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As others on the forum have shared I will contribute my efforts and results on upgrading a 2021 V90 HPA audio system and the search for the holy grail of Volvo audio improvement. You know who you are. In my search to replace my 2008 V70, no longer offered, I began my mid-west search for a low mileage V90 Unicorn. Bowers and Wilkens or H/K audio optioned vehicles are a rarity. I found a low miles V90 that satisfied my needs except audio.

Following significant research and some over confidence I mistakenly opted to begin the upgrade from HPA to BW. I purchased a salvaged B&W speaker set from Erie Volvo in the US. Once I started the actual modification work I soon discovered this upgrade is a serious and laborious task to undertake, primarily due to the fact that wire harnesses require substitution or wire pairs added for completion. H/K to B&W is doable. HPA to B&W or H/K is much more difficult.

Potential issues with a BW upgrade I was unwilling to test.
  • Inner door disassembly to add BW speaker harnesses.
  • Obtaining and reverse engineering Volvo electrical diagrams and variations.
  • Sourcing the correct terminals and re-pinning Volvo connectors.
  • Disassembling the center console to route the center speaker wire harness.
  • Lowering the roof headliner to install the rear pillar speakers and wires.
  • Configuring/programming the installed BW amplifier using VDASH.

Therefore, My upgrade I installed is what I’ll modestly label a hybrid BW audio option which I believe is a worthwhile undertaking and does not require new harness installation. The quality difference in the BW drivers from HPA are obvious and immediate. Larger magnets, larger voice coils, heavier baskets, and better quality cone material.

The BW hybrid audio system in summary:

  • Add Dynamat sound suppression material to door/door panels as required.
  • Substitute the 6 front door drivers from HPA to BW. One for One.
  • Substitute the 4 rear door drivers from HPA to BW. One for One
  • Add the HPA tweeters from the front door to the rear door existing opening.
  • The rear door now has 3 speakers all in parallel running off one HPA channel.
  • Install the BW sub-woofer in the OEM position and run a wire pair into the spare tire compartment.
  • Purchase a harness that allows a patch from the HPA amplifier and add taps for the sub input (Front Door Woofer) while leaving the installed harness intact.
  • Install an aftermarket mono block sub-woofer amplifier into the spare compartment.(Sony XM-GS100)
  • Sell the unused BW amplifier, center speaker, and rear pillar speakers.

This hybrid BW system in my V90 satisfies my expectation for the best audio result as can be obtained without significant cost or vehicle tear up. I am quite satisfied with the outcome.
 
As others on the forum have shared I will contribute my efforts and results on upgrading a 2021 V90 HPA audio system and the search for the holy grail of Volvo audio improvement. You know who you are. In my search to replace my 2008 V70, no longer offered, I began my mid-west search for a low mileage V90 Unicorn. Bowers and Wilkens or H/K audio optioned vehicles are a rarity. I found a low miles V90 that satisfied my needs except audio.

Following significant research and some over confidence I mistakenly opted to begin the upgrade from HPA to BW. I purchased a salvaged B&W speaker set from Erie Volvo in the US. Once I started the actual modification work I soon discovered this upgrade is a serious and laborious task to undertake, primarily due to the fact that wire harnesses require substitution or wire pairs added for completion. H/K to B&W is doable. HPA to B&W or H/K is much more difficult.

Potential issues with a BW upgrade I was unwilling to test.
  • Inner door disassembly to add BW speaker harnesses.
  • Obtaining and reverse engineering Volvo electrical diagrams and variations.
  • Sourcing the correct terminals and re-pinning Volvo connectors.
  • Disassembling the center console to route the center speaker wire harness.
  • Lowering the roof headliner to install the rear pillar speakers and wires.
  • Configuring/programming the installed BW amplifier using VDASH.

Therefore, My upgrade I installed is what I’ll modestly label a hybrid BW audio option which I believe is a worthwhile undertaking and does not require new harness installation. The quality difference in the BW drivers from HPA are obvious and immediate. Larger magnets, larger voice coils, heavier baskets, and better quality cone material.

The BW hybrid audio system in summary:

  • Add Dynamat sound suppression material to door/door panels as required.
  • Substitute the 6 front door drivers from HPA to BW. One for One.
  • Substitute the 4 rear door drivers from HPA to BW. One for One
  • Add the HPA tweeters from the front door to the rear door existing opening.
  • The rear door now has 3 speakers all in parallel running off one HPA channel.
  • Install the BW sub-woofer in the OEM position and run a wire pair into the spare tire compartment.
  • Purchase a harness that allows a patch from the HPA amplifier and add taps for the sub input (Front Door Woofer) while leaving the installed harness intact.
  • Install an aftermarket mono block sub-woofer amplifier into the spare compartment.(Sony XM-GS100)
  • Sell the unused BW amplifier, center speaker, and rear pillar speakers.

This hybrid BW system in my V90 satisfies my expectation for the best audio result as can be obtained without significant cost or vehicle tear up. I am quite satisfied with the outcome.
What frequency did you set the sub amplifier to for its low pass filter? Just curious. I’m doing a similar thing to my C70.
 
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What frequency did you set the sub amplifier to for its low pass filter? Just curious. I’m doing a similar thing to my C70.
I am currently set as follows. (Level 2V, Sub-sonic filter 30 Hz, Low Boost 6 dB, Low Pass Filter 140 Hz)That said I may change the settings a touch. I'm a bit "boomy" on certain sources. Naturally this is dependent on your car model, speaker model, and source material.
 
Hej, nice work. So i also did the work; BUT - i took audiosignal from the speakers at top in trunk, was the easyest way for me i think.
So, i didn´t get the result i expected, Seems like the frequency is cuttet already on lines to the speakers in trunk?

Anyone knows this? Or anyone have a circuit diagram for audio in v90 2018?

THANK YOU
 
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Hej, nice work. So i also did the work; BUT - i took audiosignal from the speakers at top in trunk, was the easyest way for me i think.
So, i didn´t get the result i expected, Seems like the frequency is cuttet already on lines to the speakers in trunk?

Anyone knows this? Or anyone have a circuit diagram for audio in v90 2018?

THANK YOU
imho. I took my subamp signal from the woofer in the front door. Rational. This speaker is dedicated to low frequency content and therefore contained the signals I wanted to present to the subamp. The Volvo audio system is all DSP(Digital Signal Processing) There are digital gymnastics going on in the head up front and distributing signals to the respective channels (Left, Right, Front, Tweeter, Mid, Woofer, etc) by internal software. The DSP gymnastics is also dependent on what audio variant you have. (HPA, HK, BW) There is a device you can purchase that connects to the signal you have and can equalize the signal to recreate sub woofer frequencies. See below.


Good luck.
 
I’m not sure about your particular car but on my 2016 XC 70, the rear speakers did not get bass below about 150hz. Only the front speakers did. One way to figure out which speakers get what frequency is to download a frequency analyzer on your phone and send the system pink noise using a different app on your phone. Then hold the phone near the speakers with the frequency analyzer app open, and you’ll see a frequency cut off if there’s one. The apps I use are “white noise” and “octave RTA”.
 
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Yes. If you examine the amplifier part numbers for the three variants they are all different. Additionally when I modified my 2021 I purchased a B&W salvage kit, I popped the top of the B&W amplifier, there was an amplifier chip for each channel. I ended up not using the amp and sold it on the bay. If you examine the electrical schematics of the three variants the diagrams are all different. What makes these mods tricky is that the audio is not analog, the amp is on a MOST fibre optic loop and the audio signal is all DSP up to the amplifier. There are software based gymnastics(beyond the scope of my abilities) in the Sensus head that control the audio via DSP(Digital Signal Processing) and each variant uses different software. So the crossover points, speaker impedance, wire harness, and number of speakers are different for each variant. In a sentence audio mods for Volvo are an "all or none" proposition. For my Volvo I upgraded all my HPA speakers to B&W and added an aftermarket sub amp for the B&W OEM speaker, (I installed) in the rear quarter. I call it a hybrid HPA system, the best I dared do considering.
 
Thak you for your detailed answer.
Ok, I will add sub as you.
But what can i do with dash speaker?
Are there wiring diagrams and wiring diagrams in VIDA?

I had a pre-pared connector in the dash for central/dash speaker, but it is dead.
I would like to know where is its end.
 
This is my analysis of the base system with just one connector...

161514131211109
BlankGreenBlankGreen/VioletViolet/BrownBrownViolet/RedBrown
BlankGreyBlankGrey/VioletYellow (Thick)Green/YellowYellowGrey/Brown
87654321
1.51.51.51.50.750.75
Right Rear Left RearFront Right BassFront Left BassFront Right MidFront Left Mid
and Tweeterand Tweeterand Tweeterand Tweeter
 
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When I sold my unused B&W speaker set on the bay, a customer purchased the B&W center speaker I did not use. He was an inexperienced user and sought install hints. I suggested he go to an aftermarket installer for advice. He did this and they installed his center speaker with a single channel amp in the OEM position driven from an HPA output(s). Consider: Install a two channel amp and use one for the sub in the back quarter and the other channel for the center dash speaker. This will require some strategy as far as where you get your signal and "mix" L and R for the dash speaker. The sub amp I used does this as a product feature (2 into 1) for the lower frequencies. (Sony XM-GS100) Investigate Digital Signal Processors to allow you to tweak the center speaker (if used) crossovers and EQ. The Center speaker only handles mid frequencies and above. I may have said this, for my subwoofer signals I tapped the front door L and R woofer signals for the sub input. I selected the front door as it is a "woofer only" DSP signal, the amp EQs (adjustable) the signal for low frequency reproduction. For the center speaker consider the midrange L and R front door signal. See Volvo audio schematics for your model year and variant to determine the Volvo design strategy. There are changes from year to year.
 
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