Pretty bad situation , Volvo should treat you right if they value their brand . 60k the vehicle should still be in great shape not needing this kind of work . Im not a believer in 10k oil changes and never will be , not saying that was the cause but 10k isnt good for anything in my book
2015 V60 Drive-E with bad pistons/rings
It's official. You can add our V60 to the is list. After a hand full of visits to our local dealer, some failed attempts at fixes (second round of new plugs in less than a year, combustion chamber clean, new breather box), and an oil consumption test resulting in over a 1qt loss in in under 500 miles, the service techs and Volvo are recommending replacing the pistons. Unfortunately for me, we are out of warranty at 60k+. We are waiting to hear back this week if Volvo is going to help out with some good will, fingers crossed.
I'm mostly frustrated that I didn't come across this forum a year earlier when we first really started to notice the oil consumption between our 40k service and the first time we brought it in due to a cylinder misfire at 55k, at our neighborhood shop.
To date we have not personally spoken to VCNA. The dealer service has been pretty good, assuming they are actually honest people and you can believe what they are saying to you. They have been communicating with Volvo all along so I have not seen the need to go that rout. The question is whether or not talking to VCNA directly, before even having an answer, is a good idea?
I'm mostly frustrated that I didn't come across this forum a year earlier when we first really started to notice the oil consumption between our 40k service and the first time we brought it in due to a cylinder misfire at 55k, at our neighborhood shop.
To date we have not personally spoken to VCNA. The dealer service has been pretty good, assuming they are actually honest people and you can believe what they are saying to you. They have been communicating with Volvo all along so I have not seen the need to go that rout. The question is whether or not talking to VCNA directly, before even having an answer, is a good idea?
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That is just plain ridiculous to have you spend 500 on a hunch , tell them yeah ok but when it doesn't fix it you want it back . Over 1 quart in 332 miles ? Especially when Volvo knows without a doubt these piston rings are problematic . Another satisfied customer .I just got off the phone with my dealer and apparently Volvo USA told them I need the breather box (and computer reprogramming) because of my oil consumption. I get that this is a step in the established protocol for how Volvo wants to deal with this issue, but I know for a fact with my level of oil consumption, a breather box is not going to fix my problem. It would be like putting a band aid on a 45 cal bullet wound. I would be pissed about the inconvenience of having to bring my car to the dealership, then drive some more, prove I still have the issue, and bring it back again IF I was under warranty. Since I am out of warranty, not only is it a huge inconvenience, they want to charge me $500 for a repair that isn't going to work and that is what I am trying to avoid at the moment.
Anyone know how I can get Volvo to either skip this repair, or guarantee that this is my issue and refund me my $500 when it doesn't fix my oil consumption? Or am I dreaming?
I'm thinking of offering to take the breather box off the car myself, bring it to them, and pay them to look at it and see that there is no way for it to cause my car to BURN over a quart of oil in 332 miles.
So I'm confused you have a powertrain warranty and they are charging you for a PCV valve ? Seems like BSI'm still hoping to have the piston ring job covered by my volvo extended powertrain warranty (not CPO warranty). But since it is a only a powertrain warranty, that is why I am currently sweating the $500 breather box and not the piston ring job.In these cases, it seems to go like this... First, your dealer has to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the rings are stuck ("probably" doesn't cut it). This may take some investiment on your part (try a breather box, maybe have the head pulled). If this is done and your dealer (not you, not an indie) determines that the pistons and rings need to be replaced AND your engine is in the pproper serial number range, you are in a good position to request some good will assistance from the factory.
Skip any of these steps and do not pass Go. Go directly to jail (or at least to a loan officer).
Seems to me they just want to bleed some money from you first then spend Volvo's money . My VW powertrain warranty covers a PCV valve . Which with labor would be around 350 ballpark . They just don't care about repeat customers at allCorrect. It is very limited coverage. It essentially includes engine internals, turbo, and trans-axle.So I'm confused you have a powertrain warranty and they are charging you for a PCV valve ? Seems like BS
As of now I don't have the problem and hope I never do . I asked my dealership what the cost would be and they told me 8k . If that was the case I'd make it a farm vehicle and cut the roof off . LolIt is possible that the warranty company is being straight up at the moment. My issue isn't with them... yet.Seems to me they just want to bleed some money from you first then spend Volvo's money . My VW powertrain warranty covers a PCV valve . Which with labor would be around 350 ballpark . They just don't care about repeat customers at all
1. The powertrain warranty is very limited and I don't see anything related to the PCV listed in the covered items. I guess you could kinda say it is part of the intake manifold, which would be covered, but that's a stretch.
2. Volvo isn't saying that my PCV Breather Box is broken, they are suggesting the replacement as part of a fix for oil consumption issues. That is specifically excluded from my warranty coverage. So I do NOT want to press that issue with the warranty company anyway.
I hope that the dealership didn't call the warranty company to plead the case on the PCV Breather Box. I don't want the warranty company to know anything about my oil consumption issue. When it comes time to get the warranty company to cover the piston rings, I am going to give the service manager specific instructions not to bring up oil consumption. If the warranty company presses him, I will ask him to point to the fact that my defective piston rings have led to multiple issues including failed plugs and coil packs. And that this is a know problem with this new engine that Volvo has acknowledged to the point that after a certain production date, they changed the piston rings and the repair will be done with the new rings.
I completely understand why I am being sent down this route. The technical journals says to replace the breather box, then if that doesn't work, replace the piston rings. The problem lies in the fact that I don't have a little oil consumption and this didn't just start recently. If this weren't a dealership following orders and was a true mechanic doing the diagnosis, they would say... "A breather box is $500 and might work, but probably not. A ring job is $4000 and will surely fix it. Which do you want to do?" All I'm asking is for an objective MECHANIC to look at how silly it is to replace the breather box on my car. I called the main Volvo 800 number because the dealership essentially said they don't argue with the guy they talk to at volvo that makes the repair recommendation. I don't expect this to be resolved to my satisfaction. If I get a chance later today, I am going to ask if the dealership will do the breather box and 80,000 mile service all at once for $750 and hope that they come back with $850 and just take that deal. I want to show the dealership that I am interested in having my car serviced by them, so when it comes time to do the rings, they will fight for me with the warranty company and Volvo USA if necessary. If they won't work with me on this, I am going to plead my case on the breather box, hope for some sort of discount there, and take it to a separate shop for the 80k service (but not tell them). I'm not going to give them the 80k service (which is a rip off at $500+) if they don't work with me.
I would use the buy back to get a Japanese brand . Volvo can make a good diesel truck but can't make a car . They have been putting out junk for 20 years . I wish I did more research before I bought my rattle trap . Ever wonder why you see so few Volvo's on the road ?This might be a case for a possible buyback from volvo and you can get the new S60![]()
LOL yeah my wife loves the seats also , I also blame my wife , she was tired of car shopping and just wanted to go home . Well what are you going to do . I just hope it lasts 2 years then I will tell her now we pay for our mistake and dump it .The S60 is a rare breed. My friends joke with me all the time on my selection and I just blame my wife. A lone S60 in a land dominated by the Japanese. What can we say ? At least we have a comfy seat and a boron steel cage. What's also fun is when first generation S60 2001-2009 owners chime in and say their S60 consumes no oil. See more of those on the road.I would use the buy back to get a Japanese brand . Volvo can make a good diesel truck but can't make a car . They have been putting out junk for 20 years . I wish I did more research before I bought my rattle trap . Ever wonder why you see so few Volvo's on the road ?
You are kidding right ? Atlanta cars lol . Maybe . What makes me laugh is Volvo wants to do self driving cars, Volvo is going to be killing people everywhere driving into buildings and other cars .That's where I bought mine from. At the time, I was looking for 2015 V60s with over 70k miles. There were like 6 in the whole country and 2 were in metro Atlanta. I wonder why. Mine was previously owned by a pharmaceutical company and given to a sales rep that drove... a lot.Volvo's are extremely common in Atlanta. Would never know that they're not a top seller. Audi was much the same here prior to their sales explosion over the last decade.
A guy on the board bought the other one. Mine has bad rings and his had a cracked piston. Stay away from Atlanta cars! lol
So why doesn't Volvo do a tab/recall on all the breather boxes ? Obviously they know there not good .
This is for Tech . So what's your opinion of the OW20 Volvo approved oil ? You see many S60s using it . Not that my opinion matters but I know the flashpoint is quit a bit lower than 0W30 that can't be good when it comes to oil control rings . They get gummed up and oil won't flow into piston . Am I way off base ?
Thanks for the info . I wonder what the parts cost ? Remember when my dealer told me 8k all in . Seems to be somewhat high .Full labor time for customer pay is 20.7 hours to replace pistons and rings according to AllData, if anyone is curious. So that would be what an Indy shop would charge.
Not sure I'd want some indy shop doing this. If you're going to spend all this money and keep the car, might as well get the lifetime warranty. Just my opinion though.
If it were me and had it happen I would go to the dealer . I'm positive if they put a tech on it that's done it before it would turn out better .
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