1-From my experience, yes.

2-Spark plugs, one of the two Aux belts.
(As a positive the job will include a coolant drain and refill and of course a full synthetic oil and filter change.)

3-At ~61K your Cabin filter is due.
Cabin filter, Engine Air filter and Brake fluid flush will be due at 80K.
Cabin filter again at 100K.

 

Thanks a lot for your 2 cents.

Great, so I'll ask them to replace the spark plugs and I'll pay for them of course.

There's only one aux belt that can be changed when the piston ring repair is done?

I forgot to mention when I did the engine air filter (55k) and cabin air filter (60k) in the original post.
Thanks so much!

 

If there's a chance you keep it until 130k, do the timing belt kit now. Or do it anyway and use it to maybe get a little more when you sell it (if you sell it privately).

 

I think he made a mistake. The Drive-E engines only have one drive belt.

The 5 cylinders had two, though in my experience it's the outer one that shreds due to a bad tensioner letting it walk off.

 

Yes I was mistaken, those comments were directed towards the 5 cylinder engines.

I've also seen when either one of their two Aux belts fail and it's always bad!

 

Thanks a lot for the advice Tech and Vista88!. I'll ask them to change my spark plugs and drive belt.

 

I just finished the oil consumption test for my T5 2 liter turbo car and the Volvo dealership said that I need new piston rings; they're sending a request to Volvo to replace the piston rings. Thankfully I'm under the 7 yr, 100k mi plan.

Sorry these are probably silly questions but I'd really appreciate if anybody could offer any guidance.

1. Does the piston ring replacement fix the oil consumption issue the majority of the time?

I had my rings / pistons replaced. No scoring on the cylinder walls. I also had the timing belt kit done for parts (no labor). Timing Belt, Pulley, Serpentine belt, and tensioner.

Does replacing the pistons always go well?....No.

2. Can anything else be replaced like the spark plugs, accessory drive belt, belt tensioner, idler pulley for the cost of parts while the piston ring repair is being done?

Yes. Spark plugs are included (or at least with my rebuild).. All other mentioned items can be for parts only cost.

3. Any preventative maintenance you'd recommend from 61k until ~100k miles? Here's what was changed in the car.

Transmission oil drained at 45k miles
Coolant flushed at 30k miles
Brake pads/rotors, brake fluid, and battery changed at 55k miles.
Spark plugs replaced at 30k miles

Stay current on maintenance schedules.

I'm thinking of selling the car for a new car once I get to 100k miles since I'd need new tires at that point and new brake pads, rotors, battery, etc. I also want an upgrade haha. If I did more preventative maintenance I'd probably keep it until ~130k miles.

So far my piston ring / piston replacement is fine 16,000 miles later. However, I am aware of an incident where a person's engine completely failed after piston replacement. Trashed the entire engine after about 20k miles. But for sake of privacy, I can't really elaborate more as this is an ongoing issue with Volvo.

So these things don't always go perfect.

 

Yes. Spark plugs are included (or at least with my rebuild).. All other mentioned items can be for parts only cost.

Oh they didn't charge you parts nor labor for spark plugs?

Hmm how much did the timing belt kit cost you?

If I do all this at 61k miles I may have to keep it past 100k miles haha. I was thinking of gifting it to a family member since I've babied this car and been very diligent with maintenance.

Thanks for your input!

 

See Below:

 

See Attached: This was done under the old 7 yr / 100k CPO, too.

 

Thanks a lot for the info; I'll see how much it costs at the dealership I go to!

 

Technically you don't have to remove the tensioner or idler, so if they want to charge a half hour for that, it can kinda be justified.

 

Must be Rolls Royce Prices at the dealership @S60noob patronizes. $1800 with presumably $1400 of the bill being labor, since the parts ran about $400. That's one expensive half hour!

Joking aside, these dealers are bamboozling and trying to screw him over. When the shop's getting about $5k for the piston job, even nickle and diming him over 30 minutes of labor seems petty. But at least "Justifiable" according to you.

That's not even the case. They're treating this guy like he's an idiot.

 

Oh the two dealers that were quoting me for 1,200-1,800 for the timing belt aren't involved in the piston ring repair. I just called them to get a ballpark estimate of what it would cost at the other local dealerships normally. I presume they would charge less if doing the timing belt change with the engine broken down.

I'm fine paying the dealership which is doing the piston ring repair a few hundred as a "tip" for doing the maintenance as we're getting the new piston rings. I just would like them to do the maintenance while the engine is broken down.

 

Yes, we are all very well aware of your cars' service history. You post it in nearly every thread.

Your post made it sound like they should absolutely not charge any labor under any circumstances. I simply provided the other side of that, once again based on actual experience, so that if the dealer was charging a small amount, someone doesn't try to argue with them based on an internet thread.

Quite frankly, if I'm getting screwed by Volvo paying me their crappy labor time to fix a car I didn't design or engineer when it should be a customer pay labor time because it is outside of warranty and you're too cheap to pay a half hour to save yourself a couple hours labor in the future, I'm fine with you taking your car to another dealer.

 

Your post made it sound like they should absolutely not charge any labor under any circumstances. I simply provided the other side of that, once again based on actual experience, so that if the dealer was charging a small amount, someone doesn't try to argue with them based on an internet thread.

You deserve paid. No arguments. I was referring to dealer not techs. Obviously, just because a job is $5000, doesn't mean the tech sees it all. Meaning the dealer can give a discount, but the techs should never be shorted pay.

Quite frankly, if I'm getting screwed by Volvo paying me their crappy labor time to fix a car I didn't design or engineer when it should be a customer pay labor time because it is outside of warranty and you're too cheap to pay a half hour to save yourself a couple hours labor in the future, I'm fine with you taking your car to another dealer.

I was referring to @S60noob and not @Stampermann. @S60noob being within warranty and him being quoted for the last several posts. So yes, trying to charge him a full rate on labor would be out of line. But 30 minutes tit for tat.

@staid in a weird predicament. Jis engine failed at 101,300 miles. 23k after rebuild but 1300 outside CPO. I've given him some suggestions. We shall see what happens.

 

When I drop off my car for the piston ring repair soon along with the spark plugs, coolant, timing belt maintenance I was going to offer to pay an hour or two for labor extra. How does this sound? I don't care about a few hundred bucks lost when they're giving me 4-5 thousand in warranty repairs. I just want them to do a good job, not be rushed, and to not be so underpaid for the warranty repair.

 

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Def not a couple hrs.....Honestly, parts only or 30 mins to hr per @Tech

 

See if you can talk to the tech doing the job. A hundred bucks left under the seat for him will be much more than he would get for a half hour labor.

 

Problem being if he talks to service advisor and offers to pay a few hours of labor, they'll gladly say SURE! Charge him $500 and tech sees squat but the 30 mins or maybe hr he's paid.

So your suggestion is much better.

 

So the dealership just diagnosed a "howling" sound as a bad oil trap/PCV valve. They said it wouldn't be covered under my 7 yr, 100k CPO warranty and that it'd be about $400 out the door. This repair wouldn't be covered by the CPO right?

I'm fine paying if it's not supposed to be covered; the warranty terms say the "exhaust system" is excluded from CPO coverage.

They're charging me parts cost for the coolant, timing belt, and spark plugs and they said those parts are $400 total also. I think other posters weren't charged for the spark plug and coolant but it's not a big deal since the total cost of the coolant/timing belt/spark plugs is a reasonable 400.

So $800 total for everything in addition to the piston ring repair.

 

So let's simplify this down a bit.

1. How much are they charging you to do Timing Belt Kit? Did you ever get this matter resolved for parts only price or 1 hour of labor tops?

2. I'm can't find an exclusionary list under the old 7yr / 100k CPO. I would shoot @SteingoldVolvoCars a message and ask mike if he knows. Pretty much all I can locate from the old text is:

https://assets.volvocars.com/us/~/m.../us/~/media/us/downloads/brochures/2017/volvo-cpo-2017-brochure-v1.pdf?la=en-us

7-year/100,000-mile protection* covering replacement or repair of defective components within the following systems:

- Engine
- Transmission
- Drive axle (front and rear)
- Steering

• Suspension
• Brakes

- Electrical
- Air condition

 

No question coolant is part of the job.

And as Tech said, for Drive-E engines below serial number ~150,000, the PCV box is a required prerequisite even before the oil consumption test begins.
That and an ECM software upgrade if available.

 

No question coolant is part of the job.

And as Tech said, for Drive-E engines below serial number ~150,000, the PCV box is a required prerequisite even before the oil consumption test begins.
That and an ECM software upgrade if available.

Whatever dealer @S60noob is using is shady as hell. I'd be very skeptical about them touching the car, with all the B.S. they're trying to pull on him.

Since when is coolant and fluids "extra" on a job that requires draining fluids...(Under Warranty)

Spark plugs were also included in my piston ring / piston replacement under warranty. Even though I had the plugs swapped out at 60K under the recall. Dealer replaced them for free alongside the rebuild, if you look at the attached work order I posted in response to @Tech.

 

Other than the oil burning on the early drive-e engines the P3s seem to be pretty solid. We’ve been doing a lot of injectors on them lately but they seem ok otherwise


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I'm not getting into how a warranty claim works. Volvo could deny the claim if something not included in the repair is claimed. Will they? Not likely unless the dealer is under some scrutiny for warranty claims.

And by "deny the claim", I don't mean deny coverage to the customer. The job would already be done and the claim is for payment from Volvo to the dealer. If they deny it the dealer would have to fix it and resubmit. Nothing would change for the customer as the car is already done and gone.

 

I understand there's a chance of denial, but I would pose it to the customer with transparency. We're going to submit these items to Volvo under warranty, and notate that on the work order. We'll have you sign the work order acknowledging you'll pay for the coolant and plugs if the claim is denied. That's the right way to handle it.

I don't like his dealer.... Gives me the same bad vibes my local one gave me every time I needed something simple fixed when I first bought car. It was a headache....No longer a Volvo Dealer now either. Parted ways with brand.

Whole reason I cut them out of mix and selected dealer 80 miles away instead.

 

I don't really care about the coolant and spark plug cost since the total cost ($400) is the same as what other people are apparently paying. From what I understand they don't really have to give you free parts.

The issue that gives me pause is the PCV valve repair not being covered by the CPO.

But it's not the end of the world if it's not covered since the value of everything that will be covered under CPO is pretty high. Could be worse; I could have had this happen when out of warranty.

 

Breather box should be covered.

 

Only reason I am pointing this stuff out is @S60noob dealer is being extremely shady and is lacking transparency. Taking what he says at face value, it appears they are trying to itemize him for things that are suppose to be covered.

1. PCV (Breather Box)
2. Coolant
3. Spark Plugs

Granted, they are charging him $400 Timing Kit, Coolant, and Plugs. So it works out to the same price I paid....But then we got the PCV box they're throwing in at $400.

I get bad vibes from his dealer...All I'm saying.

 

The PCV should be covered. And if for some reason it isn't, they shouldn't charge labor if doing it with the rings. It comes off when pulling the head.

 

Why would the PCV have been covered? I've read several instances where folks have to spring for that repair first before digging into the typical ring/piston oil consumption issue. Is that not the case?

 

Here's how to post images:

 

I don't know how a picture of the RO will help, it's pretty clear what he is saying.

A 3 second Google search shows the set comes with the tensioner.

 

Embarrassingly I looked up the part numbers and wasn't (and am not) 100% clear what the differences are between what my and MyVolvoS60's cars had replaced.

Volvo VEP Timing Belt Kit - Genuine Volvo 32213096

Volvo VEP Timing Belt Kit - Genuine Volvo 32213096

www.fcpeuro.com

"We've spent years perfecting our catalog with FCP Euro exclusive Timing Belt Kits specific for your car. Our kits include everything you need to complete a timing belt change and are available in both basic kits with idlers and tensioners or more comprehensive kits with water pumps and other components. "

Also, as my username alludes to, I'm a relative noob with car maintenance. Per the fcpeuro link I presume that the "32213096" item has the timing belt, idler, and tensioner but then I'm confused why the "Belt" (31430015) item was included in the report. We're all experts in some things and unfortunately car maintenance isn't one of my pet topics.

I don't know how a picture of the RO will help, it's pretty clear what he is saying.

A 3 second Google search shows the kit comes with the tensioner.

 

The belt is the drive belt, not timing belt. The belt set is the drive belt and drive belt tensioner.
The 3 second comment was meant more for him for trying to make you upload pictures of the repair order for no real reason.

 

The belt is the drive belt, not timing belt. The belt kit is the drive belt and drive belt tensioner.
The 3 second comment was meant more for him for trying to make you upload pictures of the repair order for no real reason.

Oh darn, so I only had the drive belt replaced and not the drive belt tensioner replaced as well?

The dealership didn't replace all the 150k mile items?

 

The timing belt kit has the timing components included (idler and tensioner).

They also replaced your drive belt (AKA serpentine belt) but did not replace its tensioner unless it was charged out separately.

 

Which is why image and notes from work order would be helpful.

With all the hassle the dealer gave him, still seems like they decided shortcuts were in their best interest. Because if they couldn't charge him full price, they weren't going to do it.

 

Oh please. Gimme a break with the images. I know you always have to be right but his question was quite clear... whats what's difference between the belt and belt set. An image of the RO wouldn't answer that.

If you'd have said "the belt is just the drive belt but the belt set includes the tensioner. The tensioner is also available separately, so post a picture of your RO so we can see if it was charged out" then yeah, that would make sense.

But you couldn't discern what he was trying to ask.

 

I defer to your expertise on this one. However, being that his dealer has played multiple games with him, that was the only reason I was asking for the image.

To see a Verbatim write-up of what was done for the whole job and not just the belts.

This is the thread where the dealer tried to nickel-and-dime him on everything and cut corners.

I'm not disputing you here whatsoever.