2019 V60 R to 2024 V60 Polestar - What they took away - Piss Off's

Kamil · Sep 15, 2023

jpky16 said:
Agreed. As I'm getting older I'm putting a premium on comfort (but I don't want to shout about it). Hence Volvo's are very desirable to me.

What isn't desirable, is the feeling that corners are being cut. I don't know if this can be blamed on the pandemic or Geely ownership (maybe it's a combination of both).

The worst part to me is the cost savings at items you will not know unless you spend 60 hours in the car before you purchase it, or only six months later when you found out something is missing.

Once you expect certain things from the brand that were there for the last 20+ years when somethings are removed, I believe there should be a level of communication regarding what’s missing.

MA1234 · Sep 16, 2023

Ender said:
So I just dropped off my 2019 R Design of lease and decided to buy a V60 PE - like the PHEV since we only have one car and the practicality of the wagon has been great.

Overall happy with the car, and a good fit, but a few piss off's going from a 2019 to this car that is about $15k more than what I paid for the 2019 and Volvo seems to have nickel and dimed us on a number of things that are just missing, the little things matter, Volvo forgot this...

In order of piss off;

1. Drive Mode selection - like really with the Hybrid, this is even more important to be at your fingertips
2. Rear Seat Remote drop - we used this all the time, able to drop the seats from the trunk with a touch of a button, it was a great feature.
3. Dash Graphics - Really sucks, I like the Google maps but the dash layout is boring and ugly, like a first-year UI designer did it as a side project. 2019 was much nicer
4. Rear seat Center armrest storage gone - They still have the cup holder but took out the storage.

I really want to retrofit the Drive Mode and Read Seat fold-down button but the dash the only hope, is a software update...I plan on calling Volvo about this stuff, just a piss-off when you drop so much on a newer model top of the line you expect it to have more not less.

If anyone knows if these things can be retrofitted let me know...

I think 2 and 4 still exist, they just aren’t on the T8 (like the rear air con controls) because the drivetrain and electrical layout is very different. The batteries and electric motor take up a lot of space.

3 isn’t cost cutting? Just a new UI which has a lot more features. I way prefer the Google UI especially full screen map on the gauge cluster.

1 is just stupid not sure why Volvo did that.

Ender · Sep 16, 2023

MA1234 said:
I think 2 and 4 still exist, they just aren’t on the T8

3 isn’t cost-cutting? It's just a new UI which has a lot more features. I way prefer the Google UI, especially full screen map on the gauge cluster.

I really don't see how 2 and 4 have anything to do with the battery pack, its a button on the right side in the trunk and some wires for the rear seat drop, then 4 definitely doesn't, I'm talking about the REAR seats.

From a design perspective, the new UI is awful, I agree some of the functions are better, but mostly not as good as a UI.

Ender · Sep 16, 2023

Pioneer4x4 said:
Don't buy a car that isn't what you want, as it sits when you buy it. Waiting/hoping/wishing for "updates" that may or may not ever come, and if/when they do will need new updates, is not how to enjoy a car.
Now if something worked, then got removed/failed/buggy, THAT is different.

I shouldn't have to check that it has at least the same, BASE functions. Do you normally expect a newer model and higher-end version of a car in the same platform as before to have LESS features? Sorry, that doesn't fly with me, and wouldn't for any product.

Kamil · Sep 16, 2023

Ender said:
I shouldn't have to check that it has at least the same, BASE functions. Do you normally expect a newer model and higher-end version of a car in the same platform as before to have LESS features? Sorry, that doesn't fly with me, and wouldn't for any product.

Exactly how I felt,
Paid 25k more and got way less from 2020 CC to 2024 PE

DFrantz · Sep 16, 2023

Not exactly fair to call out the cost increase without mentioning the entirely different drivetrain as the primary aspect of that cost. I agree the drive mode is poorly done, and the rear seat drop was okay, though it's not hard to just reach in and give a push if you're not short, though they never worked uphill and that caused folks to think they had a problem (people are special). The rest I don't see as issues. The rear armrest storage? Really? What's that good for other then Cheerios? It was 1/2" deep. I prefer the Google dash, though I know that's just personal preference, it's hard to say that's a feature loss just because you don't like the way it looks. I find all digital dashes to be ugly cost cutting features compared to traditional gauges myself.

MA1234 · Sep 16, 2023

Ender said:
I really don't see how 2 and 4 have anything to do with the battery pack, its a button on the right side in the trunk and some wires for the rear seat drop, then 4 definitely doesn't, I'm talking about the REAR seats.

From a design perspective, the new UI is awful, I agree some of the functions are better, but mostly not as good as a UI.

Two definitely. It’s wiring in the sidewalls where battery components go. Remember there’s a whole electric motors in the back with batteries. And 4 might be just be a weight/engineering thing. The T8 Polestar has different seats. It sadly also doesn’t have ventilated seats. Again, it’s only the T8 that doesn’t have these, it’s still on the other models, so it’s not like they are cutting costs overall here.

PenguinPillowPet · Sep 16, 2023

The value really goes away when you can snag a 2020-2022 car under $40K with more options and 2-3 years of warranty left. Then, you’re at Honda and Toyota values.

DFrantz · Sep 16, 2023

PenguinPillowPet said:
The value really goes away when you can snag a 2020-2022 car under $40K with more options and 2-3 years of warranty left. Then, you’re at Honda and Toyota values.

You do lose half the range and have the much weaker EV motor on those.

PenguinPillowPet · Sep 16, 2023

DFrantz said:
You do lose half the range and have the much weaker EV motor on those.

I was referring to standard V60/V60CC, not the PE. It’s a shame there are cost cuts on the PE, especially. I might be interested in one once they depreciate down to the low 40’s (or not due to their uniqueness).

DFrantz · Sep 16, 2023

PenguinPillowPet said:
I was referring to standard V60/V60CC, not the PE. It’s a shame there are cost cuts on the PE, especially. I might be interested in one once they depreciate down to the low 40’s (or not due to their uniqueness).

Might not be a bad option. XC70 prices held high for a long time after the model went away. I don't think we have too many years left for any of the wagons sadly. But that being said, a brand new V60 CC starts at $52k. With OSD, that would be into the upper 40s.... so getting a 3 year old one for 10k less isn't bad, but it's not like they're dropping value the way a sedan does. A CPO S90 is one of the best deals in Volvo's lineup.

Pioneer4x4 · Sep 17, 2023

DFrantz said:
You do lose half the range and have the much weaker EV motor on those.

Well, not to be picky, but not quite half, and yes a weaker, but again, like 2/3 of the ERs, and they are still dang quick.
And if you get a 2020+ you can polestar them for a smidge more, right?

Kamil · Sep 17, 2023

Pioneer4x4 said:
Well, not to be picky, but not quite half, and yes a weaker, but again, like 2/3 of the ERs, and they are still dang quick.
And if you get a 2020+ you can polestar them for a smidge more, right?

You right “not quite half” but more LOL.

2020 22 miles
2022+ 50+ miles (real life)

Plus less power total. In the end with battery degradation you get 6miles in the 2020 used you get LOL JK.

I know I’m missing on some items but I would never consider 2020 model when new and especially when used with the battery degradation.

V60_P* · Sep 17, 2023

The 2020-2022 with smaller battery and minimal electric hp is almost a useless phev. It's more like a hybrid in terms of practicality. Also more complicated with the twin charge ICE motor.

DFrantz · Sep 17, 2023

Pioneer4x4 said:
Well, not to be picky, but not quite half, and yes a weaker, but again, like 2/3 of the ERs, and they are still dang quick.
And if you get a 2020+ you can polestar them for a smidge more, right?

The power difference is substantial for those looking for an EV experience. The older cars would flip over to gas with anything more than Toyota/Subaru like enthusiasm levels of driving. It also took longer to switch back over the EV. And then there is the one pedal drive element too. IMO, the newer version is hand over foot better than the earlier version. Not that everyone needs to go out and get a newer one, and if purchased more for power it may be a smaller difference (as one looking for P* may well be doing), but the difference between the two systems is huge.

JTMav · Sep 18, 2023

De-contenting has been going on for a very long time. I remember back in the 80’s Saab 9-5s slowly but surely lost features as the model evolved. Most new iteration has the plus/minus view of early adoption risk with a more featured car. Personally I’m still disappointed in the minimal adjustments options in the Bowers and Wilkins audio. I had more tweaking in my 2020 V60 Harmon Kardon. Bean counters make a lot of money for manufacturers.

thecanadaman · Sep 18, 2023

It's not so much decontenting to save money, I feel like it may have been to hold the line on pricing. Certain features that went away were ones where people didn't use them much, and others were related to the chip shortage and just not brought back specifically so the price of the car didn't have to go up. But then again, other things have been added that weren't there before either. It's a high level decision when it's done, and unfortunately not everyone is going to agree with the changes.

V60_P* · Sep 18, 2023

They should take away those stupid headlight washers to save money.

learner.seeker · Sep 18, 2023

V60_P* said:
They should take away those stupid headlight washers to save money.

Noooooo.....

awy · Sep 18, 2023

a lot of it could just be chip shortages and other supply chain issues.

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