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2 things I noticed and did not care for...side mirrors are now as cheesy as every other european with the turn signals in them; front grill badge is too darn big!!! What is this...a VW?!
 

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Re: 2007 S60 (Sue Esponte)

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That's still not an R and there was another thread on this the other day. Everything points to the R still having its current bi-xenons, not projectors from the base car. -Eric

I still say that's just silly. Why would Volvo deny it's "halo" model the best headlights in the parts bin?
 

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Re: 2007 S60 (ljjones)

So sure it's silly?

Volvo changed the '05 S60 headlights but left the R's alone (wipers and all). And, since when is a halogen projector deemed higher eschelon than a set of bi-xenons?

The front end of the R is unique among its S60 brethren and its a low volume model. Why invest capital into retooling costs when it won't have any noticeable impact on sales? The entire bumper for the R would have to be updated just to simply remove the wiper assembly and replace it with high pressure washers. Design modifications cost money that won't be recouped in the R, whereas they should be recouped in the higher volume models (for example, modify a 2.5T bumper and you've modified everything in the S60 line-up except the R). And, these changes are more or less deemed necessary to keep their aging bread and butter product competitive against newly released models from other manufacturers. If Volvo felt like they had to retool the current R in order to maintain sales through the final years of the P2 S60, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd instead opt to phase it out until the new model is released.

-Eric
 

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Re: 2007 S60 (Sue Esponte)

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So sure it's silly? ... -Eric

Yeah Eric, I've thought the R's headlight system was silly since '04. They should have just included the halogens for high beams from the start. I know US regs may have forced their hand, but it's still a silly solution. In this case halogen would be higher echelon ... whether projectors or not.

Every time they have a minor or major face-lift to the P2 line, they miss another opportunity to correct this silliness in the R. The re-tooling cost is the price they pay for not getting it right the first time.


And the cost of retrofitting the Euro lights is the price we pay to set it right.
 

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Re: 2007 S60 (ljjones)

LOL I think we're saying the exact thing! I completely agree with you that the lighting system is silly.

However, the problem isn't that they're bi-xenons. The problem is that Volvo removed the 2nd beam in the US to make it a DRL (my guess, for consumer insurance purposes - since most insurance companies give a discount for DRLs), whereas there are 2 distinct beams in the European market lamp. The bi-xenons in Europe work properly and provide appropriate lighting. All Volvo really needed to do is give us the European bi-xenons and either kill the separate DRL (screw the insurers) or run the low beam permanently as a DRL (and give people the option of turning it off through VIDA).

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Re: 2007 S60 (Sue Esponte)

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...All Volvo really needed to do is give us the European bi-xenons and either kill the separate DRL (screw the insurers) or run the low beam permanently as a DRL (and give people the option of turning it off through VIDA). -Eric

I totally, Totally agree. I keep hoping they will do that for '07 (although it's probably too late now). If there are additional issues with DOT certification just reduce the wattage, or whatever is necessary, to get them into the US. Then all we would have to do is change a couple of halogen bulbs (and maybe a little s'ware d'load) to get Euro-spec performance ... instead of swapping out entire headlight assemblies.


Still kind of a silly dance to have to go through, but a much better solution IMHO.
 

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Re: 2007 S60 (Sue Esponte)

" Volvo removed the 2nd beam in the US to make it a DRL (my guess, for consumer insurance purposes - since most insurance companies give a discount for DRLs), whereas there are 2 distinct beams in the European market lamp."

but all the Volvos in Sweden had DRLs; have to confess I didn't look closely to see how they did it; but why give the US R this orphan system?
 

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Re: 2007 S60 (willyjp)

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...all the Volvos in Sweden had DRLs ... why give the US R this orphan system?

Someone here said it was an excessive total candlepower issue with the DOT. Couldn't that have been fixed by just using a dimmer bulb??


...looking for a pun here involving the swedish engineer responsible.
 

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Re: 2007 S60 (ljjones)

I think it was a 'dimmer bulb' who developed this solution for the US market...

Quote, originally posted by ljjones »


Someone here said it was an excessive total candlepower issue with the DOT. Couldn't that have been fixed by just using a dimmer bulb??
 
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