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2015.5 XC60 T6 Burning a Quart of Oil Every Two Months

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#1 ·
I'm assuming the piston rings-- thoughts on repair vs. trading it in?

Currently sitting at 84,000 mi

It started needing a quart 3 every 6 months about 2 year ago, obviously that has accelerated. I'll have to check on the mileage between intervals but it isn't excessive.

Really bummed, love this car and wasn't ready to upgrade my wife to the newer generation XC60 or 90 yet.
 
#2 ·
Sure, you could always have the rings replaced but that's sunk money at that point that you'll never get back when you sell it. But if you really like the car and can stomach spending $6k on it then go for it. I'd probably trade the car and get something newer.
 
#3 ·
Yeah - that's the reality I didn't want to face.

It was the perfect spec when I bought it. Red, R-Design, Polestar tuned. I think it has every option but rear booster seats.

Thinking I'll probably go for 16+ XC90 this time as long as my wife doesn't complain about the size. Seem to be better value right now that the 18+ XC60s
 
#5 · (Edited)
Sorry to hear that. Has your PCV trap ever been replaced? Some folks swear by BG 44K which might be worth a try although I have no experience with it.

A friend's 2013 XC60 T6 started asking for oil around 115K. She fed it oil when it asked (prob close to the same rate you've indicated) and did get the PCV trap replaced around 140K -150K which had little to moderate effect on oil consumption. She kept her XC60 until trading just this past summer with either 160K or 170K.

My 2013 XC60 T6 asked for oil the first time at 128K this past spring. I was about 9K on the oil change since I was adhering to the 10K OCI in my owner's manual. I replaced my PCV trap preemptively around 115K and now have almost 135K. Since I only put 8500 miles or per year on my XC60, I'm planning on just changing the oil once per year, adding oil when it asks, and running it into the ground.

Seems like these T6s start burning oil eventually but they keep chugging along anyway.

It was the perfect spec when I bought it. Red, R-Design, Polestar tuned. I think it has every option but rear booster seats.
Wow. That's the ideal spec if I were to have my pick of the litter. It may be worth more than you think? I was shocked at what this one sold for. I wouldn't have paid that much.

2016 Volvo XC60 T6 AWD R-Design Platinum for Sale - Cars & Bids (carsandbids.com)
 
#7 ·
Crazy, right? I think your passion red would be worth more than the black too.

I wasn't suggesting that you auction it, but rather bring the value up in the context of getting it repaired. It's a little bit of a different story when you are considering sinking $6K into a $10K vehicle vs a $20K vehicle.
 
#8 ·
Hello Cully,

I see that you bought the car with about 48K on it back in late 2018 according to some of your original posts here, and have put about 36K on it since then. By my calculations, what you meant to say is that your car used to burn about 1 qt per 3600 miles and is now burning about 1 qt per 1200 miles. Oil consumption has tripled since you took ownership of the car. While I do enjoy puzzles and investigation and intrigue, why not just say that in the first place? (how is someone going to know how many miles you drive per month?)

All engines will eventually burn oil if they don't experience some other catastrophic failure first. I believe that the variability in oil consumption on-set and how rapidly it increases is sometimes related to the oil maintenance that the engine receives through its life. Some engines will burn oil regardless of maintenance by design or by defect or some combination of both.

My S60 T6 has about 146K miles and doesn't burn oil by any meaningful measure (can easily go 5K intervals with no make-up oil). The family that owned the car before me were meticulous maintainers who changed fluids often and used only top shelf products. I believe that their dedication to the maintenance may have contributed to the low oil consumption on this car. I also believe that the previous owners were the type of drivers who probably enjoyed manual shift mode often, and probably did more engine braking than average joe.

If you don't mind me asking, how often do you change the oil and what oil are you using in your car? How often do you manually down-shift and engine-brake the vehicle to hold speed on long hills or just to slow down? I don't think any of us want to triple our oil consumption in the next 36K miles so please tell us all what not to do ;)

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If it were my car I would make a solid effort to clean out the engine without opening it up and see if that helps. There are lots of ways to do this with various degrees of speed and risk levels. I would do a "flush" followed by a short OCI with 0w20 with a qt of mmo or, going easy on the engine and lots of engine braking, followed by probably an ARX treatment, again with plenty of engine braking.

It doesn't make sense to me to give up on the car and try to trade the "problem" away. You have a rare and very desirable car. If I had that thing I would absolutely keep it! I would much rather sort out the problems on the SI6, which is a very cool "classic" (preDI) engine that you could probably keep on the road till 2036 at our rate of use. What if you're a few engine flushes away from getting down to a more reasonable 1qt/3000 miles or so?
 
#9 ·
I see that you bought the car with about 48K on it back in late 2018 according to some of your original posts here, and have put about 36K on it since then. By my calculations, what you meant to say is that your car used to burn about 1 qt per 3600 miles and is now burning about 1 qt per 1200 miles. Oil consumption has tripled since you took ownership of the car. While I do enjoy puzzles and investigation and intrigue, why not just say that in the first place? (how is someone going to know how many miles you drive per month?)
Thanks Allan-- I appreciate the breakdown, but unfortunately it's not quite that easy; as with a lot of folks during the pandemic, it was only driven often enough to keep it from sitting. So it's not that I didn't want to give people accurate mileage, it's that I'd likely need to go back and see what my mileage was in late 2021/early 2022 when our lives returned to more normalcy.

I only have taken it to the dealership for oil changes, full-synthetic since my ownership, on recommended intervals.

I had an oil consumption test performed somewhere around 70K miles after the first time I received a low oil warning. The dealership said the results were negligible but after about 6 months as stated, the oil was nearing low-level again.

I'll do some number crunching and try to publish a better calculation here. I do not often use the manual shift/engine breaking very often. My wife, never. It's her primary vehicle, but if we're together I drive. My primary is a standard transmission, and the tap shift just isn't the same :)

Believe me-- I would love nothing more than to not have to get rid of it. I have always wanted to be a volvo owner and this vehicle is damn near perfect in what I want for a DD/family hauler. On top of that, I have my eye on a new C8 or similarly priced sports car... so I really didn't want to blow part of my budget on a new family car, ha.

As an auto enthusiast, we have always kept up on the maintenance. Again, not much use of the manual shifting, but I have never had an automatic use oil at this rate.
 
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Thanks Allan-- I appreciate the breakdown, but unfortunately it's not quite that easy; as with a lot of folks during the pandemic, it was only driven often enough to keep it from sitting. So it's not that I didn't want to give people accurate mileage, it's that I'd likely need to go back and see what my mileage was in late 2021/early 2022 when our lives returned to more normalcy.
ah! well.. perhaps the consumption isn't as bad as my calculation then if you're driving more than that in 2 months these days.

I forget that so many people stopped driving during the pandemic. Nothing really change for my Wife and I... "essential" (lol)

I only have taken it to the dealership for oil changes, full-synthetic since my ownership, on recommended intervals.
Hypothesis: The dealership uses cheap bulk synthetic 5w30 API SN oil for most oil change services where 5w30 is specified.

Rationale: 10K OCI's in turbo engines is asking a lot from oil. I've read a lot of "rumors" (shop techs posting stuff on BITOG and other forums) that USA dealers often just buy the cheapest semi-syn or full-syn API spec bulk oil they can get their hands on and use it in almost everything. I know that the bulk oil used at our local Volvo dealer for many years was a semi-synthetic "no-name" oil provided through a local bulk lube and fuel supplier. Where "full synthetic" is claimed, these will generally be group III base stocks with viscosity modifiers and a starting TBN ~6. There's nothing wrong with any of these less expensive oils if used at appropriate intervals in appropriate applications, but I don't believe these oils, especially in 5w30 weight, are appropriate for 10K intervals in a 115HP/L turbo crossover. (10w30 would fair a lot better if climate allows). These cheaper oils achieve 5w30 viscosity range by starting with a thin base stock to hit the 5w rating cold, and polymer additives (viscosity modifiers) to hit the 30 weight viscosity target at 100C. These polymers break down when worked hard and long in high power density engines. When those polymers break down, they leave behind sludge and gunk in the worst possible places, like ring packs and turbo bearings, and the oil left behind without its polymers gets thinner and thinner at operating temps... It's a compounding effect of the polymers gunking up the rings/bearings and the thinner remaining oil blowing right by the rings that are no longer seating properly. It wouldn't surprise me if the 10K intervals with this type of oil would lead to an oil burning engine pretty rapidly.

Is there any indication on your receipts/records that they used the A5/B5 spec oil that this engine calls for? These oils will be formulated from a higher grade base stock that achieves its viscosity range with fewer viscosity modifiers, so it doesn't leave behind as much mess, stays in grade, and has appropriate starting TBN for an extended drain interval (>8 for At/B5, >10 for A3/B4).

As a totally separate matter, I also wonder about what WEIGHT oil was put in the car by the dealer. I can see how it would be confusing for a floor technician being told to put 5w20 weight in some XC60 T6's, and 5w30 weight in others. They could get that confused in the mess of many cars passing through every day for oil changes. The "T6" badge can be found on both the newer 4 cylinder DI engines and the older 6 cylinder port injected engines. That said, I'm not sure how the SI6 would react to 5w20 for a long term OCI. I would happily run a 5w20 in it for short OCIs driven gently for the purpose of attempting to clean out rings and such but probably not more than 1-2K miles.

I had an oil consumption test performed somewhere around 70K miles after the first time I received a low oil warning. The dealership said the results were negligible but after about 6 months as stated, the oil was nearing low-level again.
"low oil warning?"

Sorry to tell you this: The only "low oil warning" system included in a 2015 XC60 T6, is the operator/owner performing routine oil level checking using the dip stick as is described in the manual for this car. In fact, it recommends checking it at every fuel fill, which, when you buy a used car, is something you should always do for the first 5-10K miles to get a feel for baseline consumption rates.

The only light on your dash about oil, is the "LOW OIL PRESSURE" light. It's shaped like a little genie lamp, because at this point, you should probably make a wish. This is known formally among gearheads as the "change engine" light. If you have seen this light during normal operation of the vehicle, then your engine has been operated with VERY LOW oil levels, so low that the small amount remaining will certainly have been cooked pretty good, probably making a bit of a mess. In most engines, this light won't come on until the oil level is well below half of the sump capacity. If its any consolation, I've seen this light a few times in my life too, it happens.... but when it does, it's important to react with some efforts to "clean up" the mess that would have been left behind by the low oil conditions leading up to that point.

I'll do some number crunching and try to publish a better calculation here. I do not often use the manual shift/engine breaking very often. My wife, never. It's her primary vehicle, but if we're together I drive. My primary is a standard transmission, and the tap shift just isn't the same :)
Auto's are nice for relaxed driving, and can be easier on engines in some ways, but the lack of routine engine braking leads to ring gunking problems for some engines. This was a very common problem in Cadillac's with big V8's driven by seasoned citizens at leisurely speeds all the time. Some engines develop a bad reputation because of how they are used....

Believe me-- I would love nothing more than to not have to get rid of it. I have always wanted to be a volvo owner and this vehicle is damn near perfect in what I want for a DD/family hauler. On top of that, I have my eye on a new C8 or similarly priced sports car... so I really didn't want to blow part of my budget on a new family car, ha.

As an auto enthusiast, we have always kept up on the maintenance. Again, not much use of the manual shifting, but I have never had an automatic use oil at this rate.
Have you ever done 10K mile OCI's on a turbo using bargain basement bulk oil? ;)
 
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I cannot identify a leak anywhere, and the ground where it is parked is bone dry.

I need to call the dealer tomorrow to get some mileage anyway to estimate for insurance quotes anyway, so I’ll get some numbers in here soon.

Primarily city driving, year round in the Chicago area. Occasional highway use and 3-4 six-hour road trips per year.
 
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Did you remove the belly pan under the engine? Trust me it can hold a LOT of oil (shocking amount, like a sponge). Get under there with car on ramps and take a look up into the turbo area and see if you see drips on the turbo connections anywhere.

FWIW, mine goes through (unsure it's burning or leaking somewhere) a quart every oil change. I wouldn't worry about it unless it seems to be accelerating in use.
 
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Update!
The service manager at McGrath confirmed that only the 5cyl's have the extended 100k warranty on piston rings. He feels it's more likely the turbo eating oil.

Ran the numbers and I'm adding a quart every 2,100 miles...

Turbo replacement ~$3k...
When turbos burn oil they BILLOW blue smoke. You need to find a new service manager. That one has NO Clue.
 
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A Volvo is like an addict -- it will find a way to get the 'good stuff' (5W30) wherever it can. Turbo, PCV, piston rings, etc. A small price to pay for the rest of the car's attributes ... but annoying nonetheless. If you don't know for certain what's causing the oil use, as @2011C70 says, it's not worth dumping thousands of $$ into. I would love to put oil into my car only every 2000 miles!! I'm in the 300-500 mile range with my 5cyl.
 
owns 2012 Volvo XC70 T6 Platinum
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He "feels" like??? Hmmm? I wouldn't touch it. A quart per 2k miles and you already have 84k on her is nothing. $3000 / by $6 = 500 quarts. 500 Q x 2000miles per Q = 1,000,000 miles :cool:
I like this math, haha.

A Volvo is like an addict -- it will find a way to get the 'good stuff' (5W30) wherever it can. Turbo, PCV, piston rings, etc. A small price to pay for the rest of the car's attributes ... but annoying nonetheless. If you don't know for certain what's causing the oil use, as @2011C70 says, it's not worth dumping thousands of $$ into. I would love to put oil into my car only every 2000 miles!! I'm in the 300-500 mile range with my 5cyl.
I haven't noticed any smoking from the exhaust yet... soooooo.... 🙃
 
#24 ·
Yeah, keep it topped up and keep driving. No need for any drastic action at that rate of oil consumption.
 
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#25 ·
Worst case scenario you need a catalytic converter at like 200,000mi right?
 
owns 2012 Volvo XC70 T6 Platinum
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Talk to your dealer about TJ30021 .. This tech journal covers all 3.2 and 3.0T motors from 2011-2016 .. In short, It prescribes the dealer to follow an oil consumption test, if that test fails, the dealer is instructed to reflash the ECU and replace the oil dipstick with a new red topped unit.. oil capacity is also increased by aprox 1 quart ..
No this does not fix the reason for the oil loss.. however it does help prevent you from running low on oil between oil change intervals.. My T6 consumes aprox 1 quart every 5000 miles, It has been like that for the last 75,000 miles and now has aprox 165,000 miles on it.. I have had no issues running the increased capacity... a sticker and owners manual page with the new capacities are also provided so there is no confusion in capacities
 
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Does the ECU reflash change the low-oil warning threshold, or are there engine behavior modifications that somehow alleviate consumption?
 
owns 2012 Volvo XC70 T6 Platinum
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When turbos burn oil they BILLOW blue smoke. You need to find a new service manager. That one has NO Clue.
To be fair, I have not taken it in for diagnosis-- nor do I really want to. Ideally, I'd prefer to keep driving it. But if I were to upgrade I would rather sell it with a disclosed consumption issue rather throwing cash at it in the hopes it improves.

Talk to your dealer about TJ30021 .. This tech journal covers all 3.2 and 3.0T motors from 2011-2016 .. In short, It prescribes the dealer to follow an oil consumption test, if that test fails, the dealer is instructed to reflash the ECU and replace the oil dipstick with a new red topped unit.. oil capacity is also increased by aprox 1 quart ..
No this does not fix the reason for the oil loss.. however it does help prevent you from running low on oil between oil change intervals.. My T6 consumes aprox 1 quart every 5000 miles, It has been like that for the last 75,000 miles and now has aprox 165,000 miles on it.. I have had no issues running the increased capacity... a sticker and owners manual page with the new capacities are also provided so there is no confusion in capacities
Interesting, thanks for the tip. Although now that I know the frequency, I'm not too worried about running low as I'll continually monitor it and keep it near the top of the acceptable range.

What do you attribute your consumption to then? The Tech said that Volvo says 1 quart per 5k is acceptable, but obviously I'm at more than that right now.
 
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What do you attribute your consumption to then? The Tech said that Volvo says 1 quart per 5k is acceptable, but obviously I'm at more than that right now.
Partially stuck/clogged rings that may be able to be freed up a little with a product like Liqui Moly Engine Flush or Berryman's. It may or may not reduce your consumption but it's pretty easy for a DIY person to try for pretty inexpensive $20 or $30 just before your next oil change (or right now). Many of us have had success with either of these products with the SI6 and five-cylinder motors. The other, more expensive fix is the PCV box, around $200. A malfunctioning PCV will cause oil burning. At this point burning a quart every 2k miles is still acceptable in Volvo's eyes.
 
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Thanks Wayne!

Also, apparently they already performed the service bulletin-- I have a red-topped dipstick. I couldn't recall from two days ago because I wasn't thinking about the color of the dispstick, ha. I don't know if this was done prior to my purchase, or maybe more likely when I had the dealer perform the consumption test.
 
#32 ·
You need to confirm that whomever was doing your oil changes has been adding the revised ammount of oil during those changes .. the revised dipstick now has about 2 quarts between the min and full lines (there are 8 hashmarks vs 4).. If you have always had the redtopped dipstick and the engine is consuming enough oil between oil changes to trigger the low oil level light, then that would definitely be an awful ammount of oil to lose between intervals..
 
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have 2015 XC60 T6; at 50 months and 49k miles I was using a quart every 2000 miles; took it in to a dealer, they kept it for a week; gave it back to me with a red dipstick; asked the service mgr. what was up and he said the updated the software and added the red dipstick; he didn't know or would not tell me the significance of the red dipstick. No charge, good will from Volvo North America. Have asked around and gotten different answers on the red dipstick; fast forward to last summer, 115k miles and starts using oil again. Did some research and added Liqui Moli 20206 oil additive. So far no leaking after two oil changes and 10k miles.
 
#35 ·
LOL!

Honestly I bet this is what happened to me during my consumption test, but then I would not be surprised if on future oil changes they didn't add the extra oil so that's why it seemed like the problem was getting worse.

Thanks for the tip and at least good to know others have gone through this...
 
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The videos should apply to your car.

Regardless, find a local Porsche Indie and purchase enough Swepco 306 for an oil change. Also, add one pint of the Swepo 502. I use to use this exclusively besides for reducing oil consumption on a few problematic cars. Cleans as well as reverse some of the damage done. Yes, reverse see Summit Racing link. The additives and DIMONYL®, SWEPCO’s proprietary anti-wear additive plus ZDDP gives this oil great synergy yielding a high TBN. Change the oil and add the 502, then replace the filter only at 200 miles and 500 miles, be sure to top off. Swepco provides their own Blackstone to anyone who uses their products. Could still be free, I use to pay $20 for the kit to send samples, good for for 4 tests.
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"ZDDP is heat activated. Moving parts inside the engine create friction and heat. When this happens, the chemicals in ZDDP break down and create a “tribofilm.” This thin layer bonds to the metal surface and protects it from wear.
ZDDP is most beneficial to the camshaft and valve train parts. However, it is also good for the cylinder walls, piston rings, bearings, and rotating assembly."
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Long drain service up to 100,000 miles or 600 hours with LOA Program. This is on big rigs and heavy industrial equipment. Chevron, UPS, United and Coast Guard are just few of the major customers.
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