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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for 04) RWD..? Any i ... (brat2)

While shopping for my car, aside from the choices already listed, I also looked at:<p>Lexus IS250 AWD<br>Subaru STi, then the Legacy B Spec<br>Mitsubishi EVO IX<br>Hummer H3 (don't ask why because I don't know)
 

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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for 04) RWD..? Any i ... (brat2)

Infiniti G35 Sedan 6MT
 

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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for ... (IwantaS60R)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>IwantaS60R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Infiniti G35 Sedan 6MT</TD></TR></TABLE><p>And wait for the '07.<br>If AWD is a must, I say '07 Legacy Spec B and Mazdaspeed6.
 

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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for ... (PhilUp)

Have prices come down at all on the Lexus IS350? Probably not interested based on exclusively manuals, but paddle shifters ain't bad.<p>Much rather have it than the Acura TL, and I like the TL, except the torque steer.
 

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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for 04) RWD..? Any i ... (brat2)

Yeah, the 06-07 Honda Accord V6 6-speed, if you believe the C/D numbers it's actually a little quicker than the TL; which it should be since it's a lighter car. <p>I always seem to have great luck when I buy my cars new ("good luck" is all relatively speaking) and awful luck with pre-owned ones. Maybe it's because I always use Mobil-1 and Evil Previous Owners use unrefined Canadian tar sand when and if they bother to change their oil.
 

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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for ... (bill d cat)

Wait for <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=56963" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=56963</A> that. I don't know about anyone else but I wouldn't buy a car that's on a platform which is being shown the way out. The only downside is that I hear Infiniti dealers are the worst...
 

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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for 04) RWD..? Any i ... (HJZ)

Lexus IS250 --- waaay too slow. 350 is an auto, so its not an option. I LOOOVE ITS CHARACTERISTICS thou!!! 5.1s 0-60??? Are you even #[email protected]*#[email protected] kidding meee ??!! WOW! Very impressive! Fastest Lexus ever built, huh?!<p>SUBARU STi --- monster car with Civic interrior...wow! I love its characteristics thou as well. What can i say. I almost bought a Blue 04 w/21k mi on it in September! I even paid $70 for the PPI (pre-purchase inspection!). But as i said, its a Subaru... Not even a sunroof. No traction control... No brand name. Interior, well you know the story. If i'd live somwhere between Paris and Dakar... STi would probably be my choice for sure... Very solid car, very.<p>EVO? --- no, no Mitsu for me, rather the STi than, thats for sure.<p>Hummer ???! --- are you kidding me?! Who said H3 ?! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>See, brand name is a little important to me... Acura would probably be the lowest i'd go...
 

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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for 04) RWD..? Any i ... (brat2)

Guys, and how do i quote others? Still amator on this board... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for ... (IwantaS60R)

Hmmm, let me see... I'd probably buy a G35 Coupe 6sp, if my close relative/sibling wouldnt drive a 04 G35 Coupe Auto Blk/blk. Thats the only good colour combination for it. Dont like the silver/blk.
 

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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for ... (PhilUp)

Legacy? I saw how Rich, the Chicago Subaru expert was chipping one. I loved it! But design, man!!! Design ma friend. Dont get me wrong, i like the Interior design, and whats under the hood! Boxer engine + AWD = Yummmiiieeee! But no brand name and 2 out of 10 design.<p>Thats why i picked a 01 A6, back in 2004 over all its competitors. Interior and exterior design! TurboS(a twin <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> ) + AWD + 5v/cyl + its a german car!...
 

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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for ... (NRM8573)

Either too slow, or too small. A3, A4 & TT respectivly...
 

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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for 04) RWD..? Any i ... (brat2)

The TL is a very nice car for the money, especially with the new larger nav screen ('05 up) and voice integration, bluetooth, etc. We compared the R to the TL and found that the R offered much more driving satisfaction for the price after we factored in the benefits of the OSD program (the TL at $34K vs. R at $38K with a free vacation thrown in). If it's a direct comparison using new retail pricing, the TL might just win. I found that the interior of the TL is a bit too cavernous for my tastes.<p>I do chuckle every time I hear people complain about the reliability of the R. My inlaws have a 2004 TL and they have had it in the shop countless times for warranty repairs... one thing after another... and I seriously doubt you will find better reliability with a BMW. <p>Have you driven all three? Which did you enjoy driving the most? I say go with your gut, but while you're at it take a look at the G35x AWD. A bit plasticky (sp?) inside, but the performance is great and I believe the resale values are fairly low. You might find one for sale at a great deal.<p>Good luck - Tryg
 

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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for 04) RWD..? Any i ... (brat2)

For the money, this is how I look at it. If you want:<p>AWD with 6sp manual - S60R<br>RWD with 6sp manual - G35<br>FWD with 6sp manual - TL<br>RWD with 6sp auto - IS350<br>RWD with less power, goofy styling, but great handling - 330i<br>AWD with less power, goofy styling, but 50/50 AWD system - A4 3.0<p>Close to the same performance as the R, less money, but without the "prestige":<br>Mazdaspeed 6 or Legacy GT SpecB<p>I think both the Mazda and Suburu look hot, and the legacy GT SpecB has very nice interior to boot. I've also heard the mod market for the Legacy is more robust than the R.
 

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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for 04) RWD..? Any i ... (HJZ)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>HJZ</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">While shopping for my car, aside from the choices already listed, I also looked at:<p>Lexus IS250 AWD<br>Subaru STi, then the Legacy B Spec<br>Mitsubishi EVO IX<br>Hummer H3 (don't ask why because I don't know)</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> IS250...WHY?<br>The 350 offers so much more, performance wise.<br>I hate to say it...JRL's head will really swell...but the new ES300 does look better than in the past. I like the new G35 somewhat too.<br>And, a new I350 BMW is due to come out in the fall.<br>Hummer H3 is an atrocity to the large ego-maniac Hummer image. I'd at least go with the H2 if that was your thing. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for ... ("R" Kelly)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Have prices come down at all on the Lexus IS350? Probably not interested based on exclusively manuals, but paddle shifters ain't bad.<p>Much rather have it than the Acura TL, and I like the TL, except the torque steer.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I never did drive one, but have been hearing in reviews that the paddle shifters are about as week as any other auto-shift type set up. There is that bit of a lag that just makes you realize it is NOT the real thing.
 

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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for 04) RWD..? Any i ... (Eric_H)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Eric_H</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>JRL's head will really swell... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Why, ES 300?<br>All I said was it's a near perfect car. It just doesn't handle all that well but never was designed to.<br>It's an ultra quiet, now decent looking tomb, err vehicle, to go from A to B with nary a fuss, ever
 

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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for 04) RWD..? Any i ... ("R" Kelly)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For the money, this is how I look at it. If you want:<p>AWD with 6sp manual - S60R<br>RWD with 6sp manual - G35<br>FWD with 6sp manual - TL<br>RWD with 6sp auto - IS350<br>RWD with less power, goofy styling, but great handling - 330i<br>AWD with less power, goofy styling, but 50/50 AWD system - A4 3.0<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, I don't know how tall you guys are, but there's only one teeny, tiny problem with that list above.<p>The IS. Is. Really. Really. Small. <p>I am 6'2" and not narrow. I'd like to say I carry my 250lbs well, thank you. When I position the seats in the V70, there's not a lot of room behind myself, but enough to seat someone in relative comfort. <p>Yesterday, I sat in an IS350 at the auto show. No headroom. Very limited shoulder and hip room. My wife got in behind me and said, wow there's no room back here. I started moving the seat back, and she said, now there's really no room back here. I kept moving the seat back until she said "ok, stop, you're hurting me". I hadn't even gotten comfy yet. She got out and I moved the seat back to where I wanted it. There was less than 2" between the seat back and the rear seat cushion. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Really nice car, but man is it smal. I felt like I was press fit in. <p>The G, 3 Series and TL all have more room (increasing in that order). <p>Too bad, I really like the IS.
 

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Re: '05 S60R 6sp VS. '05 TL FWD 270hp 6sp VS. 02-04 330ci 5-6sp(for 04) RWD..? Any i ... (JRL)

No, no...this was meant as tongue in cheek.<br>I was previously stating how awful looking the ES was and you informed me of the changes the ES went through for 2007. I was just conceding on the fact that it is in fact a pretty decent car and should be worth a look. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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