At that point I'd be looking for a wet clutch DCT to drop in... And adapt its mechatronic unit.
This thread, from user MnOpRacInG, shows a tear down of a failing valve body. The worn bores and valves are clearly visible, as demonstrated in the photos below:What goes bad in the valve bodies is the bores in which the valves ride. They become worn out and cross leaks occur that no amount of reprogramming can compensate for. The TCM turns solenoids on and off to stroke valves to direct fluid to specific locations inside the transmission. When the valve bores are worn out that control of flow is no longer possible.
[HR][/HR]"With a good flashlight on a cold engine compartment, stick your head over the near side of the brake fluid reservoir and look straight down.
White sticker with the SN. Just toward the front of the sticker (toward front of car) is the metal plate with the same SN."
I was scrolling down to read others' contributions (and slushbrained non-contribution opinions) before doing precisely that:Anyone who has a late-06, 07, or early-08 of any vehicle which has the TF-80SC, I'd really like to add your production date and transmission serial to the list to see if we can track down a cut-off date for the bad valve bodies. Thanks for those I've received so far.
I agree; I think the GT is most stout part of the entire caR, not just the drivetrain.My thoughts on the Volvo 6 speed GT auto trans are that it is pretty stout trans.
I did not know that '07s were built so early in 2006.The production date of my 07 SR was around March 2006. I've checked the transmission serial and it does not have the updated valve body.
Some cases that seems to be correct, but others there's a huge difference between the letter and the month of production. In the case of the two 2007 V8s on my list, there's a 4 month difference based on your understanding of the system. Also, to add a bit more weird to it, another 2007 V8 has 06M and M is the 13th letter. Maybe they skipped I? These are all the reasons I want to assemble this list so that we can finally get to the bottom of the question.The 06J (from the TNN) means October 2006 (J is the 10th letter...). My 06L means December 2006. So there was a month+ lag between build dates of my transmission and caR. I once checked a 3/[17?]/07 built VR and that seemed to hold true for it also (iirc it was an 07A).
Some have done it themselves but I don't think there is a clear step by step write-up for itSo, dealer charges 4.1 hrs for valve body swap, which means I can do it myself it 12, right?
Does anyone know what all is involved? I've done a valve body swap in a GM 4spd Auto from the 80's and it was more or less a drop in. Does the trans have to come off the car to do it? Possible to do this job on jack stands/ramps without a proper lift?
DCT trans looks good on paper, but I'm just not ready to own one yet. If you look at the Upkeep costs on them, it's crazy. The Mitsubishi one is supposed to have the fluid changed like every 10,000 mi and it's only supposed to be the Mitsubishi spec fluid that is crazy expensive. 6 liters, at $335 in just fluid. All of the other units are similar. I will stick with a normal Torque converter automatic trans. The 6 speed unit in the later R's is a pretty nice trans. Plenty of gears, shifts are quick and with the car switched into Advanced on the 4C it will stay in gear longer, and downshift sooner.At that point I'd be looking for a wet clutch DCT to drop in... And adapt its mechatronic unit.
I know for sure the trans pan it's self is not in the bottom of the trans like your probably used to. It kinda sits at at a 45 degree angle towards the front of the car. I want to say you have to at least lower the sub frame some to change out the valve body, but can't remember for sure.So, dealer charges 4.1 hrs for valve body swap, which means I can do it myself it 12, right?
Does anyone know what all is involved? I've done a valve body swap in a GM 4spd Auto from the 80's and it was more or less a drop in. Does the trans have to come off the car to do it? Possible to do this job on jack stands/ramps without a proper lift?
Yup, that's there I'd gotten/remembered the exact date from (thanks), but it'd been so long since I'd looked at it that it took me a while to remember/confirm...Thank you guys for the additions! Keep them coming. For anyone wondering about production date, the easiest source I've found is the vehicle's CarFax report.
As long as the "huge difference" didn't "go backwards in time", that just means that transmission production continued while vehicle production lagged, and a stockpile of transmissions had built up... So a 4-month lag (dis)proves nothing.Some cases that seems to be correct, but others there's a huge difference between the letter and the month of production. In the case of the two 2007 V8s on my list, there's a 4 month difference based on your understanding of the system. Also, to add a bit more weird to it, another 2007 V8 has 06M and M is the 13th letter. Maybe they skipped I? These are all the reasons I want to assemble this list so that we can finally get to the bottom of the question.
Yeah, I'm definitely not trying to disprove your theory. If anything, I'm trying to prove your theory...or any theory. I just want to know the answer. LOL
Yup, that's there I'd gotten/remembered the exact date from (thanks), but it'd been so long since I'd looked at it that it took me a while to remember/confirm...
As long as the "huge difference" didn't "go backwards in time", that just means that transmission production continued while vehicle production lagged, and a stockpile of transmissions had built up... So a 4-month lag (dis)proves nothing.
As for that 06M: while it's true that it only takes one counter-example to disprove any theory, it's also true that people sometimes who know that will reject a valid theory based upon a single anomalous data point. (And sometimes some people -- for eg, Judy Wood -- will do so on purpose, in order to disinform...)
Perhaps Aisin can explain that bakers-dozen "06M"...? (?extra production week squeezd in during the normally-off last week of the year?) An '07 R built in February 2007, if there weRe any, might help establish that that there is no letter between (2006) "L" and (2007) "A", and that that (2006) "M" was some sort of one-time anomaly.
If you/we can find a better explanation, good for you (and for all of us). 'til then (or if we find some backwards-in-time units that were definitely not replacements), I'll be sticking with my YYM 'understanding' to 'decode' the date of the AW SNs, and just scratch my head whenever (if) I (ever) see an "M".
PS: maybe that "M" is a one-time 2006 thang, indicating units that had their VB updated/replaced retroactively, late in 2006, after the unit was first assembled, but before it left the AW factory?
I would be very interested to know the shops that update these. Been looking for a specialty custom shop.Yeah, I'm definitely not trying to disprove your theory. If anything, I'm trying to prove your theory...or any theory. I just want to know the answer. LOL
I suspect what you've presented is accurate. My real goal is to just keep collecting and collecting data points until we finally prove out the answer.
My other goal is to (finally) bring this issue and its overwhelming reach to light. Years ago I thought this was just a few early R's and that I got unlucky. I also previously believed this was just an issue that could "possibly" affect a vehicle before 06J. Years later (and MANY threads read) I've realized this issue affected every unit within multiple model lines for multiple years. There's a lot of vehicles that will, at some point in their life, be affected by this. There's a reason several shops have set themselves up to rebuild and update these units. They've realized the scope and now, we finally are realizing it as well.
Thanks again to all who have submitted data points and KEEP THEM COMING!
I wouldn't think... I am absolutely no transmission expert but valve body issues can come by crap gumming up on the valve ways and restricts fluid flow. Unless something comes loose, clutch packs and such shouldnt be affectedCan the valve body issue cause damage to the transmission or any other component over time, or is it pretty much a benign issue that just affects how the car drives?
I think I would disagree, but I'm just as much an expert. LOL This problem causes flared shifts, harsh shifts, slamming shifts, neutral conditions which resolve themselves with slamming into gear. I've got to think that takes a toll on the internals of the transmission. It's certainly not operating correctly. I suspect running these with this problem into the period of time where shifts start to get real severe and not replacing the valve body would do internal transmission damage. Once again, though, I'm definitely no expert.I wouldn't think... I am absolutely no transmission expert but valve body issues can come by crap gumming up on the valve ways and restricts fluid flow. Unless something comes loose, clutch packs and such shouldnt be affected