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I couldn’t agree more on the rotors being unbelievably sad on this car. Has anyone found a reasonable solution to keep them from warping? I can’t even get 10k miles out of a set of rotors without whole vehicle shake. Dealer replaced once out of goodwill but won’t again. Less than 10k miles. I really don’t want to replace rotors every year.

I know there’s going to be a boatload of folks saying they haven’t had any issues, I do realize that the driving style has a lot to do with it. Mine is garage kept so it isn’t rust and lack of driving. How can you make an r-design with polestar and leave the same set of rotors and pads in the design knowing that if anyone actually uses the gas petal all of the rotors will be instantly warped.

Has anyone found a set of more aggressive pads that might help?
 

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I couldn’t agree more on the rotors being unbelievably sad on this car. Has anyone found a reasonable solution to keep them from warping? I can’t even get 10k miles out of a set of rotors without whole vehicle shake. Dealer replaced once out of goodwill but won’t again. Less than 10k miles. I really don’t want to replace rotors every year.

I know there’s going to be a boatload of folks saying they haven’t had any issues, I do realize that the driving style has a lot to do with it. Mine is garage kept so it isn’t rust and lack of driving. How can you make an r-design with polestar and leave the same set of rotors and pads in the design knowing that if anyone actually uses the gas petal all of the rotors will be instantly warped.

Has anyone found a set of more aggressive pads that might help?
PowerStop or TRW pads and Zimmermann rotors
 

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I totally agree with the brake rotor issue. Volvo has to know about it since they have replaced mine, at no charge, at each of my 3 complimentary services. The car starts vibrating when braking. The engine is course sounding for a luxury brand but I knew that going in. As for the lack of physical buttons/dials-yeah a few more would be nice but thank Tesla for taking the market in the opposite direction. I hope the Lincoln has done a better job in that regard. Good luck with the new car.
 

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I couldn’t agree more on the rotors being unbelievably sad on this car. Has anyone found a reasonable solution to keep them from warping? I can’t even get 10k miles out of a set of rotors without whole vehicle shake. Dealer replaced once out of goodwill but won’t again. Less than 10k miles. I really don’t want to replace rotors every year.

I know there’s going to be a boatload of folks saying they haven’t had any issues, I do realize that the driving style has a lot to do with it. Mine is garage kept so it isn’t rust and lack of driving. How can you make an r-design with polestar and leave the same set of rotors and pads in the design knowing that if anyone actually uses the gas petal all of the rotors will be instantly warped.

Has anyone found a set of more aggressive pads that might help?
Replacement parts have a 12/12,000 warranty. So if your rotors “warp” after 10,000 miles, that’s warranty. It's been that way for over two decades. Volvo was actively allowing dealers to warranty brakes through 30,000 miles at the height of this issue. Thankfully, an update to pads and rotors seem to have solved this issue for the most part.
 

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“Fancy Ford?” This passive aggressive comment says so much about you. You “don’t mind people that want to evaluate the dislikes of their Volvo?” Lol, keep telling yourself that, because you clearly have an ax to grind.

I’ve elaborated enough, but everything I stated AND MORE happened. Sorry, I didn’t meet your standards of Internet forum journalistic formatting. Even though I’m not singing the same praises about your beloved Volvos, this was MY experience.
so no explanation about the axle?

Looks like I hit a nerve. I’ll leave you be. Sorry that the reality of a Lincoln being a Ford pushed you over the edge, along with pointing out some comments you made are not an opinion but you rather confused on the facts. Geez. Bye bye.
 

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I've driven a lot of cars but have to say MY16R is one of the best non-stick vehicles I have ever owned, inside and out. Other than a few issues, for luxury SUV's with 3 rows, I would only consider the GLE-AMG or maybe the X7 (loved the old Q8 but the new design is ugly) and those are quite a bit more money.

Anyway, different strokes I guess, I love MY16R so much, there really isn't much I'd change. For the "bad and ugly" portions of the OP, I, luckily, have never experienced even half the things he did.
 

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I somewhat agree with the original post. Towards the end of my lease the XC90 T6 my vehicle is getting better. Yes, Volvo replaced rotors 3 times, annoying infotainment and slow transmission but there’s decent room in the 3rd row and even behind it. I checked out a Jeep Grand Cherokee L limited and it was a piece of junk. Cheap plastic, sharp edges, terrible leather quality etc. Audi Q7 seems tight in the 3rd row and I didn’t find X5 with 3 row seats because they’re pushing the X7. Mercedes-Benz GLE 3 row is rare as well and the GLS just a totally different league and price. So overall the Volvo is not that bad. Great rust resistance which I appreciate in upstate NY and amazing heated seats and steering wheel. I personally don’t like the interior of the new era US vehicles and built quality. Again, personal preference. Is the XC90 amazing? No. Requires some compromise. But for the price I got it for and the buyout price locked in the lease contract I think it’s a good people hauler.
 

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I couldn’t agree more on the rotors being unbelievably sad on this car. Has anyone found a reasonable solution to keep them from warping? I can’t even get 10k miles out of a set of rotors without whole vehicle shake. Dealer replaced once out of goodwill but won’t again. Less than 10k miles. I really don’t want to replace rotors every year.

I know there’s going to be a boatload of folks saying they haven’t had any issues, I do realize that the driving style has a lot to do with it. Mine is garage kept so it isn’t rust and lack of driving. How can you make an r-design with polestar and leave the same set of rotors and pads in the design knowing that if anyone actually uses the gas petal all of the rotors will be instantly warped.

Has anyone found a set of more aggressive pads that might help?
So far the rotors on my 2020 XC90 are reasonably happy. That's after 42k miles on the original pads and rotors. I have yet to encounter a truly warped rotor.

Aggressive pads are not a good idea for most street driving. Maybe if you plan on hitting the track.
 

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I definitely don't agree about the low end issues, but as others have said it's different strokes for different folks. I think I liked the old six cylinder T6 a bit more overall but this supercharged 4 cylinder T6 is absolutely quicker in the low end.

The seats comment is interesting because nearly all car reviewers praise Volvo seats and they have for decades. That is something that is personal preference for you I guess.

I do think the Aviators are nice too and totally agree about wanting more physical buttons. Hopefully you enjoy it!
 

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If you buy the Aviator, look into Ford Protect, their extended warranty plan. You do not have to buy it from the dealer you buy the car from, there are a couple of dealers who sell the plans online for a discount. Your car still has to be under warranty to get it, so keep that in mind.
We looked into a couple Ford and Lincoln cars before getting our V60 and they can have some very expensive issues. I am not trying to talk you out of the Aviator, but don't think you are getting a Lexus that never breaks. The plans actually were pretty reasonable last I checked.
 

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My 2017 XC90 has me believing that there are two companies that make "perfect" vehicles - Porsche and Volvo.

Cheers!

I have one month left on my second XC90 lease, and I am honestly counting the days until it is over. Admittedly, part of that is excitement for my new car which is scheduled to be built early next month, but mostly I am ready to move on. I am on multiple other vehicle forums, and I understand how this can come off. I'm going to share my feedback and let future buyers draw their own conclusions. Flame suit activated for those that do not like my perspective, and I respect that.
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If you own a reliable XC90 and love it, my hat is off to you. I am sincerely happy for you, but I and my family have found in time, this to be a miserable piece of transportation. It gets us from point A to Point B. After considering the X5, Q7, Genesis and Cadillac, I have decided to get a loaded Lincoln Aviator. Should be here late February / Early March and I can't wait. The Volvo experiment is coming to a close. Ironically, I turned my brother in law onto Volvo and he loves it. My sister is in the market too, and she has decided on the XC90. Friends ask me about it, and I share the good, bad and the ugly and let them decide. If you are looking at an XC90, go into with open eyes is my only recomendation. It will not get faster. It will not get softer. It will not get sexier...but it very likely will let you walk away from an accident. So there is that.
 

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I have one month left on my second XC90 lease, and I am honestly counting the days until it is over. Admittedly, part of that is excitement for my new car which is scheduled to be built early next month, but mostly I am ready to move on. I am on multiple other vehicle forums, and I understand how this can come off. I'm going to share my feedback and let future buyers draw their own conclusions. Flame suit activated for those that do not like my perspective, and I respect that.

Where I came from: My first XC90 was a Momentum, in a gorgeous denim blue. After owning multiple Jeep Grand Cherokees I needed a 3 row utility due to kids, trips, dog, life, etc BUT needed to stay under a certain length and height as I have a car lift in my garage that I store my "summer" toy on. I felt many domestic mid size SUV's were too low rent for my taste and the Germans (Audi, BMW) were too pricey. The Volvo hit a sweet spot, but I admit I NEVER saw myself buying a Volvo.

What I liked: The Good
  • Design: I was attracted to the minimal styling of both the interior and exterior. In a nut shell, I thought it looked very attractive and stylish. I love the Audi's and saw this as a baby Audi. I negotiated a great deal and off the lot I drove.
  • Engine: I was surprised by how peppy the engine was for a 4 cylinder and it met my physical needs.
  • Auto Pilot: I of course was aware of Volvo's reputation for safety but that had little to do with my decision to buy one. I actually learned more about the safety features AFTER I bought it, then prior. My hands down, favorite feature of my XC90 is the AutoPilot feature. We take a lot of road trips, and the feature allows me to take micro-breaks while driving to change a station, talk, get a soda, etc. It does pull weird when an on ramp enters the road, and never centers but all in all it has been a phenomenal feature. It was a big feature I looked for in its replacement.
  • R-Design: I don't remember how long I owned my Momentum, but with a few years my dealer offered to upgrade me for the same payment into an "R-Design" in blue. I still LOVE this blue color and the styling of the R Design.
  • Visibility: Has good visibility, as expected for a Volvo.
  • Sound System: The upgraded Bowers & Wilkens sounds system is a delight.
  • Heads Up: Love it and have it on a few other vehicles, and insist on it whenever available. So handy.
  • App: The app is handy and respect that Volvo doesn't charge a monthly fee, that it comes with the car. I use the remote start from my phone and watch daily in the Winter and the middle of the Summer. Very handy.

What I don't like: The Bad
  • Engine: (Yes, I realize this was a like above...initially). In "polestar engineered" mode, its pretty peppy...surprisingly so at highway speeds, but it lacks low end umph, and at the end of the day I prefer V8 (v6 at a minimum) power AND sound. The 4 cylinder turbo and supercharged engine is very tinny to me. It gets old for this size of vehicle. Some of this is my baggage, and I acknowledge that.
  • Design: What are we at? 7 years? 8 years, with little or now cosmetic refresh? The design looked sharp when I bought it in 2017 / 2018, but now looks a little long in the tooth.
  • Chrome / Aluminum: Its Everywhere. Literally. Mirrors, grille, trim, etc. Tacky plastic aluminum. In fairness, the new ones have more exterior black trim and looks a load better. The aluminum just dates the design IMHO.
  • No cooled seats: The R-Design with its suede interior does not have cooled seats. Lame. This was a big negative on long road trips, especially in the Summer.
  • Seat Comfort: What began as looking tight, crisp, thoughtful and minimal seats are actually hard as a board. 10's of thousands of miles have not softened them...only wrinkled them. For perspective, I'm used to firm seats with bolsters in sports cars. On long trips I am constantly shifting in place. Not a fan.
  • No Buttons: What began as looking like a minimal, elegant designed cockpit, void of buttons is actually a user PITA. I really did like the lack of buttons and dusty spots, but after daily use, having to go through the head unit / touch screen for common tasks related to the radio selection or climate control gets old. The interior needs just a handful more buttons for frequently used tasks.
  • Safety features: Lane keeping assist can be invasive. My wife and daughters refuse to drive the car. Yes, you can turn it off, but they don't like it. So no on drives it but me.

What I REALLY don't like: The Ugly
  • Touchscreen Head Unit: After almost 5 years, I am still not used to the head unit organization. It is slow, it glitches and the swipe left, swipe right feels awkward and unnatural. I always swipe the wrong direction for what I need to do. The vertical orientation is TINY by todays standards and just doesn't work. CarPlay is a postage stamp. Radio channel selection, browsing requires too much time of your eyes off the road. Since almost EVERYTHING the driver needs to control is in this touchscreen it lacks finesse and a rational UI that makes logical sense. The system is just slow. Slow to wake up, slow to respond. Just slow.
  • System Crashing: Both my XC90's had issues with the dash crashing while driving. Now it does it a few times whenever we are on a longer drive. VERY unsettling to have the entire dash (including speedometer), touchscreen everything go blank at 75 mph. Systems goes dark, music off, AC off and drive mode resets. It reboots and we're eventually back in business. The good news is I have never lost vehicle power during this time. Dealer has done "software updates" but obviously we still haven't found the issue.
  • Loud Cabin / Road noise: It is not a quiet sanctuary as they'd have you believe in the commercials. Road noise, wind noise, engine noise... This is not a german by any stretch.
  • Rotors / Breaks: In my 2019, the Rotors are a joke. First ones were warped so bad all 4 rotors had to be replaced. They still vibrate when braking. Again, I am used to sports cars and don't need a cushy Cadillac ride. These brakes are not good and the vibration is horrible braking from highway speeds to an off ramp. If I wasn't returning it in a month, I'd be asking for new rotors again. Now, I just don't care.
  • Suspension: The air suspension went out and the entire rear system had to be replaced. That was a week plus in the shop but covered under warranty. Would not want to imagine paying for that outside of warranty.
  • Rear Axle: Something happened with the rear axle on my momentum, and the ENTIRE rear axle had to be replaced. Seriously.
  • Long-term Feel: It is not a comfortable vehicle. It is rigid, firm, unwelcoming, unemotional and stoic. It is northern European to a tee. If you are an uptight neat freak, you might love it. I hand wash and detail my own cars and this is about as lovable as a cat.
  • Service: I bought into the Volvo also for the service. They would pick up my vehicle and drop off a loaner. This occurred for the first few years but during Covid that changed. I understood during the pandemic but they STILL will not come to me for pickup, which requires me to take a half day from work and go sit in their cold dealership while they work on my car...or get a 40 minute ride back home. Loaners even are hit or miss. This was one of the biggest disappointments and original differentiators that steered me to the brand.

If you own a reliable XC90 and love it, my hat is off to you. I am sincerely happy for you, but I and my family have found in time, this to be a miserable piece of transportation. It gets us from point A to Point B. After considering the X5, Q7, Genesis and Cadillac, I have decided to get a loaded Lincoln Aviator. Should be here late February / Early March and I can't wait. The Volvo experiment is coming to a close. Ironically, I turned my brother in law onto Volvo and he loves it. My sister is in the market too, and she has decided on the XC90. Friends ask me about it, and I share the good, bad and the ugly and let them decide. If you are looking at an XC90, go into with open eyes is my only recomendation. It will not get faster. It will not get softer. It will not get sexier...but it very likely will let you walk away from an accident. So there is that.
I was in the same boat as you, switched from Momentum to Inscription. Almost considered getting a Kia Telluride or Hyundai Palisade which had comparable features for the price, just could not deal with markups and rather upgraded to a 2019 CPO

The R-Design seats have different side support than the other trims, I understand your discomfort. I switched from Momentum to Inscription, still trying to figure out the right lumbar setting. Ventilated seats are available only with Inscription

I believe the optional air suspension makes a good difference in the ride quality. BW Speakers, HUD, Pilot Driving are pretty good. So used to HUD now that I could not even consider the Q7 without it.

Wonder there is extra insulation in the cabin with BW speakers or maybe the newer tires aren’t as loud. Inscription feels much quieter than Momentum

Wish they upgraded the cameras since 2016 and also make Apple CarPlay full screen. There are after market options to get full screen car play, I believe that one would be pretty fast based on demo videos.

Is there a way to get a sound alert when Pilot Driving goes inactive?


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Is there a way to get a sound alert when Pilot Driving goes inactive?
If it goes inactive because you haven't placed your hands on the steering wheel/indicated to the car that you're still "there" and paying attention, there is an audible chime and the wheel does vibrate before turning the system off.
You get a first warning (steering wheel vibration + yellow warning on driver's display and HUD), then a second warning (steering wheel vibration + red warning on driver's display and HUD + urgent chime noise), and then it disengages (steering wheel vibration + warning on driver's display and HUD that Pilot Assist was turned off + urgent chime noise).
 

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I was in the same boat as you, switched from Momentum to Inscription. Almost considered getting a Kia Telluride or Hyundai Palisade which had comparable features for the price, just could not deal with markups and rather upgraded to a 2019 CPO

The R-Design seats have different side support than the other trims, I understand your discomfort. I switched from Momentum to Inscription, still trying to figure out the right lumbar setting. Ventilated seats are available only with Inscription

I believe the optional air suspension makes a good difference in the ride quality. BW Speakers, HUD, Pilot Driving are pretty good. So used to HUD now that I could not even consider the Q7 without it.

Wonder there is extra insulation in the cabin with BW speakers or maybe the newer tires aren’t as loud. Inscription feels much quieter than Momentum

Wish they upgraded the cameras since 2016 and also make Apple CarPlay full screen. There are after market options to get full screen car play, I believe that one would be pretty fast based on demo videos.

Is there a way to get a sound alert when Pilot Driving goes inactive?


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I absolutely LOVE my R-seats, they hug in just the right places, have amazing side bolsters and are extremely comfortable (I can't stand soft, cushy, bouncy seats with no side bolsters). They are very similar to the Recaro's I had in my S4 Avant and are only surpassed by the seats in my V70R:
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If it goes inactive because you haven't placed your hands on the steering wheel/indicated to the car that you're still "there" and paying attention, there is an audible chime and the wheel does vibrate before turning the system off.
You get a first warning (steering wheel vibration + yellow warning on driver's display and HUD), then a second warning (steering wheel vibration + red warning on driver's display and HUD + urgent chime noise), and then it disengages (steering wheel vibration + warning on driver's display and HUD that Pilot Assist was turned off + urgent chime noise).
Yes but if it goes off because it has lost track of the road markings….. it just goes happily on its merry way.
 

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Yes but if it goes off because it has lost track of the road markings….. it just goes happily on its merry way.
Yup. That’s what I am referring to - in winter if the conditions are too bright or the road markings aren’t obvious there is no audio warning that the Pilot is inactive. I need to constantly keep a watch on the HUD


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so no explanation about the axle?

Looks like I hit a nerve. I’ll leave you be. Sorry that the reality of a Lincoln being a Ford pushed you over the edge, along with pointing out some comments you made are not an opinion but you rather confused on the facts. Geez. Bye bye.
Ha ha, ahhh, so now we’ve moved onto gaslighting? How predictable. Hate to break it to you, but no nerve struck…I just enjoy quoting contradictions back to trolls. As I said in my original post, I expected that not everyone would agree with my perspective and I put on my favorite flame suit for the occasion. To be honest, everyone but you has been very pleasant. Understandably, not everyone agrees, but as a whole the feedback and insight has been refreshing for an online forum usually filled with trolls like yourself. Run along now. Time for you to ask your Mom for more Red Bull, or go to the store and get some smokes for the old lady or whatever it is trolls do in their spare time.
 

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Ha ha, ahhh, so now we’ve moved onto gaslighting? How predictable. Hate to break it to you, but no nerve struck…I just enjoy quoting contradictions back to trolls. As I said in my original post, I expected that not everyone would agree with my perspective and I put on my favorite flame suit for the occasion. To be honest, everyone but you has been very pleasant. Understandably, not everyone agrees, but as a whole the feedback and insight has been refreshing for an online forum usually filled with trolls like yourself. Run along now. Time for you to ask your Mom for more Red Bull, or go to the store and get some smokes for the old lady or whatever it is trolls do in their spare time.
But you can't answer the question, can you? When someone suggests your evaluation of the car is flawed and doesn't make sense, you can't back up your statements. You have overstated and mislead, and now somehow if you mention that you are a "troll" and somehow gaslighting (the most overused expression of 2022). Now you hurl insults and mock me.

What a wonderful conversation we are having. You just deflect and insult. I just don't understand people like you. You just hunt for people to be unpleasant to I guess. So how about you move past my "troll comments" and let the discussion continue. Unless you would like to actually discuss how your critique has some very serious inaccuracies? You'll note my "troll comments" have been "liked" by a few people, so I'm not the only one that isn't on board with your review....
 

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But you can't answer the question, can you? When someone suggests your evaluation of the car is flawed and doesn't make sense, you can't back up your statements. You have overstated and mislead, and now somehow if you mention that you are a "troll" and somehow gaslighting (the most overused expression of 2022). Now you hurl insults and mock me.

What a wonderful conversation we are having. You just deflect and insult. I just don't understand people like you. You just hunt for people to be unpleasant to I guess. So how about you move past my "troll comments" and let the discussion continue. Unless you would like to actually discuss how your critique has some very serious inaccuracies?
Ah, a rare moment of self reflection for you, so all hope isn't lost yet
 
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