A couple of years ago I asked about availability of rubber-and-steel seals for rear vent windows on 2-door Amazons, and nothing was on the market. Any progress since then? Also, if I go with the fixed windows, for which seals are available, do they use the same glass as the hinged vents? I have extra vent windows and could take the glass out the metal frames. Has anyone done that? Thanks in advance for any advice.
Rear vent window seals for 2D Amazon?
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A couple of years ago I asked about availability of rubber-and-steel seals for rear vent windows on 2-door Amazons, and nothing was on the market. Any progress since then? Also, if I go with the fixed windows, for which seals are available, do they use the same glass as the hinged vents? I have extra vent windows and could take the glass out the metal frames. Has anyone done that? Thanks in advance for any advice.
Charles;
Maybe a look into the gcp.se exploded assembly diagrams with PN list will help...also, the most recent TSG episode dealt with among other things, rear windows...maybe you can get some useful info out of there...I do remember him saying the gasket holding glass into frame was a "standard gasket"...
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Maybe a look into the gcp.se exploded assembly diagrams with PN list will help...also, the most recent TSG episode dealt with among other things, rear windows...maybe you can get some useful info out of there...I do remember him saying the gasket holding glass into frame was a "standard gasket"...
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Part numbers- 659137 and 659138. (i'm not proud to note that I know that number off of the top of my head- I have been in your shoes).
From what I understand, the 2 reasons that they are not available is because it was more of a US option (pop out rear windows), where the "favorite", as the Euro 122 version was sometimes called, did not have the pop out windows. It was a US thing- so I have been told.
Two, you may notice that they are not just rubber, but they have a steel frame. I once tried to call a place here in the northeast to see if I could get them to make several pairs- "Steel Rubber"? I do not recall their name now. So that second reason you don't find easily is that they are not cheap to remaufacture. That may change some day.
I have an extra set (almost new) that I plan to use on my own car. What's on my car I would rate about a 4 or 5 out of 10. I wont need those at some point, but if you keep an eagle eye out there, they may eventually show up.
From what I understand, the 2 reasons that they are not available is because it was more of a US option (pop out rear windows), where the "favorite", as the Euro 122 version was sometimes called, did not have the pop out windows. It was a US thing- so I have been told.
Two, you may notice that they are not just rubber, but they have a steel frame. I once tried to call a place here in the northeast to see if I could get them to make several pairs- "Steel Rubber"? I do not recall their name now. So that second reason you don't find easily is that they are not cheap to remaufacture. That may change some day.
I have an extra set (almost new) that I plan to use on my own car. What's on my car I would rate about a 4 or 5 out of 10. I wont need those at some point, but if you keep an eagle eye out there, they may eventually show up.
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The Favorite Amazon was a lower cost decontented 2 door version made available in Scandinavia (and possibly ROW) toward the end of production.
The vast majority of 2 door Amazons, here and ROW, used pop-out rear windows with the NLA seals.
It's more likely because it's quite a complicated process to pull off.
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- I have a friend with a similar vintage Alfa Romeo (I believe a GTV). He was in the same situation as noted- His car has the same or similar style steel rubber pop out windows, and seals, in the rear. And his seals are sun dried and cracked. That's also a NLA part for him. He says that there are many other makes, or marks, that also share this same situation with a rare steel rubber seal.
- I think that instead of "complcated", it's more of the market demand to fill with the set up cost. Such steel rubber seals are remanufactured for other more common US makes- www.steelerubber.com The process is out there.
Gibbsart, I imagine for now finding a wreck, someone with a forgotten pair on the shelf (estate find), or a rusty New England clam bucket coupe (economically too far gone to weld back together) may be your sources, when that manifests. That is how I luckily found what I have. It's a slim chance I have two pairs. But I'll make a note to look again.
- I think that instead of "complcated", it's more of the market demand to fill with the set up cost. Such steel rubber seals are remanufactured for other more common US makes- www.steelerubber.com The process is out there.
Gibbsart, I imagine for now finding a wreck, someone with a forgotten pair on the shelf (estate find), or a rusty New England clam bucket coupe (economically too far gone to weld back together) may be your sources, when that manifests. That is how I luckily found what I have. It's a slim chance I have two pairs. But I'll make a note to look again.
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The good news there is that I don't think any of the glass on these cars is tempered. So if the glass does not work but is too big, a glass shop should be able to grind the windows down to fit.
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I have been giving this issue some thought for some time now as mine are in terrible condition and leak any time water is present. What I've been considering, pulling from my experience in the automotive industry, is that there are many other OEs that use material that is similar in construction to our OE quarter window seals. It will just take time and trial and error to get a satisfactory result. The metal inner structure is most likely designed to clamp or pinch on to the pinch weld around the perimeter of the window as has been common practice for decades in auto manufacturing. I go out to my local pick and pull from time to time and I know that eventually I'll find something comparable. I was actually looking at the seal on my wife's Tahoe rear hatch the weekend, unfortunately I don't have an example of a Volvo seal to use as a comparison cross section.
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After reading this thread I checked my rear, pop-out windows. There is a gap on the passenger side window. Without removing the window I measured it with a straight edge. It appears the window/frame assembly is warped. Going from front to rear, the last 10 or so inches of the assembly bows out from the body. This results in a gap that is 1/8 to 3/16 inch at the very rear of the window. Enough for water leakage. Is this normal? Is the seal supposed to accommodate this curve or is the window assembly warped?
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As I may have noted, those seals have a steel frame inside the rubber seal. I do not know this for sure, but unless you know the history there (with the seals, or the car), it is possible that the internal metal frame of the seal is bent enough to cause the gap that you note (?). I do not know that for sure. (Yes, your car could be bent). These seals are not as hard to remove as you might think. You could pull one and take a look. I've removed them before.
Second, another consideration,...I think...I think (and I am not near my car to confirm my assumption) ...that on that pop out latch, there may be a tension adjustment- tighter or looser (?), somewhere. Have a look. An adjustment might make a tighter fit (seal) for you. That is a consideration not necessarily based upon factual, or corroborated experience. I do know that those internal frame seals can get bent. That may or may not be your issue.
Second, another consideration,...I think...I think (and I am not near my car to confirm my assumption) ...that on that pop out latch, there may be a tension adjustment- tighter or looser (?), somewhere. Have a look. An adjustment might make a tighter fit (seal) for you. That is a consideration not necessarily based upon factual, or corroborated experience. I do know that those internal frame seals can get bent. That may or may not be your issue.
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There's no adjustment on the latch, but you could make it close tighter by placing shims under it where it mounts to the C pillar.
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Seems either the window frame around the glass or the car frame is warped. I doubt it is the window or the glass would crack. Either way, I used some backer rod which should block most or all water infiltration. I never open them anyway so it is no great loss. I just want to prevent water infiltration to avoid mold, rust, etc.
Thanks.
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Did it work in the end?
I'm looking to remove the chrome off my 'pop out style' glass and use the fixed style rubber.
I couldn't find any information whether they are the same glass just with a chrome trim on.
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I think that the logical answer (unconfirmed) is yes, they are the same (glass). I do not think Volvo would have gone to the trouble to make two different pieces of glass. As I have been told by a party in South Carolina, the pop outs are more of a "US" feature, and less seen in Europe (?)- that was the answer for not having the steel rubber seals for the pop out style window- 659137 and 659138.
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Would Steele Rubber help? They seem to have a lot of weatherstrip products in their catalog. They do not list Volvo in their drop down list but they may have something that can be used. (No affiliation to this company.)
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