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Perhaps some due diligence might have been in order. Thanks to advance information that was readily available on this forum and elsewhere, I cancelled my original order for a 2015 V60 Platinum placed back in February and opted to wait three months (by extending my previous lease) and ordered a 2015.5 V60 Platinum when I learned that Sensus would be replaced by Sensus Connect in the new MY. I am nothing if not a sucker for the latest and greatest technology. Of course, the CTA doesn't work worth a damn in my 2015.5 V60. I have been reminded, once again, that "those who live by the cutting edge of technology die by the cutting edge of technology." To which I can only add that Volvo's technology has a rather dull cutting edge. :(
The problem is, Canada is different from USA and none of us had any idea what kind of cars and features we were getting back then.
 
Perhaps some due diligence might have been in order. Thanks to advance information that was readily available on this forum and elsewhere, I cancelled my original order for a 2015 V60 Platinum placed back in February and opted to wait three months (by extending my previous lease) and ordered a 2015.5 V60 Platinum when I learned that Sensus would be replaced by Sensus Connect in the new MY.
Due diligence?

Firstly, I was researching a half-dozen CUV's... RDX, X3, GLK, RX350, Q5, XC60 and even the SRX. For whatever reason I did not find this forum until I had bought the car. I did visit some other Volvo forums... the ones that had "Volvo" in their names, but they did not provide much useful information. I may have stumbled upon a "Swedespeed" URL, but... with apologies to the performance-minded owners on this board... I would not have associated "speed" with Volvo. Saab perhaps, or Husqvarna motorcycles, but most of the Volvo drivers that I know regard the speed limit as the Eleventh Commandment. (And "Sweedspeed" sounds like it's a company doing performance upgrades). But I digress....

You are correct insofar as it was not a secret that there was a new Sensus system for 2015. In a February press release Volvo announced that "With the launch of Sensus Connect, Volvo Car Group (Volvo Cars) reveals an updated on-board infotainment and navigation solutions. Now, Volvo Cars truly offers customers a fully connected experience".

Another press release stated that "From model year 2015, all new Volvo models can be equipped with the updated on-board infotainment and navigation experience Sensus Connect, offering customers a fully connected car".

In any case, I'd been shopping (off and on) for about a year, and had done enough due diligence to know that the onboard navigation system which was included in the 2013 and 2014 Platinum XC60s was dreadful, and indeed I had crossed Volvo off of my shopping list. But then in the early summer I read a review of the 2015 XC60 which praised the new navigation system, and I decided to reconsider Volvo.

When I visited my Volvo dealer in June there were MY15s in the showroom and there were still some MY14s on the lot. I told the salesman that I was considering the purchase of a 2015 in Platinum, because I had read that the navigation system had been much improved over the 2014 version. He did not have a Platinum tester, and he certainly did not inform me of a coming mid-year model change... or that the navigation system in the "2015" models that he was selling had the same navigation system used in the 2013 and 2014 models... nor, for that matter, that the "2015" XC60 that I was about to buy was identical in every respect to a 2014 model.

This was four months after Volvo announced the new cars. I know that we shouldn't take marketing materials seriously, however when Volvo states that "From model year 2015, all new Volvo models can be equipped with the updated on-board infotainment and navigation experience Sensus Connect..." most people would assume that they meant all 2015 models (rather than all 2015 models except the ones that we built in January which are identical to the old 2014 models and which cannot be equipped with the updated on-board... etc.).

Similarly, when Volvo announced that "Now, Volvo Cars truly offers customers a fully connected experience" some people might have interpreted "now" to mean "at the present time". And of course, when they read that "Volvo Cars truly offers customers a fully connected experience" they might have assumed that Volvo Cars was actually offering that experience (when we now know that Volvo had plans to offer the fully connected experience at a future time).

According to the manufacturer's plate the car that I bought in late June... four months after those press releases... was built in January and it is identical to a 2014 car. Indeed the only indication that my car is a "2015" is the vehicle registration, and the dealer could have just as easily told the Ministry of Transport that it was a 2016, or a 2017 model. Given that my car has everything in common with a 2014, and none of the Sensus functionality which Volvo had boasted was available on all 2015 models, it is my opinion that the car that I bought four months ago is, in fact, a 2014. (It is also worth noting that the owners manual gives no indication of the model year, but is copyrighted "2010 - 2013").

So no, it was not a secret that Volvo had a new navigation system for 2015. The "secret" was that notwithstanding Volvo's claim (in February) that it was "now" offering the new Sensus Connect, or that "all" 2015 models could be equipped with it, it would be several months before the new cars would appear in North America. And of course, Volvo did not share the information that until such time as they did appear on dealers' lots Volvo would be selling its 2014 models as 2015s.

How could I not have realized that I was getting a 2014? As noted, no dealer could show me a Platinum demonstrator, and in any case my primary concern was getting a usable navigation system, and I had little interest in using the car as a hotspot to check email or play WoW. I'd read that the new system was substantially better than the old, and it would never have occurred to me that I was about to be scammed. When I picked the car up the salesman gave me a fairly thorough tour of the car's features... and it did have something called "Sensus", although when I asked him to demo the navigation system he claimed that he did not know how it worked. This did not surprise me... notwithstanding that the salesman had been selling Volvos for many years I assumed that I was getting a system which was new to both of us. Of course, in retrospect it occurs to me that he may not have wanted to demonstrate the navigation system because he knew that it was the old system and that it did not work worth a %&$#@.

Due diligence? I recognize that "due diligence" is necessary when doing business with swindlers, fraudsters and incompetents .

So yes, perhaps you're right. Perhaps I ought to have done more due diligence. :rolleyes:
 
The problem is, Canada is different from USA and none of us had any idea what kind of cars and features we were getting back then.
Volvo's Canadian website is just dreadful. There are lots of photos and lots of jargon, but very little information is offered, and apparently some of what is offered is erroneous. For example, they are still offering the old "Sensus Connected Touch" notwithstanding that I was told that Connected Touch was discontinued with the 2014 model year and is no longer available. And they offer no information whatever regarding the newer Sensus Connect.

And yes, features and packaging are different here in many respects. (Canada still offers three AWD T6 trims, and the Tech package is still an option, for example).

In the USA Volvo uses "MY15.5" to distinguish between the old and new cars, but in Canada they are all referred to as "2015". (And I believe that elsewhere in the world they actually are all 2015s, and they all have the new tech).

MY14 was a very short model year, in North America at least, and I assume that Volvo accelerated the "2015" model year designation in North America to emphasize the newness of the T5s (which had been around for a while on the other side of the pond). However, in the absence of the Sensus Connect which had been promised for the 2015 models they perhaps ought to have called the new T5s "MY14.5".
 
Volvo's Canadian website is just dreadful. There are lots of photos and lots of jargon, but very little information is offered, and apparently some of what is offered is erroneous. For example, they are still offering the old "Sensus Connected Touch" notwithstanding that I was told that Connected Touch was discontinued with the 2014 model year and is no longer available. And they offer no information whatever regarding the newer Sensus Connect.

In the USA Volvo uses "MY15.5" to distinguish between the old and new cars, but in Canada they are all referred to as "2015". (And I believe that elsewhere in the world they actually are all 2015s, and they all have the new tech).

MY14 was a very short model year, and I assume that Volvo accelerated the "2015" model year designation in North America to emphasize the newness of the T5s (which had been around for a while on the other side of the pond). However, in the absence of the Sensus Connect which had been promised for the 2015 models they perhaps ought to have called the new T5s "MY14.5".
Pretty much got everything correct there, with the exception of MY15.5 to distinguish the new cars from old cars. I received a flyer from Volvo Villa saying that 2015 needs to be cleared out for 2015.5. Of course, it could be a local dealer thing trying to do what Volvo of Canada refuses to do, but otherwise I completely agree with your opinions. People say I'm a troll on this forum but they just don't seem to understand the frustrations we have.

What dealer did you get the car from though if you don't mind me asking.
 
Any combination within the parameters of the order guide (colors, options, etc).

You cannot deviate by breaking up packages.
If you order OSD you can get some of the individual items that make up a package. You have to look at the price sheet to see what is/is not available. We ordered heated seats without the entire climate package.
 
Probably not news here, but after some actual trip use, I have to say it's probably the worst navigation device I've ever used, going back 10 years even. The clunky interface I can live with, but it cannot navigate you logically, ever. Not even just a quick trip from the mall home. It takes you on a myriad of small winding narrow roads that add time to the route, I would only rely on it if I was totally lost.

My 5 year old Garmin Nuvi with voice control that cost $200 way back then is light years better. It flies through voice commands and even after years of sitting in a drawer I can instantly use it easily. Unlike the Volvo.

I only got the platinum because it was a R design on a lot and had a fat discount on it, making it cost me about the same as a base 2015.5 R design w/o xenons even. I wonder if the 2015.5 is better. The stereo upgrade that comes with a 2015 Platinum is better, but nothing spectacular.

My Garmin fits into a cell phone cradle/mount from Pro Clip quite nicely and a 3 outlet power extension run to the area under the waterfall grill works to hide the cords pretty well. I just pretend I dont' have built-in Nav. Newer model Garmins costing $95 work better than this Volvo abomination.

Volvo would do better to simply provide a 6" hole with a power supply for aftermarket units (rather than the awkward dash top mount they charge nearly $900 for)
Love the ProClips for IPhone and/or Navi!
 
Just moved from a '12 T6 with nav to a '15.5 platinum. Senses Connect has an annoying fog-like effect on the 3D map view which obscures the top of the map. Does anyone know how to disable it? It's more pronounced in the dark color scheme.

Also, it no longer recognizes my USB hub. On the '12 (Sensus 3) the media player had a "Select USB device" menu option that is not appearing now. Is my hub no longer supported or does this apply to all hubs?

On the plus side, the media player now can play some VBR MP3 files from the Amazon music store that Sensus 3 would choke on.
 
BINGO! Waze is awesome! It finds rural addresses and really new subdivisions that other nav systems don't even have yet. And the crowd sourced traffic / accident / police infomation has been spot on!

I barely use the NAV on my 14 for a lot of the reasons you've listed. Why they don't have a touch screen based system is also baffling in 2014!

Waze app with crowd sourced traffic info is light years better than any onboard NAV (save Audi with the latest google maps based systems) and is free. I guess the appeal of the upcoming Car Play will be that you can use whatever NAV app you like and it will be on the screen vs. needing to use the phone itself.
 
Hmm, I'm a bit disappointed now with a general consensus that the nav option doesn't meet general expectations. I don't use any navigational aids, however, I will employ them if traveling somewhere I've never been and its off the beaten path.

I'm ok if it takes me on a longer route if the outcome is arriving at my destination without frustration.

Something I've learned over the many years of developing technology... don't put too much faith in it. I still rely on the fatty tissue in my head, I think that keeps the mad-cow away.

EDIT : Oh the irony... forgot I changed my sig yesterday :rolleyes:
 
I'm ok if it takes me on a longer route if the outcome is arriving at my destination without frustration.
Well, here is where the crowd-sourcing of Waze kicks in. I use it virtually always, even on my way to work (a trip that I have taken daily for 40 years). Recently when heading to work Waze sent me on a route that was ten minutes longer than my usual. I trusted Waze. A colleague who uses my usual route (but does not use Waze) was a half-hour late due congestion resulting form the route being blocked by an accident. THAT'S frustration.
 
Well, here is where the crowd-sourcing of Waze kicks in. I use it virtually always, even on my way to work (a trip that I have taken daily for 40 years). Recently when heading to work Waze sent me on a route that was ten minutes longer than my usual. I trusted Waze. A colleague who uses my usual route (but does not use Waze) was a half-hour late due congestion resulting form the route being blocked by an accident. THAT'S frustration.
Now isn't that what the Sensus Connect (on MY2015.5) is supposed to do? I'm guessing it doesn't?
 
Also, it no longer recognizes my USB hub. On the '12 (Sensus 3) the media player had a "Select USB device" menu option that is not appearing now. Is my hub no longer supported or does this apply to all hubs?
Can you connect a thumb drive directly (and have it work)?
 
I'm using the iPhone navigation. I don't like the look of the Navigation system either. And you can't easily (or at least I can't easily -- i.e. intuitively -- go between an overall view and a more detailed view of a route or routes -- in fact, I still can't figure out how to distinguish between alternate routes when point A to B is a few hundred miles. I also think all those icons that list Starbucks or Burger King or Fast-food joints are ridiculous. I'm wondering if there is a way to disable this. I agree with other posts above that the whole thing is kinda "chunky" looking.
 
I'm using the iPhone navigation. I don't like the look of the Navigation system either. And you can't easily (or at least I can't easily -- i.e. intuitively -- go between an overall view and a more detailed view of a route or routes -- in fact, I still can't figure out how to distinguish between alternate routes when point A to B is a few hundred miles. I also think all those icons that list Starbucks or Burger King or Fast-food joints are ridiculous. I'm wondering if there is a way to disable this. I agree with other posts above that the whole thing is kinda "chunky" looking.
Of course you can disable Points of Interest (POI). While in the Navigation screen, press the Menu (OK) button --> Map Options and then from there you can customize the way your POI Symbols are displayed on the screen.
 
phone much easier to use just use the maps as a visual
Another advantage of the phone is that my Calendar is on my phone, so my Nav app can just look at the calendar and it knows where to route me to automatically...
Oh and Waze also reports Police speed traps... :D
 
Thanks PureDrive!
You're welcome, by default everything is checked, but in reality you probably only need like 4-5 POI checked; I normally only check emergency services and gas stations.
 
On the subject of navigation .. has anyone been able to get the traffic on a 2015.5 to work? Regardless of where I am it says that it is not available in this area. I see that there is a provider option but I do not see a way to change it. On a related note, my Garmin receives traffic updates without a problem.
 
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