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Loving my new 2017 S60, but man the headlights feel dim when driving at night in the country or in darker areas.

I know that is a common compliant with my car and I am not sure which direction to go. I love the idea of LED's, but am concerned about the ice/snow not melting off the headlights and blinding other drivers.

Looking at something like this.

Any feedback is welcomed!
 
Assuming you have halogen headlights, I'd scour eBay for factory xenons before spending $129 on those. It'll cost you more up front, as well as might take a while to find a good deal, but the light output on them is great. If you are patient, you can likely pick up a set for around $500 (might have to buy one, then wait and buy the other).

Most aftermarket LED equipped vehicles I come across (primarily trucks with LED light bars, LED headlights and any other LED they can throw on there) seem to light up about 3 feet in front of the vehicle they are attached to and are insanely blinding to other drivers.

The factory xenons work really well on the P3 Volvo, they will also modernize the look of your car a little as a bonus.
 
I'm curious about those Lumen LED's you linked as well for my V60cc. After extensive research on fitting LED's in halogen housings, I decided to try another halogen lamp before LED: Hella 2.0 H11's from FCP. While they're closer to "white" on the spectrum, they don't provide much better lighting or distance than stock Osram's. My brother in law has aftermarket LED's in his XC60 but in my opinion they're noticeably not designed for a halogen reflector, wide-unfocused dispersion.
 
Assuming you have halogen headlights, I'd scour eBay for factory xenons before spending $129 on those. It'll cost you more up front, as well as might take a while to find a good deal, but the light output on them is great. If you are patient, you can likely pick up a set for around $500 (might have to buy one, then wait and buy the other).

Most aftermarket LED equipped vehicles I come across (primarily trucks with LED light bars, LED headlights and any other LED they can throw on there) seem to light up about 3 feet in front of the vehicle they are attached to and are insanely blinding to other drivers.

The factory xenons work really well on the P3 Volvo, they will also modernize the look of your car a little as a bonus.
From what I've read swapping Xenon housings is not plug & play with halogen equipped P3's, am I misinformed?
 
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Yep, the car currently has the halogens, which look yellow-ish.
 
From what I've read swapping Xenon housings is not plug & play with halogen equipped P3's, am I misinformed?
I've not done it myself (mine had xenon from the factory) from what I understand the hardware swap itself is plug and play, but you then need to use VIDA to program the car to recognize it has xenon instead of halogen headlights.
 
Posted this in a thread here a couple of days ago, so I'll repost here.

Yes, you have halogen reflectors, making putting an LED in them even more of a bad proposition.

1) Make sure the lamps are aimed properly. I've seen so many misaligned vehicles (lights aimed too low).

2) You can buy Sliverstar Ultras and the like. You'll see a brighter, whiter light. Of course the trade off is bulb life, but that's expected with overdriven bulbs.

3) Look to do an HID headlamp assembly retrofit. It's not very difficult, but will need a DICE unit and a laptop to use VDASH to change the lamps. I forget what else could be involved, as I've only read about it here and have not done it myself. You of course will have to find a set of good assemblies somewhere or buy new from Volvo.

4) Last resort, you could always have a retrofitter install some aftermarket HID projectors in your housings. You will need to send your housings though, so that proposition is always difficult. I used to do a lot of retrofitting in the past, but I did it on easier to open assemblies (those sealed with butyl rubber). The Volvo housings have a much more permanent elastomer (some call it Permaseal) that is a bit beyond my pay grade (more so my tools). The pros deal with it better though. You can get much, much better output with some of the aftermarket HID projectors than the Valeo HID projectors in our cars, and miles better than any standard halogen filament reflector/projector.

Last point I generally like to make to those who feel the housings don't do a good service: Get on a road at night in a dark area and turn your headlamps off. You'll see how much the headlamps actually do for you. ;)
Bottom line is: sticking another bulb in there isn't magically going to change the way the light projects forward, and in nearly all cases will make the output far worse due to the light source. Many folks look to the illusion of increased foreground lighting from LED's and rebased HID capsules and think that the output is better, only to be making their vision worse at night.
 
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Posted this in a thread here a couple of days ago, so I'll repost here.



Bottom line is: sticking another bulb in there isn't magically going to change the way the light projects forward, and in nearly all cases will make the output far worse due to the light source. Many folks look to the illusion of increased foreground lighting from LED's and rebased HID capsules and think that the output is better, only to be making their vision worse at night.
Thanks for the response. Great info!
 
Personally, if I had halogens and couldn't find OE HID housings, I'd be looking into retrofitting either one of these:

HID:

LED:

I played around with the first generation Mini D2S, a long long time ago, it was a solid aftermarket projector. I then had an HIDPlanet forum member "curved shield" mod a set of OE-sourced STi projectors, which were amazing... I'll have to dig a picture out later of that setup.
 
This was my last car's (2010 WRX) headlamp retrofit: OE STi projectors (they swapped directly in place of the halogen projector), TSX-R clear lenses from The Retrofit Source, Philips 85122+ bulbs and Matsu****a Gen V ballasts. The curved shields were made by greenkouki. I miss those headlamps. The width! :cool:
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That output looks incredible.

TSX-R clear lenses from The Retrofit Source, Philips 85122+ bulbs and Matsu****a Gen V ballasts.
IIRC those TSX-R lenses were one of the upgrades people were doing to the B7 Audi platform as well, I know for a time I debated retrofitting a set of projectors and such into my OEM halogens (coming from a Maxima with xenons, to the Audi with halogen was a downgrade), but in the end I came across a good deal on factory xenons so grabbed those instead. Much less work and hugely decreased risk of me breaking a set of halogen headlights.
 
To elaborate on OEM HID swap the answer is NO. It's not plug and play. It's plug and be disappointed.
I tried it myself and never got it to work. It was too dim even with new bulbs. Then one side would turn off after a few minutes and so on.
It needs programming with Vida and there is a thread about that as mentioned above. It was not worth it for me to dive into it since I don't do too much night driving.
So if you want to go that rout be prepared.
 
That output looks incredible.



IIRC those TSX-R lenses were one of the upgrades people were doing to the B7 Audi platform as well, I know for a time I debated retrofitting a set of projectors and such into my OEM halogens (coming from a Maxima with xenons, to the Audi with halogen was a downgrade), but in the end I came across a good deal on factory xenons so grabbed those instead. Much less work and hugely decreased risk of me breaking a set of halogen headlights.
Yeah, that first time trepidation of putting a set of $700 headlamps in the oven and straddling the line of softening butyl rubber vs. softening PP housing materials... it was a bit of a "what am I getting myself into?" moment. But then I was doing it all the time. My wife just shook her head with a loving smile every time when I came in with the bumper to my car (mind you this was in my old apartment four flights up the stairs) and threw headlamps in the oven.

Speaking of halogens, some of the best projectors I've seen have been halogen. These were Ford Fusion fog lamp projectors, which were the craze for a while back early 2010's. I fabbed a custom bracket to run them in my WRX. They had some of the widest throw I've seen and the color shift on the cutoff was very unique; instead of the indigo/violet diffraction, you got a very different cyan/red pattern.

Point of the story here is that there are some really great halogen projectors, along with some really great HID projectors. Unfortunately, there are also some really marginal projectors (like the Valeo models in our cars). Throwing a higher output bulb doesn't translate to better results in the latter scenario.

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