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Does anyone have experience with both of these vehicles?<p>This blurb is from Car.com:<p>Volvo S40 Advantages:<br>Traction Control Standard<br>Engine (5 cylinder vs. 4 Cylinder)<br>6 Speed Manual Transmission<p>Subaru Legacy Advantages:<br>CD Changer Standard<br>Leather Seats Standard<br>32 More Horsepower (250 vs. 218)<p>Basically I'm in the market to replace my Miata so that I'll be able to tote my new baby around. With that in mind, I'd like to replace the miata with something that either handles nimbly enough to satisfy me stock from the factory, or be mod' able enough to reach that same level of performance.<p>Any opinions?<p>Thanks in advance,<br>--james
 

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Re: 2005 S40 T5 AWD vs. 2005 Subaru Legacy GT (jholder)

Hi James; welcome to Swedespeed. This is a very common comparison here and there are several extensive threads discussing the two cars. Car and Driver magazine also did a comparison test involving these two cars, and there is a thread on that test (with links to the source material on C/D). If you search the archives for "Legacy" you'll find four or five threads of discussion to read through. Here are a couple to get you started. Good luck!<p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=26336" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=26336</A><br><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=41300" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=41300</A>
 

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Re: 2005 S40 T5 AWD vs. 2005 Subaru Legacy GT (jholder)

T5, able to cut into the low 30 MPG, IMO the Subaru will pull low 20s under the same driving, the T5 can run on cheap fuel thanks to the low pressure turbo, the T5 can use and make turbo boost during 90% of normal driving vs 10% for the Subaru, HP sells, but you drive torque.
 

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The Legacy GT (as well as the Mazdaspeed6) are great machines. In fact, I would have bought the MS6 if only the back seats folded.<p>S40=more refinement<br>LGT=faster
 

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Re: 2005 S40 T5 AWD vs. 2005 Subaru Legacy GT (jholder)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jholder</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Basically I'm in the market to replace my Miata so that I'll be able to tote my new baby around. With that in mind, I'd like to replace the miata with something that either handles nimbly enough to satisfy me stock from the factory, or be mod' able enough to reach that same level of performance.<p>Any opinions?<p>Thanks in advance,<br>--james</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Does new baby's MaMa have anything to say about the choice? You know the old saying "If MaMa ain't happy -- nobody's happy! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Oldman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and the T5 has worlds more usagle torque, no such thing as a free lunch.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>There is such a thing as larger turbo without an asinine turbo\manifold casting. And the AWD systems in the two cars can't even be compared.<p>My point is, when you're lined up next to a Legacy GT at a stop light, vying to see who's going to merge in front of who onto the onramp, the Legacy GT will mow an S40 down.<p>I'd still take the S40, because I'm a huge Volvo fan, and I think it's an all around better car. But the S40 got the shaft as far as performance is concerned.
 

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The fact that the only tranny available on the Legacy GT is a slushbox means that it's a worthless car <b>to me</b>. <p>The "sport" automatic on it is a complete POS. It literally takes 2 seconds to upshift. <p>If you want a more engaging driving experience with a decent motor get the Volvo. <p>That's what I did at least. YMMV.
 

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well I've heard that about the SRT-4 and gee two races with them and it was about a wash <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The T5 is a low pressure turbo able to deliver near instant torque and good MPG, meaning it works 99.99% of the time the GT is a high pressure turbo meaning you need hightest fuel and you have the normal turbo lag. <p>I don't know which setup I would take new, if the T5 were like say a S60 t5, I'm happy with my 32 MPG of drivable torque on cheap regular which I've been pumping lately, just for grins.
 

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Re: 2005 S40 T5 AWD vs. 2005 Subaru Legacy GT (jholder)

i know the legacy HP seems a bit overstated. i have friends here who dynoed theirs and they had about the same wheel hp as mine stock.<p>overall, its a good car and handling package, but i still prefer the volvo for its better refinement and looks.
 

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Re: 2005 S40 T5 AWD vs. 2005 Subaru Legacy GT (Mistral)

both good cars, to me the choice is harder if you NEED 4WD, I did not so the T5 was a shoe in.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Oldman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well I've heard that about the SRT-4 and gee two races with them and it was about a wash <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The T5 is a low pressure turbo able to deliver near instant torque and good MPG, meaning it works 99.99% of the time the GT is a high pressure turbo meaning you need hightest fuel and you have the normal turbo lag. <p>I don't know which setup I would take new, if the T5 were like say a S60 t5, I'm happy with my 32 MPG of drivable torque on cheap regular which I've been pumping lately, just for grins.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>An S40 with a real T5 motor, like from the S60 T5, would be pure sex. It'd run 13s with a chip. And it would fit too! Why Volvo felt the need to develop a whole new engine for the S40 T5 I'll never know. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>quick</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The fact that the only tranny available on the Legacy GT is a slushbox means that it's a worthless car <b>to me</b>. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>The LGT comes with a 5-speed manual.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nebor</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">An S40 with a real T5 motor, like from the S60 T5, would be pure sex. It'd run 13s with a chip. And it would fit too! Why Volvo felt the need to develop a whole new engine for the S40 T5 I'll never know. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Volvo's sales pitch has been they redesigned the engine to decrease it's width. They did this to maintain the crush zones in the smaller S40/V50 cars. <p>This link is to a comparison test including a Subaru Legacy 2.5GT Limited and an S40 T5 (FWD).<br><A HREF="http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/8550/sustainable-sports-sedans-page3.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.caranddriver.com/co....html</A><p>A real eye opener to the low end torque advantage of the Volvo. The Subaru was a full second quicker from 0-60 yet the Volvo was a half second quicker in the rolling 5-60 run. <p>0-60 mph 5.7 6.7<br>rolling 5-60 mph 7.6 7.1<p>On top of that the Subie is rated 19City/25Hwy as opposed to the S40's 22City/31Hwy. Of course if you have to have the AWD S40 you lose a lot of that mpg advantage.<p>
 

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I test-drove both. I found the engine noise and the turbo lag in the Subaru annoying. Here in Maryland, I felt I could get by with the DSTC on the Volvo and didn't need the 4-wheel drive of the Subaru. <p>Also, the V50 turned out to cost less than the Legacy, since it was easier for me to order what I wanted in the Volvo and not pay for lots of bells-and-whistles that I didn't. The Subaru dealers wouldn't do that.<p>
 

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Not sure if I believe that 5-60 time for the Legacy GT. Car and Driver tested a 2.0L WRX 5-60 at 6.6 seconds, with a 0-60 time of 5.4 <p>The 2.0L turbo in the 2002-2005 WRX pales in comparision to the 2.5L turbo in the new WRX/LGT in terms of low-end response and torque delivery. <p>The LGT is making over 40 more lbs-ft of torque at 2500RPM at the wheels versus the WRX. It peaks 250RPM higher, but still makes 45lbs-ft more at the wheels.<p>Gearing advantage goes slightly to the LGT as well. <p>The roughly 250 pound difference in weight between the wrx and LGT certainly isn't going to result in only a 0.3 difference in the 0-60 but a massive 1.0 second difference in 5-60 time. In fact, I would be less suspect if the WRX returned a 7.6 5-60 time and the LGT had a 6.6 time. Ayup, still slower than the Volvo, but much more reasonable.<p>And not that it matters much, the LGT manual is rated at 20 / 26 mpg, the auto is 19/25.<p><br>AWD volvo with the manual is 20 / 29 mpg, auto 20 / 28 mpg<br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Crashy</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The LGT comes with a 5-speed manual.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not if you're looking at wagons. AMHIK. <p>If you're looking at sedans then just get the STi. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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There is more to a car then absolute WOT performance and the low pressure turbo is more useful 99.99% of the time, that's why Volvo put it in the S40, Volvo could have used a high pressure setup for very little $$$ but volvo must have felt that most of their customers would prefer minimal turbo lag and good mpg and the ability to use cheap fuel as more important than the ability to win some types of drag races.<p>The new Mazda 3 turbo will be Ford's pocket rocket with 6 speed LSD, 250 HP and 400+ pounds lighter then the S40...
 
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