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I purchased a xc60 plug in extended range on 4/30/22. While test driving I noticed a pressure behind the wheel and the sale rep said what I felt was the regenerative braking. I purchased the car at asking price and financed through the dealership. Also, I bought the extended warranty up to 125,000 miles or 6 years. In addition they also bought my Audi 2016 Q7 that was a reliable working automobile.
I drove the hybrid home and heard a banging noise when braking but thought it might just be the loose electric charging cables tossed in the back. 5/2 I drive the automobile to work and notice the popping sound has gotten progressively worse and can’t be the cables. I called the dealership and left a message for my sales rep. No one called me back, but at this point I’m starting to get upset as something is definitely wrong with this brand new car.

That same day I call my local Volvo dealership (not where I bought the car). They can get me in later that day (first available) on 5/2. I bring the car in and they think maybe it’s a lose nut and throw the car up on the lift and tighten everything. That same night before the service department closes I call them and let them know it’s not resolved. Made the sounds I was complaining about as I drove it home. They said bring back in morning.

5/3 I bring the car back to Volvo and tell them not only is the noise worse now that there is a grinding sound when the car decelerates. They don’t get back to me till the end of day to tell me they’ve been trying to figure out problem with Volvo. To give them another day and they will let me know an updated situation then. On 5/4 they tell me it’s best to take the car back to the dealership I bought it. That it needs a new erad and the part is back ordered with no eta on availability. They advise me not to drive the car other than directly back to original dealership (2 hours away) as it’s not really drivable with the broken erad. Could do more damage to the car should something break off etc. I finally got a hold of the original dealship after I called multiple time and told the receptionist I’d be holding for the gm and not to bother putting me to voicemail again. That gm promised me a loaner (something my local couldn’t offer). That same day -now afternoon I get the loaner and provide them with the car.

The original dealership tells me they need to do their own diagnostic. I’m like really because it was my understand that the case was already opened through Volvo. The gm offered to put me into another ev but it was going to cost me $9,000 more for another xc60. As the only other automobile was an r design ($6500 more) and he could only sell me a car on lot. It didn’t fit my lifestyle as it was cloth plus leather interior seating. I have a child, dogs, and live in Florida. Let’s just say it’s not ideal, but to be out of this mess I was willing to pay a bit more but the sticker price more. After two hours of waiting on finance the dealership was going to charge me all over again for tax, tag, title, dealer fees, and shipping etc. I don’t mind paying the higher msrp and tax, but why should after being sold an unusable/damaged automobile be the one to incur those additional costs again?! Like three thousand dollars more above the sticker price! Oh and that was after my A-plan discount applied again and finance incentive. I left upset that they would take advantage of the situation like that. The car didn’t break after I drove it off the lot the car. It was clearly problematic before I took possession. I was mislead and sold an unusable and unsafe brand new Volvo. On 5/5 the general manager calls me to tell me yeah they concluded the car needs a new erad too. Unfortunately, they can’t secure the part but, are asking to escalate the situation with the factory since the car is undrivable.

I called Volvo directly on (5/6) to follow up with my case and the customer advocate said they were still waiting on a diagnostic. Which I find strange since now two different Volvo dealership have cases and agreed on the identified problem. I explained I’m paying a loan on a brand new automobile that I owned for less than 24 hours before bringing to a Volvo service department. I’m in a rental not equivalent to my new car. More importantly no one can tell me when it will be fixed. I’m sorry but, this is not right. She said she’d add this to the notes. I guess I’ll just have to follow up every few days.

So, my question is if Volvo offers to buy back or put me into another automobile shouldn’t they cover those new dealerships fees, title, tag etc…
 
I purchased a xc60 plug in extended range on 4/30/22. While test driving I noticed a pressure behind the wheel and the sale rep said what I felt was the regenerative braking. I purchased the car at asking price and financed through the dealership. Also, I bought the extended warranty up to 125,000 miles or 6 years. In addition they also bought my Audi 2016 Q7 that was a reliable working automobile.
I drove the hybrid home and heard a banging noise when braking but thought it might just be the loose electric charging cables tossed in the back. 5/2 I drive the automobile to work and notice the popping sound has gotten progressively worse and can’t be the cables. I called the dealership and left a message for my sales rep. No one called me back, but at this point I’m starting to get upset as something is definitely wrong with this brand new car.

That same day I call my local Volvo dealership (not where I bought the car). They can get me in later that day (first available) on 5/2. I bring the car in and they think maybe it’s a lose nut and throw the car up on the lift and tighten everything. That same night before the service department closes I call them and let them know it’s not resolved. Made the sounds I was complaining about as I drove it home. They said bring back in morning.

5/3 I bring the car back to Volvo and tell them not only is the noise worse now that there is a grinding sound when the car decelerates. They don’t get back to me till the end of day to tell me they’ve been trying to figure out problem with Volvo. To give them another day and they will let me know an updated situation then. On 5/4 they tell me it’s best to take the car back to the dealership I bought it. That it needs a new erad and the part is back ordered with no eta on availability. They advise me not to drive the car other than directly back to original dealership (2 hours away) as it’s not really drivable with the broken erad. Could do more damage to the car should something break off etc. I finally got a hold of the original dealship after I called multiple time and told the receptionist I’d be holding for the gm and not to bother putting me to voicemail again. That gm promised me a loaner (something my local couldn’t offer). That same day -now afternoon I get the loaner and provide them with the car.

The original dealership tells me they need to do their own diagnostic. I’m like really because it was my understand that the case was already opened through Volvo. The gm offered to put me into another ev but it was going to cost me $9,000 more for another xc60. As the only other automobile was an r design ($4500 more) and he could only sell me a car on lot. It didn’t fit my lifestyle as it was cloth plus leather interior seating. I have a child, dogs, and live in Florida. Let’s just say it’s not ideal, but to be out of this mess I was willing to pay a bit more but the sticker price more. After two hours of waiting on finance the dealership was going to charge me all over again for tax, tag, title, dealer fees, and shipping etc. I don’t mind paying the higher msrp and tax, but why should after being sold an unusable/damaged automobile be the one to incur those additional costs again?! Like five thousand dollars more above the sticker price! I left upset that they would take advantage of the situation like that. The car didn’t break after I drove it off the lot the car. It was clearly problematic before I took possession. I was mislead and sold an unusable and unsafe brand new Volvo. On 5/5 the general manager calls me to tell me yeah they concluded the car needs a new erad too. Unfortunately, they can’t secure the part but, are asking to escalate the situation with the factory since the car is undrivable.

I called Volvo directly on (5/6) to follow up with my case and the customer advocate said they were still waiting on a diagnostic. Which I find strange since now two different Volvo dealership have cases and agreed on the identified problem. I explained I’m paying a loan on a brand new automobile that I owned for less than 24 hours before bringing to a Volvo service department. I’m in a rental not equivalent to my new car. More importantly no one can tell me when it will be fixed. I’m sorry but, this is not right. She said she’d add this to the notes. I guess I’ll just have to follow up every few days.

So, my question is if Volvo offers to buy back or put me into another automobile shouldn’t they cover those new dealerships fees, title, tag etc…
Short answer is yes. That should be covered on a comparable car. The MSRP for a different trim will be hard to argue though.

Long story is I think you should just do a buy back and get all the money back you've already paid and go elsewhere. Volvo seems to be going backwards in reliability, especially with the 2022+ models. The blame is on shortages, even though it seems the shortages occured much earlier than Volvo producing the cars such as yours. Volvo needed sales and started selling cars that seem subpar. Volvo sold cars without BLIS and Apple Carplay for example. That is ridiculous and unacceptable. The ERAD issues have occured since the 2016 T8 SPA'S hit the market. Again, totally unacceptable.

If the GM gives you hassle, just get an attorney involved with consumer protection and have them on standby after a consult. Things will get moving at that point.



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I understood paying more for the trim of course. What I didn’t want to pay was all the duplicate fees to be jumped to another automobile.
Absolutely. They should be making you whole. That means a working car of the same value at no additional cost to you. If the car is an upgrade then it’s fair for you to pay the difference.

That is the absolute MINIMUM you should expect. Honestly they should just shove you in a free loaner until this is sorted out.


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I understood paying more for the trim of course. What I didn’t want to pay was all the duplicate fees to be jumped to another automobile.
The unfortunate thing is a comparable new car will have the same parts produced during the same alleged "shortages" that all problems keep getting blamed on. I recommend breaking even with Volvo taking the car back and you looking elsewhere.

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I purchased a xc60 plug in extended range on 4/30/22. While test driving I noticed a pressure behind the wheel and the sale rep said what I felt was the regenerative braking. I purchased the car at asking price and financed through the dealership. Also, I bought the extended warranty up to 125,000 miles or 6 years. In addition they also bought my Audi 2016 Q7 that was a reliable working automobile.
Ya, that seems to be a common trend around here.
If you do a little research, you'll find at least a few others who've made the change to Volvo, but after similar experiences as yours end up going back to Audi, MB etc. Problems also with backorders on parts, insufficient dealership coverage for issues etc.


Sorry to hear of your issues. Hope they are resolved as cheaply and quickly as possible.
Also, have you considered getting your old Audi back? the dealership might still have it and be willing to return it to you.
 
Usually, when a car is repurchased under lemon law, they pay you whatever you paid for the car, which includes tax, license and registration minus depreciation. You can retain a lemon law attorney if you feel you need guidance. However, once you hire one, everything has to go thru said lawyer.

I am currently driving a Volvo C40 because JLR repurchased my Jaguar I-PACE.
 
Usually, when a car is repurchased under lemon law, they pay you whatever you paid for the car, which includes tax, license and registration minus depreciation. You can retain a lemon law attorney if you feel you need guidance. However, once you hire one, everything has to go thru said lawyer.

I am currently driving a Volvo C40 because JLR repurchased my Jaguar I-PACE.
Volvo is on the hook for all taxes, title, licensing fees, and Attorney fees less deductions for mileage and damage.

I understood paying more for the trim of course. What I didn’t want to pay was all the duplicate fees to be jumped to another automobile.
1. Choice #1 contact Volvo executive team and see if Volvo will do a buyback and put you into a nicer trim / vehicle at no charge. I can help you write up an email.

2. Choice #2 Get a consumer attorney, file lemon law claim, walk away whole from this ordeal.
 
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Thanks. I will take that advice and reach out to the Executive team. I was trying to avoid getting an attorney but that might be necessary the longer they draw out this process. As Volvo claims rep just let me know today that the department that handles these types of claims doesn’t work weekends. That I’ll need to wait an additional week or so for the diagnostic to even update in their records and it’s a “slow” process in reviewing. As for deprecation it will be minimal since we’re talking only about a car with like four hundred miles (driven between dealerships). Let’s just say I didn’t even refill the tank while in my possession. I feel like I’m being held hostage in this entire situation. This sounds like something that should of be resolved between the dealship and volvo and not myself. As they didn’t sell me a safe drivable car. It’s not like it broke after I took it home it was acting up on the test drive.
 
There are several factors at play here, and part of it will depend on the dealership you're working with, though frankly so far they're doing everything right from what I read in your story.

First, you're absolutely right to expect a new car to work. Sometimes that doesn't happen unfortunately. I don't expect an attorney to be needed, but expecting it to happen lightning fast (with or without one) is unrealistic in the current market. I think it is realistic to get some help from Volvo on this though, but here is a breakdown of the situation from the dealer side.

It's absolutely true that a dealership can not force another dealer to give them a car, and with many places selling cars for over MSRP, another dealer is going to have zero interest in giving up a hot vehicle like a PHEV Volvo right now. The R design isn't the most popular of the lineup, so getting a dealer to take that in exchange for another might be a tough sell too. That's just the facts of inventory. I'm 100% sold out of all PHEV cars for the 2022 model year at my dealer.

Inventory has folks forced into other dealers than normal, and unfortunately that doesn't help. The dealer you bought it from knows they aren't going to have you as a customer, either for service, or likely for future business. So there is little customer retention value for them to factor in. Frankly, they made there bit selling the car. They'll make some on the repair from Volvo. But they didn't break the car, and they didn't make the car, so there isn't much there. I don't see a reason for the sales person to think the feeling you had was anything different than regen break. It's hard to knw what a customer is feeling, and heck, maybe at that point, that's really all it was? But it doesn't make sense for them to sell another car at a discount to what they can sell it to someone else for. If you trade in the car with another brand that's fine with them, if you trade it in with them, that's fine too. But then they can't resell your old car until it's fixed with a backordered part, and they want to make what they will otherwise (and this is where Volvo will come in potentially). But there really isn't a business argument to do much unfortunately. And they are giving you a loaner which is great.

Volvo as a brand is actually the best I've ever worked with when it comes to fixing these situations. They generally help to make things right. I've seen everything from them making a payment or two based on repair times, to helping offset the cost of a new car, etc. I've never seen one of our customers not feel satisfied by what between us as a dealer and Volvo's contribution to switch cars with someone without using attorneys or lemon law. I started selling cars in 2008, and actually never had a customer fully go through lemon law, it's always been fixed through other avenues. So that part is good.

But nothing to feel "hostage" over at all. They've got you a loaner car, they'll work on your case. It's out of everyone's controls that the part isn't available. It sucks, 100%. But other than your car, it sounds to me like everything is working the way it should. I know it's frustraighting, but patience is going to be your friend for your own sake... expecting an instant fix simply is unrealistic. Volvo very well may authorize a buyback or something too. But again, they're just getting their heads wrapped around the situation too. Volvo just got the scoop really on Thursday, not every repair gets escalated though the system.
 
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Again, I’d like to point out I never asked for the higher trim to be paid for by the dealership. I was 100% willing to pay that. What I wasn’t okay with was repaying to close the deal. Transfer Fees for title, tag, dealer fees, delivery charges. We’re talking several thousand additional dollars that were unrelated to the msrp. I disagreee with being the one to cover fees I paid several days ago. I also completely disagree with saying the dealer is doing everything right. They should refund my money entirely. Especially since I test drove the car with a representative from their dealership that told me a problem was normal that clearly was not. I was mislead to purchase a new automobile that had an existing issue that leads it to be undrivable. If they could provide an estimate of when the part would be available I’d be less upset but to tell me sorry no end in sight isn’t acceptable. They can’t say it will be a month or several as this specific part has no estimated date for being back in stock. In addition they have closed out all new 2022 orders for this year.
 
Again, I’d like to point out I never asked for the higher trim to be paid for by the dealership. I was 100% willing to pay that. What I wasn’t okay with was repaying to close the deal. Transfer Fees for title, tag, dealer fees, delivery charges. We’re talking several thousand additional dollars that were unrelated to the msrp. I disagreee with being the one to cover fees I paid several days ago. I also completely disagree with saying the dealer is doing everything right. They should refund my money entirely. Especially since I test drove the car with a representative from their dealership that told me a problem was normal that clearly was not. I was mislead to purchase a new automobile that had an existing issue that leads it to be undrivable. If they could provide an estimate of when the part would be available I’d be less upset but to tell me sorry no end in sight isn’t acceptable. They can’t say it will be a month or several as this specific part has no estimated date for being back in stock. In addition they have closed out all new 2022 orders for this year.
I'll shoot you a message later today with guidance and a template for contacting executives.

Are you wanting your money back or are you wanting to get into a different vehicle?
 
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Thank you for your assistance. I’m open to either but if I’m going to have to incur fees again I’d rather change brands or at least have the options of changing volvo dealerships bases on available inventory.
 
Well again, we can't know for sure that what you felt at the time wasn't normal... after all, there are some different feelings with driving these, adn other than to note it wasn't normal to you, doesn't mean it wasn't characteristic to the car. You'd have to drive another similar one and see if it doesn't give the same feel. And maybe it was evident at the time of sale, but at this point, I don't know that we know that. I personally am not sure what "pressure behind the wheel" means, but there are lots of correct feeling things that could possibly be described like that. Frankly, the first problem was probably the clanking noise when backing out after you left and the pressure you felt was okay. I don't know for sure, but neither do you at this point, so it's dangerous to make the assumption one way or the other until evidence is better understood.

It's important to recognize that the dealer is not Volvo. The dealer doesn't deserve to lose money on that car any more than you deserve to have it broken. The dealer is equipped to help make it right, but they didn't build the car, and to the best of their knowledge, it was working fine. If the dealer just gives you your money back, not only do they not get the sale with you, but now they have the sales tax and state fees on top (and lets say we're okay with them absorbing the dealer fees and cost)... thats still thousands of dollars more... and now they have a used car that they can't sell for a while. That's a huge loss, for something that isn't the dealers fault at all. Again, this is where Volvo would need to step in, and they just found out about the problem of Thursday.
 
Sales tax is absolutely refunded (via adjustment to future sales tax filings) to retailers when an item is returned.
You can't just "return" a car. If it's been titled, it's owned. Once the title work is processed by the state it's owned (and sometimes it is pretty fast, we do all our title work online now).


The pressure behind the wheel was while braking. I test drove the r design when they offered to sell me another car and it didn’t have that same resistance. Also, the pressure while braking is tied absolutely to the erad.
Maybe so. I'm still not sure what "pressure behind the wheel" means.. not that it matters if I understand it or not. But that description doesn't make sense to me, and I've been in the industry a long time. Hard to say it's "absolutely" tied to anything, but yeah, if you didn't feel it at all on the others, then there is certainly a chance it's connected.

But it's still not a fast process, and there isn't really a way to make it fast.
 
You can't just "return" a car. If it's been titled, it's owned. Once the title work is processed by the state it's owned (and sometimes it is pretty fast, we do all our title work online now).




Maybe so. I'm still not sure what "pressure behind the wheel" means.. not that it matters if I understand it or not. But that description doesn't make sense to me, and I've been in the industry a long time. Hard to say it's "absolutely" tied to anything, but yeah, if you didn't feel it at all on the others, then there is certainly a chance it's connected.

But it's still not a fast process, and there isn't really a way to make it fast.
As I found out with my former 2020 the dealer took back, a dealer could CPO the lightly "used" vehicle with the bare minimum CPO. Thus increasing the sale price to lighten any potential losses. If they have an easy customer, sell them an increased length CPO, paint protection, tire protection, etc, whatever they fall for, then I'd be surprised if the dealer suffered any loss on the bottom line.

I know the dealer may not be the one to necessarily blame here. But the dealer made the money and the customer doesn't have the car they paid for. A loaner is a bandaid for a gaping wound. A loaner is an expectation when maintenance is being done. It's not a compliment when your new car breaks down before 500 miles with no fix in sight.

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Thank you for your assistance. I’m open to either but if I’m going to have to incur fees again I’d rather change brands or at least have the options of changing volvo dealerships bases on available inventory.
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