[ATXVMan]

The big problem is that Volvo T6 is optimized for the maximum power on this engine.
The limitation is simply because it is a 2.0 liter engine, there are not many possibilities for better tuning.
You can get max 20-30HP and that's it, is it worth paying 2500$ for it, I don't think s

I definitely don’t disagree - overspinning the charger on the engine isn’t good. With something like the TDI and it’s multiple ”settings” (1-7), have read keeping it at 3 or under when stacked with Polestar doesn’t over spin the charger, or throw codes. But is it worth the $330 USD and/or additional worry of premature component wear; and, is there noticeable red-light to red-light difference? Likely more hype than proof, and likely same benefit by lightening the car (removing spare, smaller/lighter rims/tires on the corners, etc) for minimal gain.

In my search for an easy plug and play way to improve 0-60 without removing the Polestar optimization tune that was dealer installed, my results were limited, and that may just have to be OK.

 

[BigBang]

I definitely don’t disagree - overspinning the charger on the engine isn’t good. With something like the TDI and it’s multiple ”settings” (1-7), have read keeping it at 3 or under when stacked with Polestar doesn’t over spin the charger, or throw codes. But is it worth the $330 USD and/or additional worry of premature component wear; and, is there noticeable red-light to red-light difference? Likely more hype than proof, and likely same benefit by lightening the car (removing spare, smaller/lighter rims/tires on the corners, etc) for minimal gain.

In my search for an easy plug and play way to improve 0-60 without removing the Polestar optimization tune that was dealer installed, my results were limited, and that may just have to be OK.

I really don't have experience with TDI Tune company and I don't want to get into the discussion
If you think you can get 60HP and 49 lb/ft, then go ahead and buy

Just a little note, no serious tuning company offers a tuning option from 1-7 (37HP - 60HP)

Isn't it strange that Heco only offers 30HP for $2500 , TDI Tune 60HP for 400$ ?????

 

[ATXVMan]

I really don't have experience with TDI Tune company and I don't want to get into the discussion
If you think you can get 60HP and 49 lb/ft, then go ahead and buy

Just a little note, no serious tuning company offers a tuning option from 1-7 (37HP - 60HP)

Isn't it strange that Heco only offers 30HP for $2500 , TDI Tune 60HP for 400$ ?????

I am not disagreeing with you - it's marketing hype, similar to a Pedal Commander, but at least PC is more transparent in their claims (improved throttle response for quicker times, no actual boost). I don't care if it loses HP, I just want quicker red light to red light if it can be had at a nominal expense and without risk of mechanical failure.

No debate here. No need to reply - you've made your point. Take care!

 

[WunderWagen]

The big problem is that Volvo T6 is optimized for the maximum power on this engine.
The limitation is simply because it is a 2.0 liter engine, there are not many possibilities for better tuning.
You can get max 20-30HP and that's it, is it worth paying 2500$ for it, I don't think s

But what about the 2.0 in the 2017+ S60 Polestar... same engine type but with up to 367HP from Volvo! 😎

 

[ATXVMan]

But what about the 2.0 in the 2017+ S60 Polestar... same engine type but with up to 367HP from Volvo! 😎

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Isn’t it the same engine/setup? 330hp with Polestar (316 without)?

 

[partridge]

Isn’t it the same engine/setup? 330hp with Polestar (316 without)?

From some car mag:

For its third year, the roadgoing S60 Polestar gets a heart transplant. It’s now powered by an uprated version of Volvo’s Drive-E four-cylinder engine instead of the 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder, while an Aisin eight-speed replaces the former six-speed automatic transmission. Whereas the turbocharged six-cylinder was rated at 345 horsepower at 5250 rpm, the four is both supercharged and turbocharged and extracts 362 horsepower from a mere 2.0 liters of displacement. This engine is rated at 302 horsepower in the S60 and 316 horsepower in the XC90. Polestar’s version has a bigger turbocharger, more-aggressive valve timing, stronger connecting rods, a high-capacity fuel pump, and a larger, freer-flowing intake system fitted with a low-restriction filter. Its bigger 3.0-inch exhaust system leads to twin tailpipes, and there’s a valve that opens under electronic control or when the driver chooses Sport mode with the transmission lever.

 

[BigBang]

But what about the 2.0 in the 2017+ S60 Polestar... same engine type but with up to 367HP from Volvo! 😎

View attachment 180276

It is not the same engine used in the standard models

Polestar variants receive a bigger turbocharger, larger air intake, a higher-capacity fuel pump, new connecting rods, and new camshafts. In addition, the eight-speed automatic transmission has been revised by Polestar for improved performance.

Volvo S60, V60 Polestar Get New 367-HP Drive-E Engine

The Volvo S60 and V60 Polestar gain a new 2.0-liter twin-charged I-4 along with a host of new upgrades that make it perform even before than before.

www.motortrend.com

2017 Volvo S60 & V60 Polestar With 362HP Reporting For Duty In LA | Carscoops

Volvo brought its higher-performance S60 and V60 Polestar in LA this week, showcasing the sporty side of the brand. The two Polestar models are currently

www.carscoops.com

I hope it's clear to you now that you can't get 60HP for $400 by tuning, especially from a 2.0L engine that already has 300HP

HP is not important, torque is more important
Just one small example, where the model with a diesel engine, although it has less HP, has better acceleration, because it has 700Nm ws 500Nm

Compare: Audi SQ5 2017 SUV 354 Hp vs Audi SQ5 2019 SUV 347 Hp

Compare Technical Specs, Dimensions, Fuel consumption: Audi SQ5 II SUV 2017 2018 2019 2020, 354 Hp vs Audi SQ5 II SUV 2019 2020, 347 Hp

www.auto-data.net

"Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races."

 

[ATXVMan]

Question - my R-Design came from the dealer with the Polestar tune installed (empty box for the tune was in the glove box). I'm wanting to put the TDI-Tune on the car and am not sure of the process. I've read conflicting reports - can it be installed on-top of the Polestar (stacked), do they occupy the same sensors (fuel/air, essentially) or do I need to have the Polestar tune removed first? If Polestar tune is required to be removed, can only a dealer do it? The TDI-Tune can be self installed easily, really two sensors only impacted, but I don't know the ramifications with the Polestar currently installed. I do know even with the Polestar tune, it's slow AF. I'm getting beat by SQ5s, Mayan non-turbos and even RDX when trying to get on the freeway. I can't be having that crap.

UPDATE - INSTALLED TDI-TUNE - did NOT remove Polestar. 10 minute installation. Remove engine cover, three clips/plugs, mount tune box (I mounted mine on my fuse box cover), tuck wires and done. installation instructions a little less than direct and link to YouTube video was a dead link, but not hard to do at all.

Definitely noticeable difference on Level 3. No CELs, no turbo lag, no misfiring. Too soon to tell how mpg is impacted, but I didn't get the tune for that. I wanted better red light to red light speed; appears I got it. Will refrain from bumping beyond level 3 (goes to 7)...everything I read about stacking with Polestar says keep it on a mid-# for best performance.

 

[@ChristopherMcG]

Have you done anything on the intake side? It really opens up the mid to top end a small but noticeable amount just swapping out the stock filter for a drop in air filter.

 

[ATXVMan]

Have you done anything on the intake side? It really opens up the mid to top end a small but noticeable amount just swapping out the stock filter for a drop in air filter.

I have not but absolutely will. Thank you for the tip. I did remove the spare and swap the standard battery for a Braille and guesstimate I’ve lightened the load but 60-65 lbs.

 

[WunderWagen]

It is not the same engine used in the standard models

Polestar variants receive a bigger turbocharger, larger air intake, a higher-capacity fuel pump, new connecting rods, and new camshafts. In addition, the eight-speed automatic transmission has been revised by Polestar for improved performance.

Volvo S60, V60 Polestar Get New 367-HP Drive-E Engine

The Volvo S60 and V60 Polestar gain a new 2.0-liter twin-charged I-4 along with a host of new upgrades that make it perform even before than before.

www.motortrend.com

2017 Volvo S60 & V60 Polestar With 362HP Reporting For Duty In LA | Carscoops

Volvo brought its higher-performance S60 and V60 Polestar in LA this week, showcasing the sporty side of the brand. The two Polestar models are currently

www.carscoops.com

I hope it's clear to you now that you can't get 60HP for $400 by tuning, especially from a 2.0L engine that already has 300HP

HP is not important, torque is more important
Just one small example, where the model with a diesel engine, although it has less HP, has better acceleration, because it has 700Nm ws 500Nm

Compare: Audi SQ5 2017 SUV 354 Hp vs Audi SQ5 2019 SUV 347 Hp

Compare Technical Specs, Dimensions, Fuel consumption: Audi SQ5 II SUV 2017 2018 2019 2020, 354 Hp vs Audi SQ5 II SUV 2019 2020, 347 Hp

www.auto-data.net

"Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races."

I wasn't saying it was the exact same engine... just that Volvo can get 367HP from a 2.0 engine that is SIMILAR to our standard engine. Those Polestar parts in theory could be added to standard motor if someone wanted to invest the time and money.

But agree, just tuning alone would introduce risk for +60HP.

 

[ATXVMan]

I wasn't saying it was the exact same engine... just that Volvo can get 367HP from a 2.0 engine that is SIMILAR to our standard engine. Those Polestar parts in theory could be added to standard motor if someone wanted to invest the time and money.

But agree, just tuning alone would introduce risk for +60HP.

So far so good. Seems really dialed in with the Polestar from the dealer, the TDI and a little lightening of the rear end with the spare delete (29 lbs) and Braille battery (weighs 5 lbs, saving about 30 lbs over stock battery). I'll look into the filter next.

 

[BigBang]

I wasn't saying it was the exact same engine... just that Volvo can get 367HP from a 2.0 engine that is SIMILAR to our standard engine. Those Polestar parts in theory could be added to standard motor if someone wanted to invest the time and money.

But agree, just tuning alone would introduce risk for +60HP.

Please go back and read what you wrote

But what about the 2.0 in the 2017+ S60 Polestar... same engine type but with up to 367HP from Volvo! 😎

In conclusion it is not the same engine, far from it, bigger turbocharger, larger air intake, a higher-capacity fuel pump, new connecting rods, and new camshafts. Look up the cost of those parts, the turbo alone costs a few thousand $$


Believe it or not, it is possible to get 420HP or even more (500 up ) from a 2-liter engine, but the price of that conversion is $10-20k.

Currently, the only production 2.0L engine that has 420HP is the Mercedes-Benz AMG A45 S

Please read carefully what I wrote:
Isn't it strange that Heco only offers 30HP for $2500 , TDI Tune 60HP for $400 ?????

You know why Heco only offers 30HP for $2500, because it was proven in relevant tests in Germany, and the others sell "fog"
Good luck with the 60HP tuning for $400

To understand what I am writing about, here is a small example

Big Turbocharger Systems - APR

Go big or go home. Get the maximum power and torque with our big turbo upgrades.

www.goapr.com

 

[WunderWagen]

BigBang not sure why you post the way you do... comes off as unnecessarily confrontational.

My post said "same engine type"! Not same engine... and the post you made confirms that changes to support that power are mostly considered bolt on parts but based on the same 2.0 engine block using a turbo + supercharger combination (although upgraded turbo)

As an example of forced induction motors seeing large gains from just tuning... APR has some great options

Porsche 992 with 3.0 turbo:

APR ECU-30T-992 APR ECU Upgrade - 3.0T (992)

My comments were about the possibilities on our 2.0 motors, not about the $400 tune.

 

[partridge]

As an example of forced induction motors seeing large gains from just tuning... APR has some great options

Porsche 992 with 3.0 turbo:

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APR ECU-30T-992 APR ECU Upgrade - 3.0T (992)

My comments were about the possibilities on our 2.0 motors, not about the $400 tune.

Depending on the platform there’s definitely a lot of power left on the table. I remember my days in a 1.8T (VW Passat/Audi A4 B5 platform) where just a simple relatively conservative stage 1 chip tune netted you 50hp in a platform that only started out at 150hp.

Whether the Volvo 2.0 with the supercharger and turbo has that much headroom is debatable.

 

[BigBang]

I don't understand why my answer is confrontational to you

In my first reply to your post, I responded to your claim that it is the same engine
I gave arguments that prove it, that it is impossible to get 60HP from a 2.0L engine that already has 310HP with just a $400 tuning.
I gave you an example of a serious company Heco

Otherwise, it is known that all engines of the VW group have a great potential for tuning, that is why there are dozens of companies in the world that deal with it, unlike Volvo
Just one small example of what can be done with a 2.0l engine

APR ECU-20T-EA888-2-L APR ECU Upgrade - 2.0T EA888 Gen 2 (Longitudinal)

APR's ECU Upgrades are the best dollar-per-horsepower modification one can make to improve engine performance. The upgrades dramatically increase horsepower and torque, making for an exceptionally quicker and more exciting vehicle. This is made possible through APR's optimization of the factory...

www.goapr.com

I wrote before, everything is possible, but it costs a lot more money

 

[TomoBat]

I have installed Racechip's on my VW and RR both performed exceptionally well but the boxes don't last long, maybe 2-3 years max. You can feel the increase in torque and savings with the fuel. P tune is mapping the transmission to make much smoother shifts, it doesn't increase HP/Torque. I think it would be safe to merry both tunes. please let us know when you pull the trigger!

 

[WunderWagen]

I don't understand why my answer is confrontational to you

In my first reply to your post, I responded to your claim that it is the same engine
I gave arguments that prove it, that it is impossible to get 60HP from a 2.0L engine that already has 310HP with just a $400 tuning.
I gave you an example of a serious company Heco

Otherwise, it is known that all engines of the VW group have a great potential for tuning, that is why there are dozens of companies in the world that deal with it, unlike Volvo
Just one small example of what can be done with a 2.0l engine

APR ECU-20T-EA888-2-L APR ECU Upgrade - 2.0T EA888 Gen 2 (Longitudinal)

APR's ECU Upgrades are the best dollar-per-horsepower modification one can make to improve engine performance. The upgrades dramatically increase horsepower and torque, making for an exceptionally quicker and more exciting vehicle. This is made possible through APR's optimization of the factory...

www.goapr.com

I wrote before, everything is possible, but it costs a lot more money

You said I had stated it was the same engine in the Polestar S60 which is not what I said...telling me to go back and read what I wrote came across as rude and then you said I was incorrect which also was not true.

My original response was to your comment "The limitation is simply because it is a 2.0 liter engine, there are not many possibilities for better tuning" ...my post was to show that a 2.0 from Volvo has more power potential, I never mentioned the $400 tune.

The Polestar S60 is the same base engine with bolt on modifications done to it. Since the block can handle that power I would expect a proper tune can get the 60HP, the risk may be the rods but I would think a modern engine can handle that increase since it is done with other manufacturers (VW, Audi, etc) with similar displacement motors.

By the way, the tuning company for Volvo is Heico - not Heco

Home | Heico Sportiv

 

[BigBang]

You said I had stated it was the same engine in the Polestar S60 which is not what I said...telling me to go back and read what I wrote came across as rude and then you said I was incorrect which also was not true.

My original response was to your comment "The limitation is simply because it is a 2.0 liter engine, there are not many possibilities for better tuning" ...my post was to show that a 2.0 from Volvo has more power potential, I never mentioned the $400 tune.

The Polestar S60 is the same base engine with bolt on modifications done to it. Since the block can handle that power I would expect a proper tune can get the 60HP, the risk may be the rods but I would think a modern engine can handle that increase since it is done with other manufacturers (VW, Audi, etc) with similar displacement motors.

By the way, the tuning company for Volvo is Heico - not Heco

Home | Heico Sportiv

You state what is not true

But what about the 2.0 in the 2017+ S60 Polestar... same engine type but with up to 367HP from Volvo! 😎

Enjoy a $10,000 tuning for 57HP

Everything is possible in the world, even 450-500HP can be obtained from that engine, but the price of those modifications is too high.
VW engines are known for their extremely high potential for tuning and there are dozens of companies that do it, for Volvo there is no such option

End of discussion for me