when needed.

My wife loves the XC90 and we will definitely consider another one when the lease expires next year. here’s to hoping Volvo can put a bit more refinement in the future.

 

[Sveedy]

Well I've got to say, that sometimes I feel like I've stumbled into an 8th grade chat room. The amount of trollish behavior here is surprising, considering the demographic one would think of when it comes to Volvo. It was just a few weeks ago that a couple of guys were posting pics of, and comparing the sizes of, their..............bank accounts. Really ???
I'm not sure what drives this Animal House food fight behavior, but I don't see it over on Matthews for instance. But I have seen it over on my Jeep forum - draw your own conclusions. Maybe just a sign of our times, but I'd like to see better from this " family ".

 

[grrvolvofan]

I have one month left on my second XC90 lease, and I am honestly counting the days until it is over. Admittedly, part of that is excitement for my new car which is scheduled to be built early next month, but mostly I am ready to move on. I am on multiple other vehicle forums, and I understand how this can come off. I'm going to share my feedback and let future buyers draw their own conclusions. Flame suit activated for those that do not like my perspective, and I respect that.

Where I came from: My first XC90 was a Momentum, in a gorgeous denim blue. After owning multiple Jeep Grand Cherokees I needed a 3 row utility due to kids, trips, dog, life, etc BUT needed to stay under a certain length and height as I have a car lift in my garage that I store my "summer" toy on. I felt many domestic mid size SUV's were too low rent for my taste and the Germans (Audi, BMW) were too pricey. The Volvo hit a sweet spot, but I admit I NEVER saw myself buying a Volvo.

What I liked: The Good

• Design: I was attracted to the minimal styling of both the interior and exterior. In a nut shell, I thought it looked very attractive and stylish. I love the Audi's and saw this as a baby Audi. I negotiated a great deal and off the lot I drove.
• Engine: I was surprised by how peppy the engine was for a 4 cylinder and it met my physical needs.
• Auto Pilot: I of course was aware of Volvo's reputation for safety but that had little to do with my decision to buy one. I actually learned more about the safety features AFTER I bought it, then prior. My hands down, favorite feature of my XC90 is the AutoPilot feature. We take a lot of road trips, and the feature allows me to take micro-breaks while driving to change a station, talk, get a soda, etc. It does pull weird when an on ramp enters the road, and never centers but all in all it has been a phenomenal feature. It was a big feature I looked for in its replacement.
• R-Design: I don't remember how long I owned my Momentum, but with a few years my dealer offered to upgrade me for the same payment into an "R-Design" in blue. I still LOVE this blue color and the styling of the R Design.
• Visibility: Has good visibility, as expected for a Volvo.
• Sound System: The upgraded Bowers & Wilkens sounds system is a delight.
• Heads Up: Love it and have it on a few other vehicles, and insist on it whenever available. So handy.
• App: The app is handy and respect that Volvo doesn't charge a monthly fee, that it comes with the car. I use the remote start from my phone and watch daily in the Winter and the middle of the Summer. Very handy.

What I don't like: The Bad

• Engine: (Yes, I realize this was a like above...initially). In "polestar engineered" mode, its pretty peppy...surprisingly so at highway speeds, but it lacks low end umph, and at the end of the day I prefer V8 (v6 at a minimum) power AND sound. The 4 cylinder turbo and supercharged engine is very tinny to me. It gets old for this size of vehicle. Some of this is my baggage, and I acknowledge that.
• Design: What are we at? 7 years? 8 years, with little or now cosmetic refresh? The design looked sharp when I bought it in 2017 / 2018, but now looks a little long in the tooth.
• Chrome / Aluminum: Its Everywhere. Literally. Mirrors, grille, trim, etc. Tacky plastic aluminum. In fairness, the new ones have more exterior black trim and looks a load better. The aluminum just dates the design IMHO.
• No cooled seats: The R-Design with its suede interior does not have cooled seats. Lame. This was a big negative on long road trips, especially in the Summer.
• Seat Comfort: What began as looking tight, crisp, thoughtful and minimal seats are actually hard as a board. 10's of thousands of miles have not softened them...only wrinkled them. For perspective, I'm used to firm seats with bolsters in sports cars. On long trips I am constantly shifting in place. Not a fan.
• No Buttons: What began as looking like a minimal, elegant designed cockpit, void of buttons is actually a user PITA. I really did like the lack of buttons and dusty spots, but after daily use, having to go through the head unit / touch screen for common tasks related to the radio selection or climate control gets old. The interior needs just a handful more buttons for frequently used tasks.
• Safety features: Lane keeping assist can be invasive. My wife and daughters refuse to drive the car. Yes, you can turn it off, but they don't like it. So no on drives it but me.

What I REALLY don't like: The Ugly

• Touchscreen Head Unit: After almost 5 years, I am still not used to the head unit organization. It is slow, it glitches and the swipe left, swipe right feels awkward and unnatural. I always swipe the wrong direction for what I need to do. The vertical orientation is TINY by todays standards and just doesn't work. CarPlay is a postage stamp. Radio channel selection, browsing requires too much time of your eyes off the road. Since almost EVERYTHING the driver needs to control is in this touchscreen it lacks finesse and a rational UI that makes logical sense. The system is just slow. Slow to wake up, slow to respond. Just slow.
• System Crashing: Both my XC90's had issues with the dash crashing while driving. Now it does it a few times whenever we are on a longer drive. VERY unsettling to have the entire dash (including speedometer), touchscreen everything go blank at 75 mph. Systems goes dark, music off, AC off and drive mode resets. It reboots and we're eventually back in business. The good news is I have never lost vehicle power during this time. Dealer has done "software updates" but obviously we still haven't found the issue.
• Loud Cabin / Road noise: It is not a quiet sanctuary as they'd have you believe in the commercials. Road noise, wind noise, engine noise... This is not a german by any stretch.
• Rotors / Breaks: In my 2019, the Rotors are a joke. First ones were warped so bad all 4 rotors had to be replaced. They still vibrate when braking. Again, I am used to sports cars and don't need a cushy Cadillac ride. These brakes are not good and the vibration is horrible braking from highway speeds to an off ramp. If I wasn't returning it in a month, I'd be asking for new rotors again. Now, I just don't care.
• Suspension: The air suspension went out and the entire rear system had to be replaced. That was a week plus in the shop but covered under warranty. Would not want to imagine paying for that outside of warranty.
• Rear Axle: Something happened with the rear axle on my momentum, and the ENTIRE rear axle had to be replaced. Seriously.
• Long-term Feel: It is not a comfortable vehicle. It is rigid, firm, unwelcoming, unemotional and stoic. It is northern European to a tee. If you are an uptight neat freak, you might love it. I hand wash and detail my own cars and this is about as lovable as a cat.
• Service: I bought into the Volvo also for the service. They would pick up my vehicle and drop off a loaner. This occurred for the first few years but during Covid that changed. I understood during the pandemic but they STILL will not come to me for pickup, which requires me to take a half day from work and go sit in their cold dealership while they work on my car...or get a 40 minute ride back home. Loaners even are hit or miss. This was one of the biggest disappointments and original differentiators that steered me to the brand.

If you own a reliable XC90 and love it, my hat is off to you. I am sincerely happy for you, but I and my family have found in time, this to be a miserable piece of transportation. It gets us from point A to Point B. After considering the X5, Q7, Genesis and Cadillac, I have decided to get a loaded Lincoln Aviator. Should be here late February / Early March and I can't wait. The Volvo experiment is coming to a close. Ironically, I turned my brother in law onto Volvo and he loves it. My sister is in the market too, and she has decided on the XC90. Friends ask me about it, and I share the good, bad and the ugly and let them decide. If you are looking at an XC90, go into with open eyes is my only recomendation. It will not get faster. It will not get softer. It will not get sexier...but it very likely will let you walk away from an accident. So there is that.