160 bux for an intercooler?
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Re: 160 bux for an intercooler? (gmugolf)
Doesnt look like it has the plug for the sensor on the FMIC...although you could get that welded on..but I wouldn't trust eBay fmic.
Doesnt look like it has the plug for the sensor on the FMIC...although you could get that welded on..but I wouldn't trust eBay fmic.
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Re: 160 bux for an intercooler? (jdsr917)
Not going to be bolt on my friend. Just another generic intercooler with some piping included (which is cheap and welds like shiet by the way). Would require welding and custom fabrication. Depending on who did it for you it may cost as much as the ATP unit which then id have to recommend instead.
Not going to be bolt on my friend. Just another generic intercooler with some piping included (which is cheap and welds like shiet by the way). Would require welding and custom fabrication. Depending on who did it for you it may cost as much as the ATP unit which then id have to recommend instead.
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Re: 160 bux for an intercooler? (jdsr917)
No problem just trying to save you guys time and money. Have had my fair share of experience using cheap intercoolers and cheap piping and its just a mess. Ill try to find some pictures of what the difference in welds look like between ebay piping and 6061 piping
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No problem just trying to save you guys time and money. Have had my fair share of experience using cheap intercoolers and cheap piping and its just a mess. Ill try to find some pictures of what the difference in welds look like between ebay piping and 6061 piping
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Forcefed, if you disregard price - would you go for the bell or the atp ic?
Really dont like the atp because it doesnt fill the slot like the bell.
Really dont like the atp because it doesnt fill the slot like the bell.
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You should definitely get it. I did the same thing, and it came out great. I bought a different kit, and I already had a core. It's a good price, and it's what most people that don't own Volvos pay for a generic intercooler. Audi guys spend like $400-$500 for a full kit. All of the kits for the S40/S60 are complete rip offs. You're not pushing enough air to need anything much better. If you had a larger turbo, i could see that, but not with a stock turbo. Especially on a LPT car.
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You mean the ATP?
Im not gonna get a turbo upgrade, IC and ferrita downpipe + a stage 2 tune will be my fix.
Im not gonna get a turbo upgrade, IC and ferrita downpipe + a stage 2 tune will be my fix.
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Re: (goddamnswede)
Problem is it does come down to price most cases. Yes the Bell intercooler is a very nicely made unit however for the performance gains the ATP takes the cake as its hundreds less. The fact that it uses one of the highest quality cores available is a major selling point. As far as cosmetics i wouldnt pay hundreds more for the Bell just because it fills the air dam when the ATP should produce the same results in most cases.
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| Forcefed, if you disregard price - would you go for the bell or the atp ic? Really dont like the atp because it doesnt fill the slot like the bell. |
Problem is it does come down to price most cases. Yes the Bell intercooler is a very nicely made unit however for the performance gains the ATP takes the cake as its hundreds less. The fact that it uses one of the highest quality cores available is a major selling point. As far as cosmetics i wouldnt pay hundreds more for the Bell just because it fills the air dam when the ATP should produce the same results in most cases.
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Re: (cmurphy2266)
Intercooler is to cool intake air temps that are increased due to the compression of air created by the turbo. With our tiny turbos we will experience very high IAT's. Now with increased boost pressures on our turbos a quality intercooler is even MORE important. I understand your arguement about the LPT... Thus why the Greddy turbo kits that first came on the scene didnt even use intercoolers due to the low boost applications.
The fact that most are running higher than stock boost levels immediately requires an intercooler that has a quality core to reduce intake temps. Generic intercoolers work fine for budget builds not looking for peak power. Since we are limited as to what can produce peak power everything makes a difference including the intercooler.
Being that these generics have greater surface area than stock i cant argue that they wont make more power... however can guarantee they wont make the peak power achievable compared to something like a Treadstone, Garrett, PWR, HKS, Greddy, etc core will.
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| It's a good price, and it's what most people that don't own Volvos pay for a generic intercooler. Audi guys spend like $400-$500 for a full kit. All of the kits for the S40/S60 are complete rip offs. You're not pushing enough air to need anything much better. If you had a larger turbo, i could see that, but not with a stock turbo. Especially on a LPT car. |
Intercooler is to cool intake air temps that are increased due to the compression of air created by the turbo. With our tiny turbos we will experience very high IAT's. Now with increased boost pressures on our turbos a quality intercooler is even MORE important. I understand your arguement about the LPT... Thus why the Greddy turbo kits that first came on the scene didnt even use intercoolers due to the low boost applications.
The fact that most are running higher than stock boost levels immediately requires an intercooler that has a quality core to reduce intake temps. Generic intercoolers work fine for budget builds not looking for peak power. Since we are limited as to what can produce peak power everything makes a difference including the intercooler.
Being that these generics have greater surface area than stock i cant argue that they wont make more power... however can guarantee they wont make the peak power achievable compared to something like a Treadstone, Garrett, PWR, HKS, Greddy, etc core will.
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Re: (ForceFed Motorsports)
I know what an intercooler does.....
When you can prove that, I will believe it. I don't think you realize that the LPT engine doesn't push that much air to need anything bigger.
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Intercooler is to cool intake air temps that are increased due to the compression of air created by the turbo. With our tiny turbos we will experience very high IAT's. Now with increased boost pressures on our turbos a quality intercooler is even MORE important. I understand your arguement about the LPT... Thus why the Greddy turbo kits that first came on the scene didnt even use intercoolers due to the low boost applications. The fact that most are running higher than stock boost levels immediately requires an intercooler that has a quality core to reduce intake temps. Generic intercoolers work fine for budget builds not looking for peak power. Since we are limited as to what can produce peak power everything makes a difference including the intercooler. Being that these generics have greater surface area than stock i cant argue that they wont make more power... however can guarantee they wont make the peak power achievable compared to something like a Treadstone, Garrett, PWR, HKS, Greddy, etc core will. |
I know what an intercooler does.....
When you can prove that, I will believe it. I don't think you realize that the LPT engine doesn't push that much air to need anything bigger.
Re: (cmurphy2266)
Air through the inlet of an intercooler is pushed with a temp of 140-150C (approx. 300 fahrenheit)
If we only knew the temp. of the air at the oulet side of such a generic IC, then that would help in judging it's efficiency, but those e-bay builders seem to have built them only without testing them on real cars, cos none of them demostrate differences in air temperature between both ends.
Air through the inlet of an intercooler is pushed with a temp of 140-150C (approx. 300 fahrenheit)
If we only knew the temp. of the air at the oulet side of such a generic IC, then that would help in judging it's efficiency, but those e-bay builders seem to have built them only without testing them on real cars, cos none of them demostrate differences in air temperature between both ends.
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Re: (cmurphy2266)
Then you need to venture out into more forums my friend. Just because it hasnt been proven on this volvo forum doesnt mean it hasnt anywhere else. Ebay intercoolers have been used in comparison with reputable ones in the honda community for the last decade all of which unless extremely oversized have yet to yeild the same results.
I can speak from experience switching to a treadstone from a ebay intercooler and with minimal boost increase and some head work made 150 more whp. Tuner said that he felt like the car could breathe now and wasnt having to work so hard.
And i was refering to increased boost pressure. I know the factory LPT doesnt push much air but you have to realize that the volume is restricted and when the pressure increases it in turn produces much higher IAT's, even more so than stock.
You may argue that it cools just as well but you have to also consider the power loss of a restrictive intercooler. How much psi on the inlet side is required to produce the set psi in the manifold where boost reference is normally taken from. Having to spike 15psi to create 10 as your preset boost level will produce a loss of power rather than a smooth increase in boost pressure.
Then you need to venture out into more forums my friend. Just because it hasnt been proven on this volvo forum doesnt mean it hasnt anywhere else. Ebay intercoolers have been used in comparison with reputable ones in the honda community for the last decade all of which unless extremely oversized have yet to yeild the same results.
I can speak from experience switching to a treadstone from a ebay intercooler and with minimal boost increase and some head work made 150 more whp. Tuner said that he felt like the car could breathe now and wasnt having to work so hard.
And i was refering to increased boost pressure. I know the factory LPT doesnt push much air but you have to realize that the volume is restricted and when the pressure increases it in turn produces much higher IAT's, even more so than stock.
You may argue that it cools just as well but you have to also consider the power loss of a restrictive intercooler. How much psi on the inlet side is required to produce the set psi in the manifold where boost reference is normally taken from. Having to spike 15psi to create 10 as your preset boost level will produce a loss of power rather than a smooth increase in boost pressure.
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