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Ok, I know Suburu doesn't have the "status" of a Volvo, but this is the closest AWD competitor I've ever seen to an S60R. (A4 3.0 Quattro and 330xi are a bit underpowered and more expensive). <p>But this is one sharp 4 door...<p><A HREF="http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=10775" TARGET="_blank">Car and Driver Article</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/2006/Q1/030920061503495438.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/2006/Q1/030920061524113077.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/2006/Q1/030920061524126581.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/2006/Q1/030920061524137377.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Red Atacama?? Does that console look familiar?? Heico/Takspeed pedals??<p><IMG SRC="http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/2006/Q1/030920061524120104.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>It is a little quicker below 70mph than the R as well, and about 6K+ cheaper. But VERY similar cars, although not as sporty looking, but it does have really nice wheels. No color choices though, that silver with that interior.<p><I>Compared with the base 2.5GT, the spec.B’s skidpad grip is up 0.06 g to 0.87, and its stopping distance from 70 mph is 177 feet, better by 19. Not surprisingly, straight-line results from the last Legacy GT we tested were within a few 10ths of the spec.B: <B>0 to 60 in 5.3 seconds and the quarter-mile in 14.0 seconds</B>.</I><p><B>Suburu Legacy 2.5GT Spec.B</B><br>Vehicle type: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan<br>Price as tested: $34,620 (base price: $34,620)<br>Engine type: turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve flat-4, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection<br>Displacement: 150 cu in, 2457cc<br>Power (SAE net): 250 bhp @ 6000 rpm<br>Torque (SAE net): 250 lb-ft @ 3600 rpm<p>Transmission: 5-speed manual<br>Wheelbase: 105.1 in<br>Length/width/height: 186.2/68.1/56.5 in<br>Rear Legroom: 33.9 in<br>Curb weight: 3391 lb<p>Zero to 60 mph: 5.3 sec<br>Zero to 100 mph: 14.6 sec<br>Zero to 130 mph: 30.1 sec<br>Street start, 5–60 mph: 6.8 sec<br>Standing ¼-mile: 14.0 sec @ 98 mph<br>Top speed (governor limited): 137 mph<br>Braking, 70–0 mph: 177 ft<br>Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g<br>EPA fuel economy, city driving: 20 mpg<br>C/D-observed fuel economy: 20 mpg<p><B>VOLVO S60R AWD</B><br>Vehicle type: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger,4-door sedan<br>Price as tested: $41,550 (base Volvo S60R $37,510)<br>ENGINE Type: turbocharged and intercooled 5-in-line, aluminum block and head<br>Displacement: 154 cu in, 2521cc<br>Power (SAE net): 300 bhp @ 5500 rpm<br>Torque (SAE net): 295 lb-ft @ 1950 rpm<p>Transmission: 6-speed manual<br>Wheelbase: 107.0 in<br>Length/width/height: 181.3/71.0/55.0 in<br>Rear Legroom: 33.3 in<br>Curb weight: 3717 lb<p>Zero to <br>60 mph: 5.5<br>100 mph: 13.9<br>130 mph: 25.6<br>Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.5<br>Standing 1/4-mile: 14.0 sec @ 101 mph<br>Top speed (governor limited): 148 mph<br>BRAKING 70-0 mph: 168 ft<br>Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g<br>EPA city driving: 18 mpg<br>C/D-observed: 20 mpg
 

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Re: 2006 Suburu Legacy 2.5GT Spec.B vs. S60R ("R" Kelly)

MotorWeek TV recently had a segment on the Legacy Spec B. I don't know much about Subies but the "Spec B" but it seemed to be more of a cosmetic upgrade than a performance package, no?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><snip><br><B>VOLVO S60R AWD</B><br>Zero to <br>60 mph: 5.5<br>100 mph: 13.9<br>130 mph: 25.6<br>Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.5<br>Standing 1/4-mile: 14.0 sec @ 101 mph<br><B>Top speed (governor limited): 148 mph</B><br>BRAKING 70-0 mph: 168 ft<br>Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g<br>EPA city driving: 18 mpg<br>C/D-observed: 20 mpg</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Since when is the R limited to only 148 MPH? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: 2006 Suburu Legacy 2.5GT Spec.B vs. S60R (bschurr)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bschurr</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">MotorWeek TV recently had a segment on the Legacy Spec B. I don't know much about Subies but the "Spec B" but it seemed to be more of a cosmetic upgrade than a performance package, no?</TD></TR></TABLE><p><I>Subaru swapped the front-strut setup in favor of the WRX STI’s inverted struts, stiffened the shocks and springs all around, and added handsome 18-inch wheels with wider Bridgestone Potenza RE050A summer tires (replacing the base 2.5GT’s 17-inchers that use all-season rubber).</I><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bschurr</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Since when is the R limited to only 148 MPH? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Could be speedometer error, C&D GPS VBox would show true speed at rev limit... who knows???
 

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Re: 2006 Suburu Legacy 2.5GT Spec.B vs. S60R ("R" Kelly)

Subaru builds a good car, I know a couple of people who bought them new in 2001 and they have never been back to the dealer. All scheduled maint was done by the owners. Having owned mine now for a bit I gotta say it's also the easiest oil change of any car I've worked on yet too.
 

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Re: 2006 Suburu Legacy 2.5GT Spec.B vs. S60R ("R" Kelly)

The 2007 SpecB will also get the STi 6speed transmission and a few other features such as memory driver's seating, HIDs, and a new interior styling which will be black leather with blue altantara areas.
 

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Re: 2006 Suburu Legacy 2.5GT Spec.B vs. S60R ("R" Kelly)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Power (SAE net): 250 bhp @ 6000 rpm<br>Torque (SAE net): 250 lb-ft @ 3600 rpm<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>How do you spell turbo LAG? S U B A R U... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yannis
 

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Re: 2006 Suburu Legacy 2.5GT Spec.B vs. S60R (GrecianVolvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How do you spell turbo LAG? S U B A R U... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Yannis</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ok, but at 5.3 secs it is quicker to 60 mph than C&Ds mythical 5.5secs for the R, so it must have one hell of a punch when boost finally arrives.<p>And I don't believe for a second that there is 295 lb ft at 1950 rpm on the R. Doesn't feel like there is that much torque until 3500, so I think Suburu is just being more honest.<p>Now I love my R, (I assume you all can tell), but the Spec.B is is quite a car, although C&D said it wasn't as sporty as they were hoping. Spec B and Mazdaspeed6 are establishing a good low end to the AWD near luxury sport sedan market.
 

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Re: 2006 Suburu Legacy 2.5GT Spec.B vs. S60R ("R" Kelly)

It's not nearly as sexy or stylish as the <I>R</I>'s we own and love but a pretty nice car, if you like Subaru, that is <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I'll guess it's AWD system is probably better than the first gen Haldex and probably still better than the MY06 2nd gen Haldex. I think the Subaru is full-time AWD and if so probably helps getting it off the line (easier for the average driver to launch if he's not encombured by AWD bog) and one reason she beats the <I>R</I> 0-60. (but then again, I'm going on speculation and not any particular fact).<p>LTA<br>
 

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Re: 2006 Suburu Legacy 2.5GT Spec.B vs. S60R (GrecianVolvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How do you spell turbo LAG? S U B A R U... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yannis</TD></TR></TABLE><p>As apposed to Volvo who lies bold faced to you and tells us that we have 295ft/lbs available at 1900 in stock trim..... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: 2006 Suburu Legacy 2.5GT Spec.B vs. S60R ("R" Kelly)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now I love my R, (I assume you all can tell), but the Spec.B is is quite a car, although C&D said it wasn't as sporty as they were hoping. Spec B and Mazdaspeed6 are establishing a good low end to the AWD near luxury sport sedan market. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>And only 500 spec B's are built so you get a nice plaque showing your pecking order of the lot. I agree that it is a nice package but I would prefer a bit more engine beef over the standard GT for the "limited edition".<p>At $34K, Subaru is playing a bit out of its price range IMO. Considering the discounting that is done on the standard GT, I can't see justifying the price for a better suspension and bigger wheels (with summer only tires as well). If I was buying a Subie (and I almost did before the R), the GT Ltd is a better deal since you can probably buy one in the $25K-$26K range versus a "non discounted" Spec B.<p>The other thing that bothers me with the Subie is the small trunk (11.9 cubic feet I think) and lack of fold down rear seats (not even an option). You would also think that most automakers would learn to put the trunk hinges outside of the storage area and save the space.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by MagoonR at 12:04 PM 3-25-2006</i>
 

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oh and the MY07 will have split folding rear seats.<p>I totally agree about the price though. Even for the MY07 with all its improvements/additions, I still find it hard to see it worth more than $32k, especially with no engine performance changes over a LegacyGT. Kick it up to 280hp and I'd be more inclined to look its way.
 

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Re: 2006 Suburu Legacy 2.5GT Spec.B vs. S60R (GrecianVolvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>How do you spell turbo LAG? S U B A R U... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yannis</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Please Yannis......you're bias is blatantly showing. The 2.5 motor has less lag than you think. If you're referring to the old WRX 2.2 motor.....major lag in that one.<p>I am sure that the average driver has a much better chance reaching the claimed 0-60 times of the Legacy GT versus the claimed times of the R. Most of us realize that Volvo stretched a bit in this department. Most mag tests don't come anywhere close to Volvo's numbers but seem to reach Subaru's claims a lot more consistently.
 

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Re: 2006 Suburu Legacy 2.5GT Spec.B vs. S60R (MagoonR)

I test drove the Legacy GT and the V70R back to back and found that while the subie had a little less grunt under 3000 rpm, it revved so fast to 3000 that it didn't matter. Lag was about equal. And after 3000, thrust kept increasing, so you actually approached redline faster with each millisecdon you held down the gas pedal.<p>Very nice feeling.
 

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I would pay the extra for a more refined car (guess I did with the R), then I would spend $645.00 on a soft loader <A HREF="http://cobbtuning.com/legacy/power-s.html#stage1" TARGET="_blank">Cobb Tuning</A> and have the power to go with it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://cobbtuning.com/legacy/images/ap-lgt-stage1.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Of course I still chose Volvo over this exact car. I like my R<p>-Caleb<p>
 

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Re: 2006 Suburu Legacy 2.5GT Spec.B vs. S60R ("R" Kelly)

The new Legacy's are definitely sharper looking than previous models.<br>The WRXsi is nice, too. But I still like the Mit better for that market.
 

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Re: 2006 Suburu Legacy 2.5GT Spec.B vs. S60R ("R" Kelly)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Spec B and Mazdaspeed6 are establishing a good low end to the AWD near luxury sport sedan market. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Spec B certainly, but the Masdaspeed6 is destined to be a disappointment.<p>Did you read the Road & Track comparison article in March '06 issue? The Mazdaspeed6 has issues with low-octane sensitivity and an undersized intercooler that make the R look like it was overdesigned in those areas.<p>The Mazdaspeed6 went 0-60 in 5.9 (okay), did the 1/4-mi in 14.8 @ 86.4mph (what?), and -- get this -- took <B>24.6 seconds</B> to hit 100 mph(!). It's slower to 100 than an XC90 T6.<p>The blame went to an inefficient, undersized intercooler and the 91 octane "premium" available in CA. It's just a more extreme example than the R of what running on too low octane does to your performance (despite the fact that the owner's manuals for both cars say all you need is 91...)
 

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Re: 2006 Suburu Legacy 2.5GT Spec.B vs. S60R (mgotts)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mgotts</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Spec B certainly, but the Masdaspeed6 is destined to be a disappointment.<p>The Mazdaspeed6 went 0-60 in 5.9 (okay), did the 1/4-mi in 14.8 @ 86.4mph (what?), and -- get this -- took <B>24.6 seconds</B> to hit 100 mph(!). It's slower to 100 than an XC90 T6.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Car and Driver had much better results with Mazdaspeed6. Equaled their best test of the R even. <p>0-60 5.4 secs [R- 5.5]<br>1/4 mile 14.0 @ 99 mph [14.0 @ 101mph]<p>But you have a point, we saw their poor R results in the desert heat on crappy 91 octane.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CSW</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would pay the extra for a more refined car (guess I did with the R), then I would spend $645.00 on a soft loader <A HREF="http://cobbtuning.com/legacy/power-s.html#stage1" TARGET="_blank">Cobb Tuning</A> and have the power to go with it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://cobbtuning.com/legacy/images/ap-lgt-stage1.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Of course I still chose Volvo over this exact car. I like my R<p>-Caleb<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>That is exactly what I was thinking...the Subaru world has many more choices & variety to MOD the cars than Volvo. The Subaru "look" is not necessarily my cup of tea, but you have to admit that it is one heck of a deal, particularly if you have modding in mind compared to what you can do w/the Volvo's...and the excess costs involved in modding it because of the limited selection of mod-businesses catering to Volvo's & thus lack of competition. If I were in my 20's, the Subaru would be my choice.
 

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One of their main points in that article was that you could save the $ from the limited edition and do the suspension mods yourself for less $. Since this is a limited edition I think the savings you get for purchasing a normal GT does not justify the $ for the SpecB. Now, the R vs a 2.5T AWD <I>easily </I>justifies the bump in price.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>I Roll</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">One of their main points in that article was that you could save the $ from the limited edition and do the suspension mods yourself for less $. Since this is a limited edition I think the savings you get for purchasing a normal GT does not justify the $ for the SpecB.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>One also has to wonder how much better the GT would be with the 18" wheels and performance rubber from the Spec B. Someone needs to tell Subaru to increase the brake size on the Spec B as well. There is far too much space left in there. But then again, I am spoiled on Brembos.
 
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